Official Lance Armstrong Thread **READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING**

[AngusW]

Without the sucker punch while climbing in 1975 it would have been 6.

I guess we'll never know the answer to that one. One could also suggest that without Ocana's crash in 1971, Merckx would have only won 4 Tours.

 

[ChrisE]

I guess we'll never know the answer to that one. One could also suggest that without Ocana's crash in 1971, Merckx would have only won 4 Tours.

Shhhh! We are bashing LA here by stating Merckx's accolades. Interjecting with stuff like this is not helping.

 

[sniper]

Shhhh! We are bashing LA here by stating Merckx's accolades. Interjecting with stuff like this is not helping.

nobody's bashing nobody.
some posters are merely putting a leash on other posters' unrestricted admiration for a guy who, in a historical perspective, was just the guy who doped the most.

 

[Cloxxki]

Moral standards
+
Amount of doping
=
1 , a constant in professional road cycling


Level of talent
+
Amount of doping
=
likelyhood to win big races


likelyhood to win races
+
connections at UCI
+ or - or *
amount of doping
=
minute chance to get in trouble over doping offences


lucky illness survivor
+
self proclaimed hero
+
media hwore
+
repetitive wins to the point of being predictable
+
every breath secretly for only for own greater glory and wealth
+
lies and denials
+
deceat
+
at the cost of others, notably those who won't survive said illness
+
anyway, in the name of charity
=
epic showerbag, taking such title away from future mankind until an equal douch is brought forth

 

[veganrob]

Really just simple math. Like 2+2

 

[fatandfast]

nobody's bashing nobody.
some posters are merely putting a leash on other posters' unrestricted admiration for a guy who, in a historical perspective, was just the guy who doped the most.

could be. Nobody knows,not you and not me. The lynching of the guy would be great if it was short and sweet. To single him out and allow other of cycling's historical dopers to get a free pass is dumb. The state of bike racing is better because of Lance, period.
Everybody within the sport even if they hate his guts agrees on that. Why people just can't take the wind he has put in the sail and race away is strange. Did he dope? Yes, did he do it every year that he was turning over a gear? I don't know but he rode w Eddie B at his start and a logical conclusion can be drawn. Lots of damage to sport will continue as long as people are turning a rewrite of cycling history into a new sport of it's own.

 

[mewmewmew13]

could be. Nobody knows,not you and not me. The lynching of the guy would be great if it was short and sweet. To single him out and allow other of cycling's historical dopers to get a free pass is dumb. [The state of bike racing is better because of Lance, period.
Everybody within the sport even if they hate his guts agrees on that.] Why people just can't take the wind he has put in the sail and race away is strange. Did he dope? Yes, did he do it every year that he was turning over a gear? I don't know but he rode w Eddie B at his start and a logical conclusion can be drawn. Lots of damage to sport will continue as long as people are turning a rewrite of cycling history into a new sport of it's own.

Lynchings aren't meant to be 'great'. Justice is what happens when wrongdoers are caught and punished.

Everyone knows or should know that this entire investigation is not about Lance or any other cyclist 'doping'. Go back and read posts in this thread. You will find many more intense offenses....most other cyclists in history did not commit or are accused of committing anything close to these offenses.

The bracketed quote is babble to get a reaction.

 

[Polish]

Lance Armstrong actually finished the Tour de France 10 times, not eleven as you claim.

Thanks for the correction Angus - I will fix my post.
Although Lance would have finished 11 (or more) TdF's if his DS did not pull him out of the race. He started so young. As a neo-pro.
Eddy did not start as a neo-pro.
Neither did The Badger or Jacques.
Lance started so young.
Raced the Tour every year.
Neo pro onwards. Mr July.

Anyway, while I am at it, I will increase the podium appearances from 8 to 9.
Lance stood atop the final podium in Paris in 2010 too.
Team Honors. Musketeer status.

10 finishes. 9 podiums.
Awesome.

 

[MacRoadie]

Shhhh! We are bashing LA here by stating Merckx's accolades. Interjecting with stuff like this is not helping.

And that would have left him with "only" 10 GT wins...sigh.

 

[Cloxxki]

Thanks for the correction Angus - I will fix my post.
Although Lance would have finished 11 (or more) TdF's if his DS did not pull him out of the race. He started so young. As a neo-pro.

It's true. Armstrong started entering GT's at the age when Andy Schleck or Jan Ullrich were getting podiums at them. Much too young to expect results from a once in a decade talent.

