Official London Olympics Doping thread

[buckle]

What happens if you are atheist or some other religion?

The test is far from perfect but superior to anything currently available from GlaxoSmithKline.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

The test is far from perfect but superior to anything currently available from GlaxoSmithKline.

In that case you should take it to the next series of Dragons' Den.

 

[sniper]

Any chance there is a transcript or corresponding article to link to? The only little bit I've seen is that he is afraid for his own safety now. Loving the way the German press is not letting up on Kenyan doping

The Germans are not letting up on doping in general. Today there was another item on ARD(or ZDF) on doping in (olympic) weightlifting, and there is a constant stream of smaller articles on doping. Also, they have a habit of asking doping experts such as Werner Franke and others for their opinion, as a result of which you get good critical reporting.

(p.s. I just saw FoxxyBrown has posted the transcript. Cool. Note also that the ARD website also has a Mediathek, where you can check stuff that was transmitted previously.)

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Hahahaha. Nice play there. Thanks Gillard and Swan and the Greens for a fat lot of fail, fail, fail, fail and then some more fail. Next Federal election the results are looking dire for the Labor govt. They are set to lose by a big margin. Largest in history. Somewhere near 30 seats out of 149 is where they sit. Just like the NSW and QLD state govt's...annihilation.

But getting back to doping in sport. Interesting that news about the Kenians. No testing at all. Ban them. Ban the whole damn country. You can't do testing or won't submit to it, ban them. Might dispell the myth that only darker skinned African lineage can only run fast. No, they run faster on epo and blood doping. Someone needs to get WADA stronger powers to bi@tch slap all these idiot sporting bodies.

Talking about dopes. Velodrome. Lots of athletes there. Aussie swim team has shown up. Sitting between what I think was Bronte Barratt and another swimmer (with quite a reputation for partying and shacking up with other athletes) Stephanie Rice is guess who? Mr Basketball, I don't rape women, Kobe Bryant. So it's cool for Australian swimmers to hang with that goose, female no less, but Aussie male swimmers who post a photo on twitter of them in the USA holding guns have been told to leave the UK! Bryant went anywhere near my kid, he'd never play basketball again. Some people are truly brainless. Is he still married, or did I hear correctly that his wife had tossed him out? Maybe the USA mens swimmers, ahem cough cough Phelps, has been saying things about Rice. Reputatations to uphold hey? Can't stand the double standards Aussie officials use against the undesirables and the slack cut to the darlings and golden children.

Oh and Victorian Pendleton just got flogged. Good on her for clapping. Good race. Good to see the two fastest and best in the finals. Can't say the same for the team sports...lots of bribes and dodgy calls going. So the graph will need to change. Australia now has 3 gold...catching up to Kazakhstan!!!

Cant blame kobe, stephanie is one hot sheila.

 

[SirLes]

Given the assumption that all runners are juiced to the eyeballs with the latest undetectable chemicals it is interesting how long some world records, that you would have expected to to be regularly broken have lasted.

Only two men have gone faster that Seb Coe's 1981 800m record. The women's record hasn't been broken since the 1980's although I think it is accepted that it was set with the help of drugs. Still is drugs are improving and as suggested testing doesn't work one would still expect the record to have gone by now.

The 1500 m is not a lot different.

It is perhaps why I am so suspicious when three runners get the same time or better than proven doper in the 100m. Also given the number of positive tests for 100m runners over the years.

For Other events I am not convinced the doping is as rampant and widespread as suggested by many on here.

 

[Galic Ho]

Cant blame kobe, stephanie is one hot sheila.

Depends on who you ask doesn't it? Good looking no doubt.

Then again, many, many decent looking American birds. Why not stay close to home? As I said, reputations hold for a reason.

Personally I'd be going after the hockey players myself. Swimmers, some of them might actually be stronger than me. Actually most of them are significantly taller than me. Females, not the men. Not my forte when thats considered. Bryant doesn't need to worry at 6'6" does he?

 

[buckle]

Given the assumption that all runners are juiced to the eyeballs with the latest undetectable chemicals it is interesting how long some world records, that you would have expected to to be regularly broken have lasted.

Only two men have gone faster that Seb Coe's 1981 800m record. The women's record hasn't been broken since the 1980's although I think it is accepted that it was set with the help of drugs. Still is drugs are improving and as suggested testing doesn't work one would still expect the record to have gone by now.

The 1500 m is not a lot different.

