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Velodude said:
Here are the results of a public poll



So, fatandfast, your dubious "unofficial survey" must have used loaded questions to extract the positive result. Love is not synonymous with cheating.

if 2600 hundred people is your idea of a sound survey I understand. 2600 people that live in Greg Lemond's backyard is even funnier still. The US is almost 312,000,000,I was speaking more worldwide, or for you maybe just N America. What survey taker would develop or ask that 3rd turd question? how would you ask it without giving a cycling history lesson? Or did they do a pre-survey and ask for those of you that are aware of Lance's comeback timeline. I would never ask anybody if they even know Lance, I can assume that the millions that know his name have no contact or direct knowledge of him. Only his work on and off the bike and some personal splashings in Tabloids at the newsstand and grocery check out.

were lots of people involved in the survey named Landis,Lemond, Andreau, Pound,Hamilton?
 
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fatandfast said:
if 2600 hundred people is your idea of a sound survey I understand. 2600 people that live in Greg Lemond's backyard is even funnier still. The US is almost 312,000,000,I was speaking more worldwide, or for you maybe just N America. What survey taker would develop or ask that 3rd turd question? how would you ask it without giving a cycling history lesson? Or did they do a pre-survey and ask for those of you that are aware of Lance's comeback timeline. I would never ask anybody if they even know Lance, I can assume that the millions that know his name have no contact or direct knowledge of him. Only his work on and off the bike and some personal splashings in Tabloids at the newsstand and grocery check out.

were lots of people involved in the survey named Landis,Lemond, Andreau, Pound,Hamilton?

So we're debating the true extent of LanceLove? Fatso, you have found a hater weak spot--many are incapable of absorbing the fact that Lance IS loved because they believe Lance SHOULDN'T BE loved.
 
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Velodude said:
No, he would be equal to the Big 4 (Anquetil, Merckx, Hinault & Indurain) on 5 victories.

He would have to change his brash Twitter identification for his alter ego, Juan Pelota:

"Grew up idolizing The Big 4. They used to call me Junior. Retired. Raisin' 5 kids. I swim, I bike, I run. I travel. I fight cancer. And I like cold beer."

Merckx is still the greatest. Won 50% of all his races. Entered all grand tours. Did not limit himself to one season's showing (TdF) like your idol.

I agree. And Merckx is the greatest Tour de France rider. The only rider to win his first 5 Tours de France. Most stage wins. Most days in the yellow jersey. Best ratio of wins per starts.

BTW: he didn't win 50% of all his races. IIRC, even in his best year (1971) he won one third of all the races he started.

Regarding Armstrong's tweet: how could he have grown up idolizing the Big 4? Indurain didn't win his first Tour until Armstrong was almost 20. He's not exactly going to be one of the big 4 without a single GT win.

Unless he's referring to the big 4 of Triathlon: Scott, Tinley, Allen and Molina? Even that doesn't quite work as Allen didn't win Kona for the first time until 1989.
 
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AngusW said:
I agree. And Merckx is the greatest Tour de France rider. The only rider to win his first 5 Tours de France. Most stage wins. Most days in the yellow jersey. Best ratio of wins per starts.

BTW: he didn't win 50% of all his races. IIRC, even in his best year (1971) he won one third of all the races he started.

Regarding Armstrong's tweet: how could he have grown up idolizing the Big 4? Indurain didn't win his first Tour until Armstrong was almost 20. He's not exactly going to be one of the big 4 without a single GT win.

Unless he's referring to the big 4 of Triathlon: Scott, Tinley, Allen and Molina? Even that doesn't quite work as Allen didn't win Kona for the first time until 1989.

He's scrambling for street cred... The guy's a triathlete for f*ck's sake.
 
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fatandfast said:
if 2600 hundred people is your idea of a sound survey I understand. 2600 people that live in Greg Lemond's backyard is even funnier still. The US is almost 312,000,000,I was speaking more worldwide, or for you maybe just N America. What survey taker would develop or ask that 3rd turd question? how would you ask it without giving a cycling history lesson? Or did they do a pre-survey and ask for those of you that are aware of Lance's comeback timeline. I would never ask anybody if they even know Lance, I can assume that the millions that know his name have no contact or direct knowledge of him. Only his work on and off the bike and some personal splashings in Tabloids at the newsstand and grocery check out.

were lots of people involved in the survey named Landis,Lemond, Andreau, Pound,Hamilton?

