Official London Olympics Doping thread

[buckle]

Gonna someone explain the vendetta Steve Cram has against Makhloufi?

He's an ex-1500 and the event is now a joke. One of the Kenyans in the race received a gold medal 4 years after the event. We can assume there are now rumours in respect of Makhloufi. What happens if the Kenyan is proven to be a doper as per German reports? They could be handing out the 2008 and 2012 medals in 2016 at this rate.

 

[Thasp Blog]

Now that Olympic tennis is over...

"The International Tennis Federation announced today that it recognises and respects the lifetime ban imposed on Dr Luis Garcia del Moral by the United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) for various Anti-Doping Rule Violations. Dr Garcia del Moral practices sports medicine in Valencia, Spain, and in that capacity has worked with various tennis players."

http://www.itftennis.com/antidoping/news/pressrelease.asp?articleid=23574

 

[stampedingviking]

Isn´t it funny that GB really messes up every technical* and/or team sport, while they shine in almost all endurance sports? Must be coincidence.

* thats where all the dope in the world don´t help you. You either have the talent or you don´t.

Such as what? Examples please.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Such as what? Examples please.

Oh well, you are welcome:
Basketball; next to last (M), last (W)
Beach Volleyball; last (M), next to last (W)
Volleyball; last (M), next to last (W)
Handball; last (both M, W)
Water Polo; last (both M, W)

But i give you that one: In soccer they are ok (but this is true since forever), so they are in hockey (i guess most of the players come from akistan).

OTOH: Of 48 medals, 32 (two thirds!!) came in endurance/non techniqual sports such as triathlon, running, swimming, cycling and rowing.

Enough said, right?!

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Oh well, you are welcome:
Basketball; next to last (M), last (W)
Beach Volleyball; last (M), next to last (W)
Volleyball; last (M), next to last (W)
Handball; last (both M, W)
Water Polo; last (both M, W)

But i give you that one: In soccer they are ok (but this is true since forever), so they are in hockey (i guess most of the players come from ****stan).

OTOH: Of 48 medals, 32 (two thirds!!) came in endurance/non techniqual sports such as triathlon, running, swimming, cycling and rowing.

Enough said, right?!

Or it might be that, with the possible exception of basketball, those top sports are not popular to the point where you would be hard pressed to find anyone that has played any of them in the UK. Accessibility has more to do with it than anything I would wager.

Oh, and I am guessing doping would help you in most of those sports. Or do you think the NBA is clean?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Oh well, my mistake. I didn´t know that only endurance sports are popular in GB.

 

[Galic Ho]

I thought team GB and all the fanatics would be happy with a plethora of medal. Sad sacks are still whining over nothing. Check the replies on this artilce. One nutter even suggested the UCI was aiming to stop the Gb team!!! Funny stuff. Madness. Bunch of idiots running amok over there. Evil Aussie stops Queen Victoria!!! Bahahaha. Other way around children. Pendleton crossed over to Meares lane because she knew that she herself lacked the kick to win.

Here's a quote from one nutjob: "I'm pretty sure that there is a lot of inside work to stop GB in the UCI any excuse to stop us winning another gold jealousy will get you no where GB are the best cycling nation in the world and if we could had entered 2 people in each event then there would have been 2 medals for GB in nearly every event"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ol...Meares-final-womens-sprint.html#ixzz22uHT9d6A

FoxxyBrown football has been rigged for a very long time now. Problem is Brazil have been choking in recent years. They aren't as good as they once were. Guaranteed semi final spot is assured. They'll get the easiest pool in 2014 and 2016 and no real threat till the semis. It's a done deal. Refs are bought and paid for. Even with massive favours at the 2010 World Cup, Robinho, Kaka and the rest still bombed out. I loved when Kaka was red carded for doing nothing, not even close enough to touch the guy he supposedly fouled. It was a nice comeuppance given his blatant diving, play acting and prima donna attitude that he received no cards for...then he gets to eat his pie for another player reciprocating his dodgy antics. Brazil will be the same in Rio for the next World Cup. They'll resort to BS to win...just like Spain do. Problem is I don't think it'll be enough for them to win the World Cup unless they technically improve.

