Official London Olympics Doping thread

[roundabout]

Considering everyone went crazy about Ye breaking her PB by a huge margin, Jamieson over the last two days has broken his PB in the 200 breaststroke by 2.4seconds. It's just as impressive as Ye's time imo

He is not a cheating commie.

And stop it, you will upset Mellow Velo even more with your ludicrous suggestions that somebody from the Island is suspicious.

 

[titan31]

Where is a facepalm smiley when you need one...

Why, Ye broke hers by 5 seconds over 400, and she's 16. Jamieson is 22 in a few days and broke his by 2.4 over 200.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Considering everyone went crazy about Ye breaking her PB by a huge margin, Jamieson over the last two days has broken his PB in the 200 breaststroke by 2.4seconds. It's just as impressive as Ye's time imo

And the BBC commentator just said he swam "unbelievably" (like I said) well.
So that's 2 years for him, also.

He is not a cheating commie.

And stop it, you will upset Mellow Velo even more with your ludicrous suggestions that somebody from the Island is suspicious.

Like I said, he's toast. The commentator gave the code word.

 

[Cycle Chic]

And Jamieson had 'the look' - same as Ye and Ruhta Meilutyte - oops that was a bit embarassing how easy I did that.

 

[BroDeal]

Somebody explain to me how swimmers can produce world class results when they are teenagers. Every other sport that is combination of aerobic and musclular effort has a peak age in the upper twenties or early thirties. A teenager winning in international competition would be unheard of. How many sixteen years olds or even twenty year olds have won the Tour de France?

 

[Cycle Chic]

Somebody explain to me how swimmers can produce world class results when they are teenagers. Every other sport that is combination of aerobic and musclular effort has a peak age in the upper twenties or early thirties. A teenager winning in international competition would be unheard of. How many sixteen years olds or even twenty year olds have won the Tour de France?

yeh I want to know that too.

 

[Benotti69]

And the BBC commentator just said he swam "unbelievably" (like I said) well.
So that's 2 years for him, also.

Like I said, he's toast. The commentator gave the code word.

Bet they used the same 'unbelievable' for the Chinese swimmer Ye.

 

[roundabout]

And the BBC commentator just said he swam "unbelievably" (like I said) well.
So that's 2 years for him, also.



Like I said, he's toast. The commentator gave the code word.

No, he is clean. Just like Sky. Because unlike you we are simply dissatisfied with the result or whatever.

 

[titan31]

Somebody explain to me how swimmers can produce world class results when they are teenagers. Every other sport that is combination of aerobic and musclular effort has a peak age in the upper twenties or early thirties. A teenager winning in international competition would be unheard of. How many sixteen years olds or even twenty year olds have won the Tour de France?

I think a lot of swimmers tend to burn out quickly due to the amount of training involved, but no real idea

 

[Cycle Chic]

I think a lot of swimmers tend to burn out quickly due to the amount of training involved, but no real idea

So if you 'have no real idea' - whats the point of posting - just to read the sound of your own voice ?

 

[titan31]

So if you 'have no real idea' - whats the point of posting - just to read the sound of your own voice ?

No, as in I read that on another forum.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=80023105&postcount=639

I'm not a swimmer, and generally only see swimming at the Olympics or if Eurosport are showing any major championships.

 

[King Boonen]

Why, Ye broke hers by 5 seconds over 400, and she's 16. Jamieson is 22 in a few days and broke his by 2.4 over 200.

It's not the fact she broke her PB, although I find anyone breaking it by that much strange. It's the fact she beat male swimmers, not Lochte who was "slowing down" but three other guys who were going flat out. It is very, very suspect.

 

[titan31]

It's not the fact she broke her PB, although I find anyone breaking it by that much strange. It's the fact she beat male swimmers, not Lochte who was "slowing down" but three other guys who were going flat out. It is very, very suspect.

Oh, I agree on that, but I actually think the huge PB is more suspect. It never looks good if you can beat yourself by so much.

 

[King Boonen]

Oh, I agree on that, but I actually think the huge PB is more suspect. It never looks good if you can beat yourself by so much.