Fatandfast, it was a passive internet poll in the Minneapolis/St Paul readership area of an online news provider. A sample of 2,612 would be sufficient to draw a conclusion in any opinion poll.

It will be in a USA court that he will be tried? Why would it need to be world wide poll then? Europeans have believed since 1999 that LA was on it so the results would have been more unfavorable to your idol.

Americans believed until recent times that LA was just another example of US exceptionalism and, unlike Europeans, did not have to resort to drugs to succeed. That ship has sailed.

BTW, what is the source and credibility of your "unofficial" survey that debunks all other polls not favoring LA?
 
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JMBeaushrimp said:
He's scrambling for street cred... The guy's a triathlete for f*ck's sake.



The big four he referred to was Allen, Scott, Tinley, and Molina. You do realize there are other triathlons beside the Ironman, right?
 
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Berzin said:
This is what I'm saying. He WON'T be on equal footing to the other riders who've won five Tours.

You know when they have presentations with the five Tour winners present? Armstrong won't be able to stand with those cats. Not after it comes out that he was blood doping and taking all those drugs.

To win those tours he HAD to take doping to such unprecedented lengths, and that won't wash with the general cycling public. Not when all the details become public knowledge.

all the greats are listed here . Coppi and Merckx both dopers. Both fantastic sportsman and guys responsible for legendary rides that got the public's attention and grew the sport. Indurain and Hinault both super skilled both w unique styles that everybody from the start to the end of their cycling career tried to imitate at the time.

Strange to imagine that all the legends can be equally compared. Some in a modern caravan w outside support while another guy is riding a fixed gear and providing self support down to getting bikes welded after they fail.
In some people's imaginations all the names are equal. Coppi, Indurain, Hinault and Merckx are household names worldwide. Kids in Africa and America are running around with Molteni shirts on. Bernard is stopped in LA getting a cup of coffee. Indurain unable to walk down a street in Sydney because of autograph hounds.
Coppi and Armstrong have some things in common. Both guilty of infidelity. Coppi's disgraced him, the tour, and his family. He dissed the Pope and their little feud about keeping a woman outside of wedlock and the churches graces, helped destroy his career.
I wonder how many line inches were dedicated to any of the mentioned previous champions in newspapers and magazines outside their home countries. Armstrong's every move has been out for public critique and it hasn't always gone his way, as can be expected from a mortal.
It's impossible to know how the public or the athletes would have reacted if their scandals were exposed to 100's of millions daily rather than than the small world that used to exist when they established their records and retorted their misdeeds.
You can look high and low,print ,video , whatever the number of Banesto t-shirts or LaVieClaire jerseys compared to yellow wrist rubbers or yellow swooshes are far less worldwide. If all things are equal I wonder what Eddie would have said to the press or what Coppi what have written in his blog when asked about the major F-ups they committed. Time won't tell. I hope people except the records as they are rather than try and invent a history of what ifs .
Your hand puppeting of the tour organizers and the "general public" are weak. Time will tell what they do, but if things continue as normal Pharmstrong will probably shaking some hands in the near future
 
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gearmasher said:
The big four he referred to was Allen, Scott, Tinley, and Molina. You do realize there are other triathlons beside the Ironman, right?

You're right - it would have been that big four. And yes, as well as having some presence at Kona from 1983, Mark Allen was winning other triathlons like the Nice long distance Tri, while Scott Molina had a reputation as the most consistent winner in triathlon long before he won Kona in 1988.

I remember Armstrong saying that in his early years as a cyclist he didn't know much about the history of cycling, so that growing up he probably wouldn't have realised that cycling even had a "Big 4" although it was only a "Big 3" back then.

Nowadays, there is no big 4 in cycling. There's just Big Tex.:rolleyes:
 
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You do realize that he had to come up with something on his twitter that 'sounded hip' don't you? "Grew up idolizing the big 4" sounds a bit stilted, but hey...cool dude.

I do get tired of always hearing him telling the world about his runs or swims...as if no one else ever does that stuff.
 
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gearmasher said:
The big four he referred to was Allen, Scott, Tinley, and Molina. You do realize there are other triathlons beside the Ironman, right?