 

[MacRoadie]

Team Honors. Musketeer status.

Except for all that "all for one and one for all" stuff.

Just ask Alberto, grrr.

 

[fatandfast]

Lynchings aren't meant to be 'great'. Justice is what happens when wrongdoers are caught and punished.

Everyone knows or should know that this entire investigation is not about Lance or any other cyclist 'doping'. Go back and read posts in this thread. You will find many more intense offenses....most other cyclists in history did not commit or are accused of committing anything close to these offenses.

The bracketed quote is babble to get a reaction.

Part of the process is over. The UCI and the agencies tasked with doing the doping controls at the major races Lance won have concluded that he did not. The general public has determined that Lance is worthy of speaking to the UN, Presidents of nations. A more focused public has also concluded that Lance's endorsement is profitable for fund raising and the promotion of major consumer products and bike racing in the US and abroad.
The "offenses" that you know are included in previous threads and posts here on a website have gone entirely unnoticed by the people spending and receiving cash from Lance's personal promotion.
Armstrong is currently being investigated by a police agency within the US. government. The officers involved have extensive knowledge in doping and personnel and the mechanisms for it's purchase and use exemplified by previous investigations and convictions.
Armstrong's case appears to be different in many respects, his accusers all have been prior drug users, some have been convicted of drug use while others have gone through a process of self admission after years of repeated denial. While Armstrong may be guilty, the persons responsible for ensuring that witnesses and facts be confirmed as credible are having a difficult time given the histories both good and bad of the people involved with the case.

 

[MarkvW]

Part of the process is over. The UCI and the agencies tasked with doing the doping controls at the major races Lance won have concluded that he did not. The general public has determined that Lance is worthy of speaking to the UN, Presidents of nations. A more focused public has also concluded that Lance's endorsement is profitable for fund raising and the promotion of major consumer products and bike racing in the US and abroad.
The "offenses" that you know are included in previous threads and posts here on a website have gone entirely unnoticed by the people spending and receiving cash from Lance's personal promotion.
Armstrong is currently being investigated by a police agency within the US. government. The officers involved have extensive knowledge in doping and personnel and the mechanisms for it's purchase and use exemplified by previous investigations and convictions.
Armstrong's case appears to be different in many respects, his accusers all have been prior drug users, some have been convicted of drug use while others have gone through a process of self admission after years of repeated denial. While Armstrong may be guilty, the persons responsible for ensuring that witnesses and facts be confirmed as credible are having a difficult time given the histories both good and bad of the people involved with the case.

To summarize: (1) LanceLove is blind; (2) Lance is being investigated; (3) you are aware of both the secret and nonsecret evidence and you conclude that it will be tough to prove Lance committed a crime.

I have no problem with (1) and (2). You don't know enough to render a reliable opinion on (3).

 

[sniper]

could be. Nobody knows,not you and not me. The lynching of the guy would be great if it was short and sweet. To single him out and allow other of cycling's historical dopers to get a free pass is dumb. The state of bike racing is better because of Lance, period.
Everybody within the sport even if they hate his guts agrees on that. Why people just can't take the wind he has put in the sail and race away is strange. Did he dope? Yes, did he do it every year that he was turning over a gear? I don't know but he rode w Eddie B at his start and a logical conclusion can be drawn. Lots of damage to sport will continue as long as people are turning a rewrite of cycling history into a new sport of it's own.

As I said, nobody's bashing nobody.
iow: very few posters here actually hate his guts.
instead, most just seem to demand some sportive justice to be done, since sport, after all, is about who's the best athlete, and cheating through doping doesn't match that premisse.

Those who still defend LA are in fact the only ones who seem to take the whole issue personally.

 

[Race Radio]

Part of the process is over. The UCI and the agencies tasked with doing the doping controls at the major races Lance won have concluded that he did not.

Nope, WADA has a 8 year window.

2 more years for USADA to file a None-Analytic positive for 2005. 2009 and 2010 will also be wiped clean.

 

[Velodude]

Part of the process is over. The UCI and the agencies tasked with doing the doping controls at the major races Lance won have concluded that he did not. The general public has determined that Lance is worthy of speaking to the UN, Presidents of nations. A more focused public has also concluded that Lance's endorsement is profitable for fund raising and the promotion of major consumer products and bike racing in the US and abroad.
The "offenses" that you know are included in previous threads and posts here on a website have gone entirely unnoticed by the people spending and receiving cash from Lance's personal promotion.
Armstrong is currently being investigated by a police agency within the US. government. The officers involved have extensive knowledge in doping and personnel and the mechanisms for it's purchase and use exemplified by previous investigations and convictions.
Armstrong's case appears to be different in many respects, his accusers all have been prior drug users, some have been convicted of drug use while others have gone through a process of self admission after years of repeated denial. While Armstrong may be guilty, the persons responsible for ensuring that witnesses and facts be confirmed as credible are having a difficult time given the histories both good and bad of the people involved with the case.