It is perhaps why I am so suspicious when three runners get the same time or better than proven doper in the 100m. Also given the number of positive tests for 100m runners over the years.

For Other events I am not convinced the doping is as rampant and widespread as suggested by many on here.

Coe's time was suspicious to say the least and opening up the 1984 files from LA might prove useful.

 

[Galic Ho]

Given the assumption that all runners are juiced to the eyeballs with the latest undetectable chemicals it is interesting how long some world records, that you would have expected to to be regularly broken have lasted.

Only two men have gone faster that Seb Coe's 1981 800m record. The women's record hasn't been broken since the 1980's although I think it is accepted that it was set with the help of drugs. Still is drugs are improving and as suggested testing doesn't work one would still expect the record to have gone by now.

The 1500 m is not a lot different.

It is perhaps why I am so suspicious when three runners get the same time or better than proven doper in the 100m. Also given the number of positive tests for 100m runners over the years.

For Other events I am not convinced the doping is as rampant and widespread as suggested by many on here.

When multiple Olympic medal winners for some of the longer events are retroactively stripped of their medals...it raises suspicion. Even if they aren't smashing the WR. Think the mens Athens 1500m winner. Plenty of 1500m and greater distance runners have been popped.

But I do agree. The sprint events are on a whole other board game when doping is involved and the numbers. Just check out the photos of Carmelita Jeter and her times from 2004/05 and the ones from 2009/12. Massive difference. Like the mens 100m, I'd say 9.9 seconds is the maximum clean. Womens, maybe 11.2, possibly 11.1 seconds max. Anything over that you're clearly doping. I've got no idea what to make of the 800m. It really is odd. Especially Coe's times. Always close to 1'41" mark from the early 80s through till now. Maybe because no matter what you do, it's between sprint/anaerobic output and pure aerobic performance. It's on the edge between both hence I can see there not being much you can gain. It either needs to be shorter or longer to get a material huge gain between different energy systems and muscle fibre types used. Its the no mans land area if you will.

 

[taiwan]

Gonna someone explain the vendetta Steve Cram has against Makhloufi?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

1.500 m

Kenian runners beaten badly as never before, yet they have the Top-3 in this years world top list. They must have been really disturped since Seppelts uncovering story of yesterday. The ESP commentator can´t believe it at all...

 

[Libertine Seguros]

christine ohuruogu winning the 400m despite not running a single world class time in the 2009-2011. there is nothing suspicous about the fact that she foul started in the worlds last year which is almost unheard of in that event and then came back from her winter training camp firing on all cylinders. she definitely didn't false start to avoid running a comically bad which would raise eyebrows when her form picked up.

Ohourogu has run sub-50 seconds 3 times in her career. One World Championships final and two Olympic finals.

However, you're not quite right; she didn't win the 400m, she got the silver.

 

[SirLes]

1.500 m

Kenian runners beaten badly as never before, yet they have the Top-3 in this years world top list. They must have been really disturped since Seppelts uncovering story of yesterday. The ESP commentator can´t believe it at all...

Tactical race. Was called by commentators halfway through that the "best" may not win. If it had been fast from the start the result may well have been different. Time wasn't special.

 

[Galic Ho]

1.500 m

Kenian runners beaten badly as never before, yet they have the Top-3 in this years world top list. They must have been really disturped since Seppelts uncovering story of yesterday. The ESP commentator can´t believe it at all...

Australian commentators didn't say a thing. According to them, it all went to plan. World Record holder clearly a second faster and cruising. Made it look like a joke in his semi.

Plus they are no where near the fastest times. Most in the 1'44" range. I was surprised. Probably are scared.

Edit: my bad...I meant 800m.

1500 metres. I always expect Kiprop to win. Always. Or Kiplagat.

Second lap was 60 seconds. Not really fast. 500m to go Kiprop is dead. Kiplagat was moving. Then he gave in. Kenians were annihilated. Thats surprising. Really, really odd. Race wasn't super fast. Kenians were super slow. Yeah, they were scared.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

That makes it even more disturbing since the kenians had nothing left even in this slow race. One guy was out after half of the race. The other two w/200-100 m to go.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

The two american's both have a good kick in the 1500.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Ohourogu has run sub-50 seconds 3 times in her career. One World Championships final and two Olympic finals.

However, you're not quite right; she didn't win the 400m, she got the silver.

