Official Lance Armstrong Thread **READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING**

[spetsa]

Polish you shouldn't feed into all the prison stuff. He has not even been charged with a crime. He has no history of drug use at work and his job tested him for 20 years. He was tested before,during and after work and by different authorities before getting paid. He was not paid by an outside sponsor, and he left with the check in question. He got into a petty feud with the only other famous racer from the home country, the involved parties discussed and concluded that he would be the single direction for a marketing dept of the major bike company in the US.

Armstrong is after all partially human so if he made mistakes he may face penalties both personally and legally. I think any way you calculate it, 20+2 year investigation he has had 22 years of history as a well above average citizen.
No judge is going to pitch the pitchman for a feel good organization for being guilty of following rules of a sport and culture that Americans and the US legal system know anything about

Please inform those of us whom actually participated in this sport you speak of, which rules we (I) obviously were unaware of. I must not have gotten that memo.

 

[Velodude]

Velodude, the Multiple Indictment Myth and Prison Myth and Prison Boyfriend Myth all fall under definition #2 - "A popular belief or story that has become associated with a person"

And those Myths are real?

As real as the monkeys flying out of my sphlincter lol.
Oh wait...what?.....geez....oh nevermind. Just gas. A fart.
But it did sound like a drumroll. Ominous?

Myths are not real, Polish.

Heard of Greek myths? Myths relate to the exploits of an individual - "associated with a person".

The Greek myth I would associate with wonderboy is the myth of Narcissus.

Millions of persons have been incarcerated throughout the world with many having a boyfriend or girlfriend of the same gender. The current existence, reality and plurality rules out the application as a historical myth.

 

[BroDeal]

People at Slowtwitch are saying that Armstrong is testing at a wind tunnel. Sounds like he is preparing to dope his way to a triathlon win.

 

[fatandfast]

It is a mistake to think that Armstrong has created his own supernatural hero. That hero was created more by the people who are trying to sell things using the Armstrong myth that they created. Things like magazines, books, bikes, nutrition.

Should Armstrong's myth become sufficiently deflated, those mythmakers will create another myth out of another "superhero". It's called advertising, and it's real too.

every culture has it's sports hero that takes on a larger than life existence. To blame it all on the marketeers is to heavy. Millions of people digested the Armstrong story and pushed away from the table and will return to consume cycling again when another story comes along. Unless Saul Rasin rises again or Levi chases down the people who robbed his house we are in for a long sleepy period.

Some of the items you mentioned are combo issues. Armstrong not anybody else wanted to sell things. He enjoys seeing his name and likeness used to advertise. His eager attitude to pose for the camera is what more than half these posts are about. The essence of conceded is what people can't stand. Double edged sword it serves him well in sport and burdens him when not competing.
If you need an example of a fizzled myth look at this months Outside Magazine. No not Lance but a hurdles sprinter, who's great look and back story from penniless,homeless,foster homes,ect,ect looked like dust to glory. Then she tripped and fell.The companies pulled out before she hit the ground

 

[Velodude]

It is a mistake to think that Armstrong has created his own supernatural hero. That hero was created more by the people who are trying to sell things using the Armstrong myth that they created. Things like magazines, books, bikes, nutrition.

Should Armstrong's myth become sufficiently deflated, those mythmakers will create another myth out of another "superhero". It's called advertising, and it's real too.

Obviously you have either not read the Armstrong biographies or you have problems with retention.

"Its Not About the Bike: My Journey Back to Life"
"Every Second Counts"
"Comeback 2.0: Up Close and Personal"

 

[Polish]

Myths are not real, Polish.

Heard of Greek myths? Myths relate to the exploits of an individual - "associated with a person".

The Greek myth I would associate with wonderboy is the myth of Narcissus.

Millions of persons have been incarcerated throughout the world with many having a boyfriend or girlfriend of the same gender. The current existence, reality and plurality rules out the application as a historical myth.

Who said Myths are real? Not me.

Myth of Multiple Indictments is not real.
But Lance is real.
Not Mythcal like Narcissus.
Not Mythical like the Multiple Indictments.

We are saying the same thing.
Wind Tunnels are Real.
Training Harder is Real.
Lazer-Like Focus is Real.
Facts. Documentred. Real.
Not Myths

 

[Benotti69]

<snip>

But Lance is real.

<snip>

Facts. Documentred. Real.

<snip>

Real Lance, real facts, real doper, real cheat, real fraud, real bribery.......

 

[skippy]

Imagine that you are on a broadband that delivers CNF at 16bits/sec , and your computer takes 5+ mins to load each page of the “ Official lance “ thread and you are trying to catch up with 5 or 6 pages of comments ! Additionally the Microsoft works page is doing a number as you prepare the comment !