Running your glass half full probabilities. Your optimism is incredible!

I would say the only way your hero can be avoid prison time is to receive a
Presidential pardon. Lots of strings attached though. One that would be unpalatable for LA is that acceptance of a pardon carries with it an admission of guilt.

If only these current events occurred when GWB was presiding.

 

[Anonymous]

Nope, WADA has a 8 year window.

2 more years for USADA to file a None-Analytic positive for 2005. 2009 and 2010 will also be wiped clean.

You mean LA may lose his Nevada City Title from '09??

Dang.

 

[AngusW]

Thanks for the correction Angus - I will fix my post.
Although Lance would have finished 11 (or more) TdF's if his DS did not pull him out of the race. He started so young. As a neo-pro.
Eddy did not start as a neo-pro.
Neither did The Badger or Jacques.
Lance started so young.
Raced the Tour every year.
Neo pro onwards. Mr July.

Anyway, while I am at it, I will increase the podium appearances from 8 to 9.
Lance stood atop the final podium in Paris in 2010 too.
Team Honors. Musketeer status.

10 finishes. 9 podiums.
Awesome.

Agreed. Bad DS. Naughty DS. And bad cancer. It should have been 13 starts, 13 finishes.

BTW: Miguel Indurain started the Tour as a neo-pro. And just like Lance he failed to finish his first two tours. Perhaps his DS pulled him out of the Tour?

10 finishes. 9 podiums. I agree that is awesome.

How about this?

12 finishes. 12 podiums. Even more awesome! But it's not Lance! Yikes! Any guesses who it might be?

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Agreed. Bad DS. Naughty DS. And bad cancer. It should have been 13 starts, 13 finishes.

BTW: Miguel Indurain started the Tour as a neo-pro. And just like Lance he failed to finish his first two tours. Perhaps his DS pulled him out of the Tour?

10 finishes. 9 podiums. I agree that is awesome.

How about this?

12 finishes. 12 podiums. Even more awesome! But it's not Lance! Yikes! Any guesses who it might be?

Joop? Off the top of my head

 

[MacRoadie]

Joop? Off the top of my head

Zoetemelk started the Tour 16 times, and finished every single one of them.

He won once, and finished second six times, fourth three times. He also finished fifth once and eigth once, making 16 starts, 16 finishes, 7 podiums and 12 top-tens.

Plus, he was just a year younger than Merckx, so much of that was done in head-to-head competition with Big Eddy.

 

[thehog]

http://espn.go.com/espn/commentary/story/_/id/7068774/lance-armstrong-writes-friendship-steve-jobs

Not sure what to make of this.....

 

[fatandfast]

Running your glass half full probabilities. Your optimism is incredible!

I would say the only way your hero can be avoid prison time is to receive a
Presidential pardon. Lots of strings attached though. One that would be unpalatable for LA is that acceptance of a pardon carries with it an admission of guilt.

If only these current events occurred when GWB was presiding.

the napkin is yours..what a wet mess to clean up. I am only thinking of what might happen while everybody else already knows..so unfair. Lance has his chickens already counted .people have pardons for things undone as part of the process..step off and take charity
Lancie puff look at this sh-t..they see you
the seeing have you by the nards my man..give up now.you see they have you. GWB is probably a reason that lance has not got the full octane of law from a investigation that was founded before barrack.

 

[Anonymous]

http://espn.go.com/espn/commentary/story/_/id/7068774/lance-armstrong-writes-friendship-steve-jobs

Not sure what to make of this.....

I would be mildly surprised to learn LA wrote that without help.

 

[fatandfast]

I would be mildly surprised to learn LA wrote that without help.

why? he wrote it and in sub icon fashion it 's fine.

 

[skippy]

This thread has been " FUN " to watch but have to stick a spoke in !


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Good news @lancearmstrong, you're the 11th most powerful person Outside. (And Bill Clinton has your back.)

REmember reading one item on the thread that must have been aware of this story !

More on my blogs so as to avoid " Susan's wrath "!