I don't know enough about these sports to know if beating PBs like this is usual, but it does seem very suspect.

 

[AcademyCC]

It is burnout. To be at Olympic level you start around 9/10 training four/five mornings a week. Its a combination of being able to get up early in the morning and do the druggery of following the black line day in day out. (boring training) It's a pretty boring lifestyle also, get up at 4am train for 2 or 3 hours, go to school, train in the afternoon, go home do some homework be in bed by 9. You can do that in your teenage years but by your early 20's most people have had enough and want a normal life.

Many swimmers haven't fully peaked, just cant handle the lifestyle anymore. Unless your winning medals at an Olympics there's not much money in it either.

 

[BroDeal]

It is burnout. To be at Olympic level you start around 9/10 training four/five mornings a week. Its a combination of being able to get up early in the morning and do the druggery of following the black line day in day out. (boring training) It's a pretty boring lifestyle also, get up at 4am train for 2 or 3 hours, go to school, train in the afternoon, go home do some homework be in bed by 9. You can do that in your teenage years but by your early 20's most people have had enough and want a normal life.

Many swimmers haven't fully peaked, just cant handle the lifestyle anymore. Unless your winning medals at an Olympics there's not much money in it either.

Druggery! I think we figured that one out.

Why the billion hours of training per year? Why would a country with state supported swimmers, like China, not use less workload during athletes' early years, perhaps concentrating on form and technique, then put them in international competition when they are at their physical peak?

 

[hrotha]

If it was simply burnout, wouldn't they just take it easier at first so that their mental peak coincided with their physical peak? You know, like in every other sport ever? No, there has to be an actual advantage for younger swimmers. It's been discussed here the past few days (stroke efficiency peaking at around 20 and going downhill afterwards, bone density being lower in your teens, what have you).

edit: what BroDeal said.

 

[D-Queued]

Druggery! I think we figured that one out.

Why the billion hours of training per year? Why would a country with state supported swimmers, like China, not use less workload during athletes' early years, perhaps concentrating on form and technique, then put them in international competition when they are at their physical peak?

Simple.

1. How do you know if they are any good?
2. How do you know if they are improving?
3. How do you down-select?
4. How do you keep pressure on?

It is a blessing to start with a lot of really, really talented athletes.

You only care about one at the end.

Up or out. Not a babysitting service.

Dave.

 

[Poursuivant]

I won't be so naive, if you won't be so cynical.
I delete that quoted post, since I saw that it had been better answered in technical terms.

As for the Guardian calling them "new", that is factually incorrect.
They have been in that boat for 2 years and were together before that in the 4's.

They broke no records, either.

So, basically, this all boils down to the utterance of "unbelievable".

TBH, I used to visit the Clinic for it's information value. Often the first source for solid doping links, or breaking developments in ongoing stories.
It was tangible.

Now, it's become just a source of constant speculation and wishful thinking.
A way to disguise dissatisfaction with a result, without appearing to be whining.

Great post.

Lol at the lad using the adjective "unbelievable" as an indicator of doping.

 

[AcademyCC]

Physically, there seems to be a window of opportunity for swimmers that closes or is not fully developed if substantial aerobic conditioning and over-distance training is postponed. While there are doubtless exceptions to the rule, swimmers who lack this endurance base in their early years of swimming seem to find it difficult if not impossible to catch up. This is particularly true for female swimmers, probably because of their early maturation.

 

[Montanus]

Quiet weak performance by Ye in the 4x200 freestyle relay. Commentators saying she looked "human" today.

 

[Benotti69]

Great post.

Lol at the lad using the adjective "unbelievable" as an indicator of doping.

Yeah that Redgrave, knows nothing about performance. That they blew everyone away was human.

 

[buckle]

Olympic antidoping

I am convinced that the TT was a joke today. What does it say about the current anti-doping procedures at the Olympics?

 

[doolols]

I am convinced that the TT was a joke today.

Why's that, then? Oh, that's right - Wiggins won. That's not allowed.

 

[mb2612]

The TT is nothing unexpected given their previous transformation, essentially it's no evidence either way.