How many of you would then be so fed up to see that all that was in the thread was a lot of stuff that a “ self respecting moderator ” would have called time on long , long ago !

“ Francois the postman ” gave up a lot of his time about a month ago and asked , no warned , that he expected better . Perhaps he realised that you were all a little short on intelligence or respect and has given up !

YOU PEOPLE deserve all that is coming to you ! Nearing 1million views on this thread and it seems that it is a minority that exists or thrives on insulting each other .

YES I could stay away but why should people like myself be bullied by the “ cowardly behaviour ” of people that when met in real life would not merit the time of day !

It has been said that only lunatics visit this “asylum ” , and I would agree that I am perhaps no better than any of you , but it is long overdue for the MODERATORS to take control and enforce what Francois promised as a “ Christmas Present ” , sensible , entertaining , relevant and worthwhile comments .

If the moderators are unable to wrest control then they should lock out this thread !

Put in the wrong password and took another 8 mins to post ! Do you think you people are worth the hour i lost tonight ?

 

[MacRoadie]

Imagine that you are on a broadband that delivers CNF at 16bits/sec , and your computer takes 5+ mins to load each page of the “ Official lance “ thread and you are trying to catch up with 5 or 6 pages of comments ! Additionally the Microsoft works page is doing a number as you prepare the comment !

How many of you would then be so fed up to see that all that was in the thread was a lot of stuff that a “ self respecting moderator ” would have called time on long , long ago !

“ Francois the postman ” gave up a lot of his time about a month ago and asked , no warned , that he expected better . Perhaps he realised that you were all a little short on intelligence or respect and has given up !

YOU PEOPLE deserve all that is coming to you ! Nearing 1million views on this thread and it seems that it is a minority that exists or thrives on insulting each other .

YES I could stay away but why should people like myself be bullied by the “ cowardly behaviour ” of people that when met in real life would not merit the time of day !

It has been said that only lunatics visit this “asylum ” , and I would agree that I am perhaps no better than any of you , but it is long overdue for the MODERATORS to take control and enforce what Francois promised as a “ Christmas Present ” , sensible , entertaining , relevant and worthwhile comments .

If the moderators are unable to wrest control then they should lock out this thread !

Put in the wrong password and took another 8 mins to post ! Do you think you people are worth the hour i lost tonight ?

I know you're not even worth the 30 seconds it read to read that post.

 

[Benotti69]

Imagine that you are on a broadband that delivers CNF at 16bits/sec , and your computer takes 5+ mins to load each page of the “ Official lance “ thread and you are trying to catch up with 5 or 6 pages of comments ! Additionally the Microsoft works page is doing a number as you prepare the comment !

How many of you would then be so fed up to see that all that was in the thread was a lot of stuff that a “ self respecting moderator ” would have called time on long , long ago !

“ Francois the postman ” gave up a lot of his time about a month ago and asked , no warned , that he expected better . Perhaps he realised that you were all a little short on intelligence or respect and has given up !

YOU PEOPLE deserve all that is coming to you ! Nearing 1million views on this thread and it seems that it is a minority that exists or thrives on insulting each other .

YES I could stay away but why should people like myself be bullied by the “ cowardly behaviour ” of people that when met in real life would not merit the time of day !

It has been said that only lunatics visit this “asylum ” , and I would agree that I am perhaps no better than any of you , but it is long overdue for the MODERATORS to take control and enforce what Francois promised as a “ Christmas Present ” , sensible , entertaining , relevant and worthwhile comments .

If the moderators are unable to wrest control then they should lock out this thread !

Put in the wrong password and took another 8 mins to post ! Do you think you people are worth the hour i lost tonight ?

"Do you think you people are worth the hour i lost tonight ?"

You obviously do

 

[Velodude]

Who said Myths are real? Not me.

Myth of Multiple Indictments is not real.
But Lance is real.
Not Mythcal like Narcissus.
Not Mythical like the Multiple Indictments.

We are saying the same thing.
Wind Tunnels are Real.
Training Harder is Real.
Lazer-Like Focus is Real.
Facts. Documentred. Real.
Not Myths

Debating you is like trying to get your arms around a column of smoke

Originally Posted by Polish
...<snip>...The Myth of Multiple Indictments is just that. A Myth.
The Myth of Prison and the Myth of Prison Boyfriends also....<snip>

So like Zeus, Atlas, Jason & the Argonauts, Narcissus, Gargoyles, little red Riding Hood, the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, etc., we cannot produce evidence that indictments, prisons & prison boyfriends have existed.

I am certain the 2.4 million + in US prisons would beg to differ.

 

[Polish]

Real Lance, real facts, real doper, real cheat, real fraud, real bribery.......

I would say the doping, cheating, fraud, and bribery have reached mythical proportions here in the clinc. Lets call it the Lance Armstrong Myth.

