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Far be it for me to try and excuse a doper like Millar clearly has been, but the parallels being drawn between him and Vino really are a bit unfair. About the only similarity between them is that they both doped. For most people, it's what occurred after the positive that is the issue:

1) Millar made an admission. Vino did not.
2) Millar received a full-length sentence. Vino got a cut-down suspension for no reason whatsoever.
3) Millar has at least expressed contrition for doping since and hasn't shied away from answering the questions when they're put to him about his past. Vino has only made statements along the lines of "that's in the past".

In short: Vino is the epitome of the worst kind of doper. Caught, never admitting guilt, reduced suspension from ridiculous same-country investigation and punishment, and refusal to be apologetic about it.

He may be an outstandingly entertaining rider to watch, but he will never ever represent anything to me other than the worst side of a sport and the worst kind of participant in it. I expect I'll remember Contador much the same way if his responses on his return are the same.
 
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maybe ...but Vino is a true racer. David Millar has made a pot of money from his contrition Vino has made money winning. Plus Vino has put back into cycling via Astana ( i understand Millar is a share holder in Garmin but he has not done anything along the lines of Vino)

Lets face it Vino kicked some *** old school style.. no radio,no B.S. just some good old fashioned racing ... stick your 450 watts where the sun dont shine :eek:
you may not like it but it is what it is. He is not trying to be anything other than a racer. Like many that have come before him.
 
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I guess I didn't think my statement through too well.. I am a bit biased, and I do like dopers like Millar a lot more than ones like Vino who admit nothing. I want to believe there are pro's who used to be dirty, and truthfully desire a clean sport, but it's true this world isn't black and white like that. I guess I shouldn't be hatin' on Vino when we got guys like Wig and Fro getting away with murder. Why is doping still around... so sick of it.
 
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JibberJim said:
Well the Chinese girl swam the freestyle final 50 faster than the male gold medal winner in there 400 medley, and only 3 hundredths slower than his final 100. 5 seconds faster than previous best see here. Extraordinary performance, but then Swim training works right?

Backs up what we learned from Team Sky: if you want to make big improvements, hire a swim coach.

Congratulations to the girl, she's obviously found a few marginal gains - and they've added up to put here in a different league from the competition.
 
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Cavalier said:
Far be it for me to try and excuse a doper like Millar clearly has been, but the parallels being drawn between him and Vino really are a bit unfair. About the only similarity between them is that they both doped. For most people, it's what occurred after the positive that is the issue:

1) Millar made an admission. Vino did not.
2) Millar received a full-length sentence. Vino got a cut-down suspension for no reason whatsoever.
3) Millar has at least expressed contrition for doping since and hasn't shied away from answering the questions when they're put to him about his past. Vino has only made statements along the lines of "that's in the past".

In short: Vino is the epitome of the worst kind of doper. Caught, never admitting guilt, reduced suspension from ridiculous same-country investigation and punishment, and refusal to be apologetic about it.

He may be an outstandingly entertaining rider to watch, but he will never ever represent anything to me other than the worst side of a sport and the worst kind of participant in it. I expect I'll remember Contador much the same way if his responses on his return are the same.
Millar denied, denied, denied until caught red handed with the products on him. Now he's sat on the UCI's anti-doping panel. Why him? Why not a guy like Moncoutié or Fedrigo? Why Millar? If you're going to go the route of somebody who has been caught doping but then given back into anti-doping, then why him? Why not a guy like Sella, Simeoni or Sinkewitz? Why Millar?

Millar's just a white knight who has gone about it this way because it rehabs his image. Still, he returned from his ban with Saunier Duval, teaming with Koldo Gil, Piepoli, Riccò, Ventoso and Mayo. He has been able to hit the perfect mix of looking and sounding like the good guy, without rocking the boat too much. Bernhard Kohl has done more to end doping in the sport than David Millar.
 
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Some of us see Millar as a cynical cheat putting up an anti-doping façade as his very profitable PR persona rather than as a genuinely repentant ex-doper. If that view is right, then Vino is much better: a doper, but not a huge hypocrite; didn't show contrition because he didn't feel any, just like Landis or Jaksche only have regrets for getting caught or for what they did afterwards.
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
Why him? Why not a guy like Moncoutié or Fedrigo? Why Millar? If you're going to go the route of somebody who has been caught doping but then given back into anti-doping, then why him? Why not a guy like Sella, Simeoni or Sinkewitz? Why Millar?