Correct and here is the replay

 

[Merckx index]

Surprisingly frank admission of cheating from winner of the 100 m breaststroke:

South African gold medalist Cameron van der Burgh admitted to taking extra underwater kicks during his world-record performance in the 100-meter breaststroke at the Olympics, an illegal move that would have earned him a disqualification if judges had caught him.

Swimmers are allowed one underwater dolphin kick during their underwater breaststroke pullouts. Replays show van der Burgh took three on the start.

He told the Sydney Morning Herald that he took extra kicks, but defends himself by insisting he's not the only one.

''If you're not doing it, you're falling behind," he said. "It's not obviously - shall we say - the moral thing to do, but I'm not willing to sacrifice my personal performance and four years of hard work for someone that is willing to do it and get away with it."

Doping rationale in a nutshell.

The journalist thinks this is no big deal:

Throwing in an extra butterfly kick doesn't put van der Burgh on a level with blood dopers and steroid users. It's the equivalent of taking some extra steps in basketball or flopping in soccer: athletes trying to get away with as much as possible under the rules.

Or a little clen to hasten waste loss?

He won the race by about half a second. Probably two extra kicks did not give him that much of an edge. But he gained all his time in the first 50 m of the race. That edge, certainly helped by the kicks, could have been discouraging to competitors trying to catch him in the last 50.

To be fair, there is a lot of controversy in swimming about what you should be allowed to do underwater. It used to be you couldn't take even one dolphin kick in the breaststroke, but guys were doing it so much they changed the rules. And supposedly Ryan Lochte has perfected a sideways dolphin kick which, when done with the body completely underwater, is faster than conventional freestyle. By definition, anything should be allowed in the freestyle, but in fact you are not allowed to stay underwater more than 15 m. If they change this rule, as a lot of people think they should, it could revolutionize swimming.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

We had the Brazil-Soccer issue some few days ago (vs. Hondouras getting all the calls; 2 reds vs the opponent + 1 given penalty). Today a penalty was not given for Korea, following a fould by Brazil, when the score was 1-0. Rotten to the core this soccer bunch...

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Men's 100m Breaststroke Final, I think what MI talk about is at 5:10 min

 

[buckle]

We had the Brazil-Soccer issue some few days ago (vs. Hondouras getting all the calls; 2 reds vs the opponent + 1 given penalty). Today a penalty was not given for Korea, following a fould by Brazil, when the score was 1-0. Rotten to the core this soccer bunch...

Ever since 2002, the South Korean dopers have struggled with calls in major tournaments. Away from the international freak shows, one memory I have is the sight of Manchester United's Park Ji-Sung being outdoped by Barcelona at Wembley in 2010. At least the Catalans can play a bit, Park can't do that even when juiced.

In any event, another full house of moronic Anglo-Saxons for the final as they hand over their cash to watch the Brazilian dream team. How thrilling.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

I bet there are no waggers offered by sportsbooks on who will win the 2016 soccer tournament. If so, just give me a link. I´ll bet house & life now that Brazil will win. No need that they even play there. Just hand them gold at the London medal ceremony for both wins, 2012 & 2016...

 

[luckyboy]

Just read in the paper that Bolt thanked a Munich-based doctor - Hans Wilhelm Muller-Wolf - for helping him with injuries. This is the guy who injects goat's/calves' blood.
Didn't think that'd be something he would shout about.

 

[Cyivel]

Cram just said that Makhloufi ran 25s for the 300m-100m to go part of the race

No idea if that is particularly fast tbh.

He then said it was very impressive in a way that made it clear he was insinuating something.

Sick if hinting at things say what you actually mean.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Isn´t it funny that GB really messes up every technical* and/or team sport, while they shine in almost all endurance sports? Must be coincidence.

* thats where all the dope in the world don´t help you. You either have the talent or you don´t.

 

[marcozero]

Dr Hans Wilhelm

Just read in the paper that Bolt thanked a Munich-based doctor - Hans Wilhelm Muller-Wolf - for helping him with injuries. This is the guy who injects goat's/calves' blood.
Didn't think that'd be something he would shout about.

What a quack. How can this not be a smoke screen for doping?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans-Wilhelm_Müller-Wohlfahrt

"Many of the German doctor's treatments are controversial, including using injections of a substance called Hyalart, extracted from the crest of cockerels, which is claimed to help lubricate knee injuries and take away the pain. He has also injected honey or calves' blood into patients.

Müller-Wohlfahrt's use of homeopathic medicine to treat players is also controversial"