Official Lance Armstrong Thread **READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING**

[auscyclefan94]

It is hard not to think that this is Strickland once again aiding Armstrong's fraud. Armstrong needs ready the public for what is coming and a salad tosser like Strickland is just the bootlicker to put the word out.

Hmmm, I initially thought he was being fully sincere and had just written up a good summation of armstrong's doping/career. But when you get to the part where he highlights all the other dopers who rode the tour then you get the feeling that it is his way of justifying what Armstrong did in the past and also later in the piece he talks about how we can still appreciate what armstrong did on and off the bike. What Strickland doesn't realise is that the reason his charity was so popular and the reason he won the tdf's was because of the dope so then how can you still appreciate when all of the money for livestrong and his acheivements are all based on a lie?

 

[flicker]

Here is the full article

http://tinyurl.com/4vbgp8t

Thanks for the heads up RR I just got off the horn cancelling my subscription to Bicycling magazine, what tripe by the haters at that magazine.

Nice montage/collage of the players though I am going to blow it up and use in for wallpaper.... in my trophy room.

Your friend,

Lance

 

[Speedzero]

Surreal. It's like the six retrospective positives from 1999 never happened.

Thanks for the link to the full article. It does refer to the 1999 positives, but recycles the same tired old spin: "A UCI report exonerated him." Ack.

 

[webvan]

I would advise reading the entire 12 page piece and not the small "Teaser" that is online. http://tinyurl.com/4vbgp8t

Yes, it does have some "Apologist' BS in it but it will be hard for even the most ardent groupie to deny the obvious.

Now it will all come down to "I've done a lot of good"....... Disproving that claim will be easier then the doping stuff.

Thanks for the link, nice graphs and going over the Top 10 of all these TDFs was fun, however the text is the same as far as I can tell and it still doesn't give any insight on where the "admission" comes from?

 

[Anonymous]

Good article, though I too see it as the first shot in the "Hey look, I doped, but it doesn't negate all of the good I did, and all of the other guys were doping too, and all I did was beat them at their game" PR campaign.

 

[Granville57]

Just reviewing the full article. Thanks for that, RR.
I think this will cause a bit of a seismic shift for some when this issue arrives in the mail. Every mention of Floyd will probably elicit derisive condemnation, but eventually the pieces of the puzzle will convert more than a few ostriches that have, up to this point, not allowed themselves to be confronted with so many details. Missing, of course, is Bicycling's own culpability in the Cult of Personality.

Not sure about the graphics department that put together those charts (‘70s retro?) but...

A few notable items:

1) Carmichael is mentioned by name in the Greg Strock suit (not always the case in the media).

2) Kloden gets a shout-out in the TdF doping hall of fame.

3) This will wake a few people up:

James Startt, Bicycling’s European correspondent, testified at the arbitration that Mcilvain told him she heard the doping admission.

4) On the ’99 samples:

There was no twin A and B sample as mandated under anti-doping regulations. Those rules don’t apply in federal court.

As a very small side note: The Cast of Characters charts says that Tyler received an eight-year ban in ’09. I thought it was a lifetime ban?

Sign that I spend too much time in The Clinic:
See picture of Novitsky and think, Hey, that’s python!

 

[MacRoadie]

As a very small side note: The Cast of Characters charts says that Tyler received an eight-year ban in ’09. I thought it was a lifetime ban?[/I]

I believe it was negotiated down to an 8-year ban. Due to his age, 8 years becomes an effective lifetime ban as far as competition goes, but still allows him to work in the sport in some other capacity once the ban expires.

 

[BroDeal]

The Bicycling readers are frothing at the mouth. It is freaking hilarious that some people can be this stupid. The comments are classic:

"Innocent Until Proven Guilty
Bill, my name is Kenneth, and I wish to tell you I registered today for one purpose and one purpose only. I hope you rot in Hell after you die Bill! Lance Armstrong has never tested positive on a drug test. In the United States of America, a person is presumed to be innocent until proven guilty. 1st, 2nd, or 3rd hand accusations from proven liars or anonymous sources does not constitute proof of guilt. Bill, I hope Mr. Armstrong sues the asses off of you and Bicycling magazine for writing and publishing this derivative, sophomoric crap of yours...you BASTARD!"

I wonder if Ken's last name is Papai.

EDIT: It looks like they are deleting comments.

 

[Granville57]

LMAO!
And Race Radio is making more heads explode over there.

James M. Tucson AZ

Where in the HELL is the proof that Lance has now or ever doped? Not one positive test and he is the MOST TESTED athlete on the Planet. Even MJ's blood came back positive when they tested it. Barry Bonds doping was very apparent.

Oh, I see. That's how it works.

There is NO ONE that can say "I seen LA doping".

Wanna bet?