Because that's who the comparison was being made with? I'm not even British and couldn't give two ****s about Millar, but I'm simply pointing out that saying SOMETHING is better than saying nothing and continuing to actively foster Omerta. Vino was a doper for the vast majority of his career - and could well still be - and who was clearly intent on progressing his doping with CERA when caught. Anyone trying to draw a parallel between him and Millar -or anyone else caught and admitted - is clearly a little deluded.
 
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Cavalier said:
Because that's who the comparison was being made with? I'm not even British and couldn't give two ****s about Millar, but I'm simply pointing out that saying SOMETHING is better than saying nothing and continuing to actively foster Omerta. Vino was a doper for the vast majority of his career - and could well still be - and who was clearly intent on progressing his doping with CERA when caught. Anyone trying to draw a parallel between him and Millar -or anyone else caught and admitted - is clearly a little deluded.

The question "Why Millar" in that context is to refer to, why is it HIM that has been sat on the UCI's anti-doping panel and not
a) a clean cyclist without a doping history
b) a cyclist with a doping history who has done more to clear up the sport not just by saying "don't do it!" like he's Grandmaster Flash or something, but actually saying what he did, how he did it, where he got it from, who else was doing it and so forth and so on.

Not "why Millar" as in "why are you comparing Vino to Millar".
 
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hrotha said:
Some of us see Millar as a cynical cheat putting up an anti-doping façade as his very profitable PR persona rather than as a genuinely repentant ex-doper. If that view is right, then Vino is much better: a doper, but not a huge hypocrite; didn't show contrition because he didn't feel any, just like Landis or Jaksche only have regrets for getting caught or for what they did afterwards.

No thanks. I'd rather take a hypocrite who likes the sound of his own voice over a vermin with money and connections.
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
Millar denied, denied, denied until caught red handed with the products on him. Now he's sat on the UCI's anti-doping panel. Why him? Why not a guy like Moncoutié or Fedrigo? Why Millar? If you're going to go the route of somebody who has been caught doping but then given back into anti-doping, then why him? Why not a guy like Sella, Simeoni or Sinkewitz? Why Millar?

Millar's just a white knight who has gone about it this way because it rehabs his image. Still, he returned from his ban with Saunier Duval, teaming with Koldo Gil, Piepoli, Riccò, Ventoso and Mayo. He has been able to hit the perfect mix of looking and sounding like the good guy, without rocking the boat too much. Bernhard Kohl has done more to end doping in the sport than David Millar.

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this cannot be stressed enough.
the way the UCI has ignored, shoved aside, and even harassed whistleblowers is beyond belief.
and I doubt Millar is in any way concerned about the fate of those whistleblowers either.
 
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sniper said:
Regarding Ye Shiwen, note that Phelps was only fifteen when he broke the world record on the 200 butterfly in 2004.

Remarkable stat: Ye Shiwen was faster than Lochte in the final 50 meters of their respective 400m races.

Phelps was 15 when he first performed at the games in Sydney 2000 and inot Athens and he did not win any medalselet alone break world records at that games. He was 19 in Athens.
 
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Phelps did break the WR in 2001 when he wasn't yet 16. So the underlying point is correct and you are just quibbling over details.

Edit: when he was 16.
 
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The Hitch said:
Phelps was 15 when he first performed at the games in Sydney 2000 and inot Athens and he did not win any medalselet alone break world records at that games. He was 19 in Athens.

true, thanks for the correction.
I'm now confused as to when he swam his first world record 200m fly.
2000 or 2001? Was he 15 or 16?
I'm finding both on the internet.

EDIT: thanks roundabout, all clear now
 
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hrotha said:
Some of us see Millar as a cynical cheat putting up an anti-doping façade as his very profitable PR persona rather than as a genuinely repentant ex-doper. If that view is right, then Vino is much better: a doper, but not a huge hypocrite; didn't show contrition because he didn't feel any, just like Landis or Jaksche only have regrets for getting caught or for what they did afterwards.