 

[Benotti69]

I would say the doping, cheating, fraud, and bribery have reached mythical proportions here in the clinc. Lets call it the Lance Armstrong Myth.

Whereas i would say we merely touched the tip of the iceberg

 

[MarkvW]

Obviously you have either not read the Armstrong biographies or you have problems with retention.

"Its Not About the Bike: My Journey Back to Life"
"Every Second Counts"
"Comeback 2.0: Up Close and Personal"

How did he publish the biographies? Did he self-publish? Come on . . .

 

[Velodude]

How did he publish the biographies? Did he self-publish? Come on . . .

Mainly through authorised biographer, Sally Jenkins. Books are Amazon described "by Lance Armstrong with Sally Jenkins".

Sally Jenkins still is a true believer at May 2011

Lance Armstrong’s biographer Sally Jenkins has said that she hopes the Texan raced clean during his career and that she wants to accept that he told her the truth about the subject when the spoke about it in the past

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/8...ly-Jenkins-hopes-hes-clean.aspx#ixzz1jqWEbhgr

 

[MarkvW]

every culture has it's sports hero that takes on a larger than life existence. To blame it all on the marketeers is to heavy. Millions of people digested the Armstrong story and pushed away from the table and will return to consume cycling again when another story comes along. Unless Saul Rasin rises again or Levi chases down the people who robbed his house we are in for a long sleepy period.

Some of the items you mentioned are combo issues. Armstrong not anybody else wanted to sell things. He enjoys seeing his name and likeness used to advertise. His eager attitude to pose for the camera is what more than half these posts are about. The essence of conceded is what people can't stand. Double edged sword it serves him well in sport and burdens him when not competing.
If you need an example of a fizzled myth look at this months Outside Magazine. No not Lance but a hurdles sprinter, who's great look and back story from penniless,homeless,foster homes,ect,ect looked like dust to glory. Then she tripped and fell.The companies pulled out before she hit the ground

Outside made the same point in another recent article when commenting about a solo free climber. They'll take all the credit when the hero succeeds, but they'll distance themselves from the hero when the hero dies. And that's kind of my point. Big businesses use the successful athlete.

Of course Armstrong is an unpleasant jerk, and of course he worked hard to create his brand/myth. I see Armstrong as a malignant outgrowth of a sick system more than as a cancer on the sport of cycling. Both points of view have value, but I think that the former explains a lot more than the latter.

Cycling is bush-league. When a dominant team like Highroad can't succeed, then there is something really wrong. Maybe, as an article I recently read said (citing Katusha and Sky), cycling is going back to the patronage system where the teams are funded and bankrolled by rich patrons. No change is in the future.

 

[MarkvW]

Mainly through authorised biographer, Sally Jenkins. Books are Amazon described "by Lance Armstrong with Sally Jenkins".

Sally Jenkins still is a true believer at May 2011

Sure she is. There's profit to be made off of Lance. Every book sold is money for her. There's no way she wants to deride the myth that pulls money into her pocket. She's just one of many who make money off of Lance--like Lance's publishers and other sponsors.

 

[Polish]

I am certain the 2.4 million + in US prisons would beg to differ.

Velodude, surely you realize that when I speak of the Myth of Multiple Indictments and the Prison Myth and the Prison Boyfriend Myth I am talking about Lance. Not the 2.4 million. You realize that right?

I mean c'mon, you have already moved past indictments and convictions and have picked out a prison for Lance in an earlier thread. Fantasy time.

Seriously, I think the time is drawing near when it might be healthy to start dealing with the feelings that will arise when the indictments and prison time do not come. Start processing those feelings. Dealing with it.

Ok, I will start.
Two things that I regret about the indictments not coming down:

First, the Livestrong Foundation will not benefit from the upsurge in donations that would have erupted from the "Leave Lance Alone" and "Backlash" contingents if the indictment came.
Second, with the indictments not coming I regret not being able to post " Holy Crap there are monkeys flying around in my bike shop yikes"
Oh well, I will get over it. Feel better already.

 

[doolols]

First, the Livestrong Foundation will not benefit from the upsurge in donations that would have erupted from the "Leave Lance Alone" and "Backlash" contingents if the indictment came.

No doubt highly orchestrated by the massed throngs of fanboys, interns and volunteers.

It'll be interesting to see how the news is spun. I can't see how it can be turned into a positive for either him or the Foundation, but there's a lot of money swilling around.

 

[Polish]

No doubt highly orchestrated by the massed throngs of fanboys, interns and volunteers.

It'll be interesting to see how the news is spun. I can't see how it can be turned into a positive for either him or the Foundation, but there's a lot of money swilling around.