You do realize that 'tri-gits' are just that, right? Your list of "the big four" don't count. If they could ride bikes, they'd ride bikes. Nothing like being pretty good at a few things. To quote Polish, "I like excellence".
 

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Race Radio said:
flushing sounds

So you are saying Judge Jacqueline Nguyen told Kristen Armstrong about the "secret ruling".
Then Kristen gave Outside Mag the scoop.

Fascinating.

I suppose Judge Jacqueline then flushed the secret ruling down the toilet out of spite?
 
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Polish said:
So you are saying Judge Jacqueline Nguyen told Kristen Armstrong about the "secret ruling".
Then Kristen gave Outside Mag the scoop.

Fascinating.

I suppose Judge Jacqueline then flushed the secret ruling down the toilet out of spite?

A judge's writing doesn't become a ruling or order until it is entered into the record. The ruling isn't secret, but its terms are. Anybody can look at the case file online and see that there is a sealed order. Giving RR the benefit of the doubt, the title of the order must be both informative and not sealed.
 
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Polish said:
So you are saying Judge Jacqueline Nguyen told Kristen Armstrong about the "secret ruling".
Then Kristen gave Outside Mag the scoop.

Fascinating.

I suppose Judge Jacqueline then flushed the secret ruling down the toilet out of spite?

You still haven't figured out why it was kept secret?
 
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mewmewmew13 said:
You do realize that he had to come up with something on his twitter that 'sounded hip' don't you? "Grew up idolizing the big 4" sounds a bit stilted, but hey...cool dude.

I do get tired of always hearing him telling the world about his runs or swims...as if no one else ever does that stuff.

Armstrong's career now is male model. His attention seeking behavior is well suited to that career.
 
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MarkvW said:
Ah, but you have? Please advise.

Sorry Mark, I was asking Polish. I find it amusing the fanboys and the haters each come up with their own theory on why it being sealed means their side won.

I don't have the slightest idea why it is sealed, and I don't really give a rats azz. I'm waiting for the main event.
 
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You're all wrong: Oedipus Tex's big 4 are Socrates, Plato, Descartes and Kant. :cool:

He's a true aristocrat, his deeds and character are those of a demigod. A real philosopher king of our times. Anyone who tweets 'stay classy' a lot is a man with a lot upstairs.
 
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ChrisE said:
Sorry Mark, I was asking Polish. I find it amusing the fanboys and the haters each come up with their own theory on why it being sealed means their side won.

I don't have the slightest idea why it is sealed, and I don't really give a rats azz. I'm waiting for the main event.

I find it amusing that all the posts re "secret" or "sealed" court decisions are based on RR copying a tweet - maybe I've missed something, but can anyone confirm a ruling? A link? (and not a link to more twit blather) A reputable source? Anything?
 
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Since you asked:

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Cal_Joe said:
I find it amusing that all the posts re "secret" or "sealed" court decisions are based on RR copying a tweet - maybe I've missed something, but can anyone confirm a ruling? A link? (and not a link to more twit blather) A reputable source? Anything?

You are the funniest guy on here. You literally keep shooting yourself in the foot. But don't stop. Otherwise I'd lose a constant source of entertainment.
 

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ChrisE said:
You still haven't figured out why it was kept secret?

excuse me?
are you serious?
I already explained why I thought it was kept secret.
IMO.


On a different note,
Out of the Big Five, Lance had the Most Tour Finishes with 11.
OneTwoThreeFourFiveSixSevenEightNineTenEleven Grrrr.
Big Mig had 10, Eddy and The Badger 7, and Jacques had 6.

And out of the Big Five, Lance had the Most Tour Podiums with 8.
OneTwoThreeFourFiveSixSevenEight Grrrr.
The Badger had 7, Eddy and Jacques 6, and Big Mig had 5.

And of course no one will EVER win Seven Tours in a Row again.
That lightening only struck once.
Consider yourselves lucky to have witnessed AWESOMENESS.

Lots of riders have won multiple "grand" tours.
A dozen?
But only Lance has won seven Tours de France.
In a row.
 
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thehog said:
You are the funniest guy on here. You literally keep shooting yourself in the foot. But don't stop. Otherwise I'd lose a constant source of entertainment.

Still no applicable links. Links are preferred, rather than someone making things up *** edited by mod ***
 
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