This. Millar is a media wh0re who uses anti-doping as a way to attract attention to himself and ultimately make money. It is all about his own image. We saw Millar's true attitude about doping when he called Landis disgusting for revealing what was going on at Postal.

Millar is a better looking Joe Papp.
 
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VeloGirl said:
So this is a little surprising...

A young female gymnast, 20, has returned a positive for the banned diuretic furosemide. She was suspended and is waiting the results of the B sample.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...stan-london-olympics-suspended_n_1715643.html

Enough small fish getting caught these days.
Hard to imagine a guy like Murray, Lebron, Bolt, Neymar, or Phelps returning a positive.
When was the last time a real big fish tested positive at the olympics?


besides the point, but is 20 young for a gymnast?
 
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sniper said:
Enough small fish getting caught these days.
Hard to imagine a guy like Murray, Lebron, Bolt, Neymar, or Phelps returning a positive.
When was the last time a real big fish tested positive at the olympics?


besides the point, but is 20 young for a gymnast?

Rashid Ramzi was a big fish that got caught at Beijing (gold medal 1500m). We are only a few days in...

Seems like 20 is old with the gymnasts. Probably just because of how they look
 
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sniper said:
Enough small fish getting caught these days.
Hard to imagine a guy like Murray, Lebron, Bolt, Neymar, or Phelps returning a positive.
When was the last time a real big fish tested positive at the olympics?


besides the point, but is 20 young for a gymnast?

Twenty is on the higher end of old in woman's gymnastics. The minimum age to compete was raised from 14 to 16 a few years ago.

I agree - we will NEVER hear of a positive from LeBron, Bolt, etc...

Although, if anyone on your list ever gets popped, my bet would be Bolt.
 
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Right about Bolt. Not because he is doping any more than other athletes there but because of his attitude. Olympics is very political and IOC don't care for Usain Bolt. They like humble Anglos winning.

And before anyone gets their panties all in a bunch, I am white
 
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veganrob said:
Right about Bolt. Not because he is doping any more than other athletes there but because of his attitude. Olympics is very political and IOC don't care for Usain Bolt. They like humble Anglos winning.

And before anyone gets their panties all in a bunch, I am white

I think the IOC do like Bolt. He is a genuine year-round superstar, which almost all Olympic athletes are not. I cannot think of a single athlete (in a sport where the Olympics is the pinnacle) more popular (read: marketable) than Bolt.
 
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veganrob said:
Right about Bolt. Not because he is doping any more than other athletes there but because of his attitude. Olympics is very political and IOC don't care for Usain Bolt. They like humble Anglos winning.

And before anyone gets their panties all in a bunch, I am white

They couldn't care less who is winning so long as they have marketing potential. White people love to have a brown skinned hero to talk about around their friends, it shows they aren't racist...
 
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All the Olympic swimmers appear to have huge lantern jaws............
..............and that's just the women.:rolleyes::D
 
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veganrob said:
Right about Bolt. Not because he is doping any more than other athletes there but because of his attitude. Olympics is very political and IOC don't care for Usain Bolt. They like humble Anglos winning.

And before anyone gets their panties all in a bunch, I am white

Do you live in Opposite land?:confused:

Bolt is the most hyped individual in sports history.

He has been the only face of the London olympics.

Every poster for the olympics is bolt with his arms in the air.
Every preview of the olympics in any newspaper is a picture of Bolt with the jamaican flag. Any advert for the olympics has as its final clip Bolt crossing the line in Beijing. Every Eurosport general advert in the last 4 years has ended with Bolt.

Every time the olympics has been mentioned in the news, bolt is mentioned.

Any highlight reel of olympics (not just 08 or 2012 ones, but all olympics) finishes with Bolt crossing the line in Beijing.

If i didnt know who Bolt was i would assume this must be a guy who won 16 gold medals or something. Its shocking when you consider he has only won 2 individual ones, and 2 at the WC.

When the olympic tickets were being advertised, Londoners were told they should apply to watch the opening ceremony or Bolt in the 100.

He has more hype than the other 10 000 people at the olympics combined.