Same with many in the Olympics. Womens water polo today took the cake. Yanks went over the shot clock by two seconds and scored. No call was made. Aussie coach was penalised, American one was in the refs face begging to fap over the female refs goods...nothing. Not a single thing. Womens hockey? Bad ref from a nation with attitude to Australia, in the first round literally cost Australia a medal chance. 3 wins, a draw and a loss weren't enough to go through. I see it happen every Olympics in a team sport. Someone ALWAYS gets shafted. Honestly, you did this to me, you wouldn't be walking. I cannot believe the teams just take it, again and again and again. Sad that given the Olympics ideals, there is no consistent effort to uphold them. Ajudicators in the womens water polo did however over rule the ref and give Australia a chance. Good to see them recognising a biased ref. American coach was definitely getting some on the side with her.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Oh well, my mistake. I didn´t know that only endurance sports are popular in GB.

Well, you already listed football and hockey.

Would you say sailing is technical? What about Canoeing and boxing?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

To be more precise: It´s highly possible that GB invested in every sport they are to paticipate in their olympics. Not only cycling etc...

More likely: All the science and other stuff just don´t help as much in tech sports as in the endurance sports where they prevailed. Actually the most popular sports in GB are not even olympic (rugby, gaelic football, cricket, billards, darts, etc.). Thus, the talent pool for cycling is about the same as for say handball...

 

[William H]

Oh well, my mistake. I didn´t know that only endurance sports are popular in GB.

Didn't know Long Jump was an endurance sport. Tennis is fairly technical I believe. Sailing? Shooting? Canoe Slalom? Show Jumping and Dressage?

And of course half our Cycling golds were in sprint events.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Would you say sailing is technical? What about Canoeing and boxing?

Didn't know Long Jump was an endurance sport. Tennis is fairly technical I believe. Sailing? Shooting? Canoe Slalom? Show Jumping and Dressage?

And of course half our Cycling golds were in sprint events.

LOL. Of course if 32 medals were won in the sports i mentioned, 16 came in other sports. Those 16 medals plus some might be the true talent distribution if there was no help of special science and other enhancing methods.

Edit: To the bolded. Yop, sprinting is very technical. We know that from track & field were the least positives come from.

 

[jimbags]

Oh well, you are welcome:
Basketball; next to last (M), last (W)
Beach Volleyball; last (M), next to last (W)
Volleyball; last (M), next to last (W)
Handball; last (both M, W)
Water Polo; last (both M, W)

But i give you that one: In soccer they are ok (but this is true since forever), so they are in hockey (i guess most of the players come from akistan).

OTOH: Of 48 medals, 32 (two thirds!!) came in endurance/non techniqual sports such as triathlon, running, swimming, cycling and rowing.

Enough said, right?!

How about listing sports we actually play? like cricket, we're pretty good at it and you won't find a cleaner sport.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

To be more precise: It´s highly possible that GB invested in every sport they are to paticipate in their olympics. Not only cycling etc...

More likely: All the science and other stuff just don´t help as much in tech sports as in the endurance sports where they prevailed. Actually the most popular sports in GB are not even olympic (rugby, gaelic football, cricket, billards, darts, etc.). Thus, the talent pool for cycling is about the same as for say handball...

I am sure they have invested in a number of sports but naturally some will start with no infrastructure such a handball and some will have everything in place such as football. Be interesting to see come 2016 if any of these minor sports have picked up.

Maybe in other countries the talent pool for cycling will be the same as handball but not in the UK.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

How about listing sports we actually play? like cricket, we're pretty good at it and you won't find a cleaner sport.

As you might have read, i said cricket is not olympic. Clean? From a dope standpoint. Maybe. But i rate game fixing even lower than somebody who cheats to win. To take paying spectators for complete fools like in all those fixed soccer and cricket matches is the worst of all...

I am sure they have invested in a number of sports but naturally some will start with no infrastructure such a handball and some will have everything in place such as football. Be interesting to see come 2016 if any of these minor sports have picked up.