Ah, the Myth of the Massed Fanboys, Interns, and Volunteers.
That is a good one too

 

[MarkvW]

Ah, the Myth of the Massed Fanboys, Interns, and Volunteers.
That is a good one too

It is amazing how they can mass their forces without any word of it leaking out. It must be the ultimate conspiracy.

 

[Velodude]

Sure she is. There's profit to be made off of Lance. Every book sold is money for her. There's no way she wants to deride the myth that pulls money into her pocket. She's just one of many who make money off of Lance--like Lance's publishers and other sponsors.

The myth started with the "Its not about the Bike" from LA's interview with Sally Jenkins. Armstrong is the author. Jenkins made it readable.

Armstrong created the myths. Jenkins totally believed him and hopes it is still true. If she did not believe any of the myths I would doubt that Armstrong would permit her comments in editorializing.

"Lance Armstrong's War" by Daniel Coyle was all Coyle's work by observation and interviews. Armstrong approved his presence but, as included in the last chapter, dismissed reading the manuscript for approval before publishing.

Coyle (inadvertently?) debunked a lot of Armstrong's myths in that book eg., Ferrari was not just the European data collector for US based "coach" Carmichael - he was the total trainer/coach/medico. Armstrong turned up unfit and overweight to the first training session in Spain. So much for the daily 5-6 hours on his bike.

 

[MarkvW]

The myth started with the "Its not about the Bike" from LA's interview with Sally Jenkins. Armstrong is the author. Jenkins made it readable.

Armstrong created the myths. Jenkins totally believed him and hopes it is still true. If she did not believe any of the myths I would doubt that Armstrong would permit her comments in editorializing.

"Lance Armstrong's War" by Daniel Coyle was all Coyle's work by observation and interviews. Armstrong approved his presence but, as included in the last chapter, dismissed reading the manuscript for approval before publishing.

Coyle (inadvertently?) debunked a lot of Armstrong's myths in that book eg., Ferrari was not just the European data collector for US based "coach" Carmichael - he was the total trainer/coach/medico. Armstrong turned up unfit and overweight to the first training session in Spain. So much for the daily 5-6 hours on his bike.

Lance must be a fabulous mastermind. For one man to create such a pervasive myth, almost all by himself . . . Why that would be a myth in itself (if only it were true).

 

[Velodude]

Lance must be a fabulous mastermind. For one man to create such a pervasive myth, almost all by himself . . . Why that would be a myth in itself (if only it were true).

You must have attended the same school as Polish

BTW, it is not a singular myth but plural.

 

[Cobblestoned]

Velodude, surely you realize that when I speak of the Myth of Multiple Indictments and the Prison Myth and the Prison Boyfriend Myth I am talking about Lance. Not the 2.4 million. You realize that right?

I mean c'mon, you have already moved past indictments and convictions and have picked out a prison for Lance in an earlier thread. Fantasy time.

Seriously, I think the time is drawing near when it might be healthy to start dealing with the feelings that will arise when the indictments and prison time do not come. Start processing those feelings. Dealing with it.

Ok, I will start.
Two things that I regret about the indictments not coming down:

First, the Livestrong Foundation will not benefit from the upsurge in donations that would have erupted from the "Leave Lance Alone" and "Backlash" contingents if the indictment came.
Second, with the indictments not coming I regret not being able to post " Holy Crap there are monkeys flying around in my bike shop yikes"
Oh well, I will get over it. Feel better already.

What will be up next you think, after they focused on Livestrong ?
Always liked the betterresponder-, and secretaliensauce- episodes.
Not really sure, but since Lance will visit the TdF, it should be time for the infidels to prepare another win in that fantasy game.....produce more myths.

Anyways, we are prepared and are used to the yearly process. I can feel it in the air. And its already February soon. Season has to be prepared.

The "Lance visiting the TdF" - episode:
Lance won't visit the TdF.
Lance will be exvited.
Lance won't have enough money to visit the TdF.
Lance is broke and running out of planes.
Doesn't even have money for business class.
Lance won't be allowed to leave the country, will be indicted and handcuffed soon.
Lance will be busted as soon as he enters France. Will be handcuffed at the airport.
Also in multiple other countrys.

Since the focus on the team is still strong, even when Lance is retired now, we should also have/had the pleasure of more:

RS won't get a license.
RS will be gone.
RS won't ride the Tour.
RS will be excluded and gone before the season starts.
RS will be gone before the TdF.
RS will be gone after the TdF.
RS will be gone before the season ends.
Livestrong won't be involved.
Bruyneel will be gone.
Soon.
Sooner or later.
Bruyneel will be busted in multiple countries multiple times. Can't leave the teamcar, can't move the teamcar. Locked. Will nowhere to be seen.
Popo will be gone.
Popo will ride for no one.
Popo is done. The evidence is overhelming.
Lance will flush down all the bloodbags.



I predict that Lance won't ride the TdF.