[Edit: Comments are disappearing and reappearing @ Bicycling.com. It will be interesting to see whats still standing 24 hours from now]

 

[Topangarider]

While the facts presented in this article are not new to forum readers, the venue is what's significant. And the message is clear - Armstrong is a cheat and a liar. I imagine this is a bitter pill for many readers of Bicycling. So I'd say that editorially, this piece took some guts. I also think that the author - though a late convert - should be commended for his honesty even if the facts of Armatrong's doping have been manifest to some for a long time.

 

[BroDeal]

While the facts presented in this article are not new to forum readers, the venue is what's significant. And the message is clear - Armstrong is a cheat and a liar. I imagine this is a bitter pill for many readers of Bicycling. So I'd say that editorially, this piece took some guts. I also think that the author - though a late convert - should be commended for his honesty even if the facts of Armatrong's doping have been manifest to some for a long time.

It is hard to commend a guy who has not only been spreading the lies for a decade but making money by doing so. It is highly convenient that he finds religion right after Armstrong retires and while the feds are preparing to drop an anvil on Armstrong's head.

Next, Gary Seghi steps up. "On the x-rays Armstrong's heart was not the size of a pumpkin. It was actually the size of a small, hard lump of blackest coal. I am sorry I deceived everyone."

 

[Granville57]

"Bill, my name is Kenneth...I hope Mr. Armstrong sues the asses off of you and Bicycling magazine for writing and publishing this derivative, sophomoric crap of yours...you BASTARD!"

Yes, we all eagerly await that lawsuit!

 

[webvan]

I would still like to know what "admission" he is talking about, that article makes little sense without it.

 

[flicker]

Yes, we all eagerly await that lawsuit!

Much ado about nothings. For anyone here who w like to ride bicycle, or do anything in a creative psysical activity pleaseP M e..... eh

 

[Ninety5rpm]

Good article, though I too see it as the first shot in the "Hey look, I doped, but it doesn't negate all of the good I did, and all of the other guys were doping too, and all I did was beat them at their game" PR campaign.

Exactly what I was going to post about it. I can't believe Strickland is really as naive as he makes himself out to be. His livelihood depends on the public buying the change of narrative (from denying doping to discounting the significance of the doping) about as much any other.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Much ado about nothings. For anyone here who w like to ride bicycle, or do anything in a creative psysical activity pleaseP M e..... eh

WTF was that?
For anyone here who like to wet bed please M T U R shurtz

 

[frenchfry]

An interesting mix of revelations and justifications.

In the first paragraph we find the following

"before he was a heroic cancer survivor and selfless activist."

which shows that the fanboy flame hasn't completely died. Selfless isn't a word I would use to describe the pillaging of the Livestrong brand for personal gain.

 

[Dallas_]

Bazaar or Fab

Strickland! I smell a rat, maybe even some $s changing hands under a table.

It would not surprise me the least that either Bazaarvoice or Fabiani had some input into this apologist article. Notice the cancer angle being subtly introduced.

cheers

 

[Benotti69]

Exactly what I was going to post about it. I can't believe Strickland is really as naive as he makes himself out to be. His livelihood depends on the public buying the change of narrative (from denying doping to discounting the significance of the doping) about as much any other.

Strickland has been doing what all the others who believe the huge doped up elephant in the room isn't really there, keep pretending it doesn't exist, keep telling yourself it's not true......

when the elephant takes a dump, and its coming, i hope strickland, watson, ligget, sherwin and all the others who have leeched of it get drowned in its shít.

 

[goggalor]

An interesting mix of revelations and justifications.

In the first paragraph we find the following



which shows that the fanboy flame hasn't completely died. Selfless isn't a word I would use to describe the pillaging of the Livestrong brand for personal gain.

Once a Lance-a-lot, always a Lance-a-lot.

The article is basically saying, "yes, he doped, but he's still the coolest guy ever!!!!!" Snore.

 

[Boeing]

Much ado about nothings. For anyone here who w like to ride bicycle, or do anything in a creative psysical activity pleaseP M e..... eh

if you like large breasts and handjobs call....

 

[Digger]

if you like large breasts and handjobs call....

On a sidenote - at the gym last night there was a guy with a Radioshack kit on a treadmill running - big gut made it look like it was a skinsuit. To wind him up I said 'Livewrong' (alluding to Lance) - thought he was gonna hit me.

I will completely admit that if Lance goes down, I will derive a great deal of safistaction from his clueless fans having to finally admit what we all know. These fans call others haters, but they are far worse. See comments section of Strickland article. They will do anything to protect their dream and their fantasy. These fans call the likes of me a hater, but the bile they spew towards the Andreus, Greg etc etc, is incredible.

 

[Anonymous]

if you like large breasts and handjobs call....

You don't?

 

[Hugh Januss]

if you like large breasts and handjobs call....

You don't?

I think maybe he was offering.....

 

[pedaling squares]

While I am loathe to interrupt a conversation about large breasts and handjobs, it is not often that a mod gets to ask people to please discuss Lance Armstrong so I will avail myself of this rare opportunity!