Maybe in other countries the talent pool for cycling will be the same as handball but not in the UK.

Exchange handball for all the olympic team sports (handball was just an example). You don´t really think GB can find all the talent of the world all of a sudden in "simple" sports, while the same time with the same amount of money they can´t even field a single team sports squad where they at least finish in the middle of the pack?

I thought team GB and all the fanatics would be happy with a plethora of medal. Sad sacks are still whining over nothing. Check the replies on this artilce. One nutter even suggested the UCI was aiming to stop the Gb team!!! Funny stuff. Madness. Bunch of idiots running amok over there. Evil Aussie stops Queen Victoria!!! Bahahaha. Other way around children. Pendleton crossed over to Meares lane because she knew that she herself lacked the kick to win.

Here's a quote from one nutjob: "I'm pretty sure that there is a lot of inside work to stop GB in the UCI any excuse to stop us winning another gold jealousy will get you no where GB are the best cycling nation in the world and if we could had entered 2 people in each event then there would have been 2 medals for GB in nearly every event"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ol...Meares-final-womens-sprint.html#ixzz22uHT9d6A

FoxxyBrown football has been rigged for a very long time now. Problem is Brazil have been choking in recent years. They aren't as good as they once were. Guaranteed semi final spot is assured. They'll get the easiest pool in 2014 and 2016 and no real threat till the semis. It's a done deal. Refs are bought and paid for. Even with massive favours at the 2010 World Cup, Robinho, Kaka and the rest still bombed out. I loved when Kaka was red carded for doing nothing, not even close enough to touch the guy he supposedly fouled. It was a nice comeuppance given his blatant diving, play acting and prima donna attitude that he received no cards for...then he gets to eat his pie for another player reciprocating his dodgy antics. Brazil will be the same in Rio for the next World Cup. They'll resort to BS to win...just like Spain do. Problem is I don't think it'll be enough for them to win the World Cup unless they technically improve.

Same with many in the Olympics. Womens water polo today took the cake. Yanks went over the shot clock by two seconds and scored. No call was made. Aussie coach was penalised, American one was in the refs face begging to fap over the female refs goods...nothing. Not a single thing. Womens hockey? Bad ref from a nation with attitude to Australia, in the first round literally cost Australia a medal chance. 3 wins, a draw and a loss weren't enough to go through. I see it happen every Olympics in a team sport. Someone ALWAYS gets shafted. Honestly, you did this to me, you wouldn't be walking. I cannot believe the teams just take it, again and again and again. Sad that given the Olympics ideals, there is no consistent effort to uphold them. Ajudicators in the womens water polo did however over rule the ref and give Australia a chance. Good to see them recognising a biased ref. American coach was definitely getting some on the side with her.

Pretty much sums it up. Down the toilet with the olympic oath. The biggest hypocrisy of this olympics, when those liars of coaches/athlets/refs held up their right hand. Disgusting.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Exchange handball for all the olympic team sports (handball was just an example). You don´t really think GB can find all the talent of the world all of a sudden in "simple" sports, while the same time with the same amount of money they can´t even field a single team sports squad where they at least finish in the middle of the pack?

I am for not one second saying they are all clean but if you compare the medal count and the sports they were in to Beijing you will see they are very similar. If, suddenly, lots of medals starting appearing in sports where there was no history e.g. handball or any of the other olympic team sports you mentioned, would you say that was more or less suspicious?

Of course you could say that they were all doping in 2008 but regardless the numbers are consistent.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Here's a quote from one nutjob: "I'm pretty sure that there is a lot of inside work to stop GB in the UCI any excuse to stop us winning another gold jealousy will get you no where GB are the best cycling nation in the world and if we could had entered 2 people in each event then there would have been 2 medals for GB in nearly every event"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ol...Meares-final-womens-sprint.html#ixzz22uHT9d6A

You criticise me for talking about the Australian papers (saying they are Murdoch/Fairfax run) and then put a link to the Daily Mail. Nice.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

I am for not one second saying they are all clean but if you compare the medal count and the sports they were in to Beijing you will see they are very similar. If, suddenly, lots of medals starting appearing in sports where there was no history e.g. handball or any of the other olympic team sports you mentioned, would you say that was more or less suspicious?

Of course you could say that they were all doping in 2008 but regardless the numbers are consistent.

Come on, i´ve no time to make the stats for the 2008 olympics (so your point is unable to proof right or wrong). But my feeling & the numbers i mentioned for 2012 tell me something is really wrong.

As i said, you just can´t go out there with bags full of money and create a succsessful let´s say volleyball team. To improve technical sports is so much harder than a "simple" power or endurance sport like running straight ahead or cycling (nothing against it, otherwise i wouldn´t visit cycnews everyday). Doping brings so much more in, for example cycling, compared to tech sports that even the cyclists themselves admit to it (like Jaksche did).

 

[mastersracer]

Come on, i´ve no time to make the stats for the 2008 olympics (so your point is unable to proof right or wrong). But my feeling & the numbers i mentioned for 2012 tell me something is really wrong.

As i said, you just can´t go out there with bags full of money and create a succsessful let´s say volleyball team. To improve technical sports is so much harder than a "simple" power or endurance sport like running straight ahead or cycling (nothing against it, otherwise i wouldn´t visit cycnews everyday). Doping brings so much more in, for example cycling, compared to tech sports that even the cyclists themselves admit to it (like Jaksche did).

You do realize that GB won every gold medal but 2 on the track in Beijing, right? What exactly is 'sudden' about 2012?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

You do realize that GB won every gold medal but 2 on the track in Beijing, right? What exactly is 'sudden' about 2012?

maybe you just go to the "48" post for starters. I am not in kindergarten to repeat everything trice...

 

[William H]

By your logic, I guess China are the super clean team?

edit: Also, I never claimed track sprinting was a technical sport, but it's certainly not an endurance sport. And you repeatedly claimed that GBs success was focused on endurance sports.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

I don´t get your logic about the china team. Not at all. Anyway, of course i don´t think that China is clean. A country were kids get sacrificed for a medal, were testers are stopped at the borders, were wr setters come and go in a second...

I said endurance and/or non technical sports.

Again,
GB at greece 2004, before being announced olympic city in 2005: 30 total medals
GB at Peking 2008 in the lead up for their games: 47 total medals
GB in 2012 after approx 2/3 of events: 48 total medals and counting

To cycling in particular: I do not follow track cycling regulary, but i guess their dominance started after 2005, at the same time not only did they not improve an inch in technical/team sports, but they are last/next to last in every team sport outside of soccer & (apparently) akistan influenced hockey. That makes it doubtful.

 

[sittingbison]

...cricket, we're pretty good at it and you won't find a cleaner sport.

Other than Parkistan, Indian Premier League, Hansie Cronje, Shane Warne, and....Mike Atherton lol

 

[diorgen]

Ever since 2002, the South Korean dopers have struggled with calls in major tournaments. Away from the international freak shows, one memory I have is the sight of Manchester United's Park Ji-Sung being outdoped by Barcelona at Wembley in 2010. At least the Catalans can play a bit, Park can't do that even when juiced.

In any event, another full house of moronic Anglo-Saxons for the final as they hand over their cash to watch the Brazilian dream team. How thrilling.

I think the Korean soccer team dopes as well, do you have any background info or links regarding it? Would be handy

 

[buckle]

Other than Parkistan, Indian Premier League, Hansie Cronje, Shane Warne, and....Mike Atherton lol

Don't forget Headingley in 1981 when bookmakers offered 500-1 on England in their hopeless situation. Two Australian players were seen buying the odds. Result: English victory. Now if those guys were from the Sub-Indian continent ...

 

[TubularBills]

"I Don't Believe What I've Seen Here."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/19164612

The firken "perfect" Olympics in the home field.

I don't believe the U.S. faked the Moon landing, but I do believe this has been completely staged (orchestrated).

Extraterrestrial.