Official London Olympics Doping thread

[sniper]

All the Olympic swimmers appear to have huge lantern jaws............
..............and that's just the women.

LOL.

It's true though.

 

[Ozzie2]

Is that what it is.
I remarked to the missus that there's all these women/ girls who look like Lois Williams (??) ......the wife/ mum in the TV cartoon "Family Guy"

 

[7_7_7_7]

He has more hype than the other 10 000 people at the olympics combined.

Bolt is also one of the 'fastest (highest) responders' in Olympic History.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Regarding Ye Shiwen, note that Phelps was only fifteen when he broke the world record on the 200 butterfly in 2004.

Remarkable stat: Ye Shiwen was faster than Lochte in the final 50 meters of their respective 400m races.

It´s like Ching Chong Chang or any other obscure chinese boy would drop the Sky-Train including Froome.

I mean it´s clear; chinese people are far superior than blacks or whites. They are taller, bigger, stronger and faster by nature.

Anyway, the biggest joke was on the opening day ceremony, when athletes, coaches and refs did the "Athlete's Oath".

And then the hypocrisy german "journalists & reporters" hacked away on cycling yet another time, b/c Vino won, but no D-Word on swimmers. Talk about brainwashing. Just disgusting!

 

[BotanyBay]

"If Vino says 'it's a victory for clean cycling" he'd be my hero. Alternatively if he said 'f*** every single mother******* one of you,' that would work too."
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Stay classy Floyd!

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Enough small fish getting caught these days.
Hard to imagine a guy like Murray, Lebron, Bolt, Neymar, or Phelps returning a positive.
When was the last time a real big fish tested positive at the olympics?


besides the point, but is 20 young for a gymnast?

Oh well, that´s just 24 years ago. I don´t count US afterwards investigations (M. Jones).

I am sure since forever, FIFA, NFL and IOC are far worse than McQuaids club.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Right about Bolt. Not because he is doping any more than other athletes there but because of his attitude. Olympics is very political and IOC don't care for Usain Bolt. They like humble Anglos winning.

And before anyone gets their panties all in a bunch, I am white

Bolt is the Armstrong of IOC. He´s protected. Anyway, he´s a big time doper. He´s in the same "HoF class" like Ben Johnson & Armstrong. It´s impossible to break the 100-WR by 0,16 secons inside 2 years, when his (doped) predecessors needed 31 years to cut the WR by the same amount.

 

[lean mean &green]

An un-Orwellian view

"Serious sport has nothing to do with fair play. It is bound up with hatred, jealousy, boastfulness, disregard of all rules and sadistic pleasure in witnessing violence: in other words it is war minus the shooting"


http://orwell.ru/library/articles/spirit/english/e_spirit

This particular quote is illuminating in some situations but completely inaccurate when describing the Olympic competition I've seen the past few days.

Orwell's helicopter view is telling, the street level view is often quite different. It makes me wonder how many pairs of tennis shoes big George actually owned. Might I suggest marrying the two?

Healthy and unhealthy competition exist at ALL levels, not just elite sport. Hooliganism and cheating occur when a culture accepts it and encourages it. Sportsmanship occurs in much the same way when we incentivize it.

It's axiomatic that competition cannot exist without cooperation. Having a healthy relationship with competition is a dynamic characteristic always changing within each participant and spectator. It requires constant attention. The trick is not allowing the pendulum to swing too far in either direction or else the entire endeavor becomes pointless.

EDIT: I feel like I may have just taken the discussion way off topic, if we want to discuss conflict theory, functionalism, or symbolic interaction as they pertain to sport culture we probably ought to start up a new thread.

 

[FabulousCandelabra]

I don't follow womens racing much, but I just caught the womens road race. Is vos clean? She is a super beast that's for sure..

 

[Cloxxki]

I don't follow womens racing much, but I just caught the womens road race. Is vos clean? She is a super beast that's for sure..

Hard to say. As a youngster she just didn't have peers. A bit of a Lemond story? Also she seems good at any sport. Not just road, but also track, cross and in earlier days speed skating. On the road, she's not just a sprinter (few in the world match her to the line, she has a wicked acceleration), she's also a climber and more than decent TT'er.
There was a communiqué from Rabobank recently, apparently she has a VO2max much like the Rabo men. She's a natural talent for sure, but whether clean, is a matter of faith. She's from a VERY protective cycling family. Not sure a bachelor was allowed within eye contact distance the past years. I may get the wrong impression, but there's that. female athletes with (overly) supportive families are not always best off. I know of one that probably doped to not let family expectations of performances down. Not to say that family may have facilitated. You can rely on omerta within a family better than within a team.
Having seen her as a 14-year old, and presuming that unlike some other kids that age who dominate (speed skating) she was still clean then, she really is a one-per-generation type of talent. Very consistent.

 

[7_7_7_7]

Justin Gatlin's time of 9.80 seconds this Year, is 'highly suspicious' when you take his colorful past into consideration.

The men's 100 meter final at the London Olympics 2012, will be a showdown between, the 'fastest pharmacologically enhanced' sprinters in history.

 

[will10]

Blake will win the 100m and no-one will mention he has served a ban in the past. Gatlin will be the drug-tainted bronze medallist. I don't get it.

 

[7_7_7_7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yohan_Blake

Prior to the 2009 World Championships, Blake (along with Marvin Anderson and Sheri-Ann Brooks) tested positive for the stimulant 4-Methyl-2-hexanamine.[15][16] A disciplinary panel organised by the Jamaica Anti-Doping Commission (JADCO) cleared him of a doping infraction on the grounds that the drug was not on the World Anti-Doping Agency's banned list. However, JADCO appealed their own panel's ruling, stating that the athlete should be disciplined as the drug was similar in structure to the banned substance tuaminoheptane.[17] As the panel would resolve the issue after the World Championships, the Jamaica Amateur Athletic Association took the precaution of withdrawing Blake from the relay race.[18] The appeals tribunal decided that a ban would be appropriate, and Blake and the three other sprinters each received a three month ban from competition.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

What is wrong with michael phelps? lol ...Is he high? lol

 

[King Boonen]

Has Ohurogu (sic?) tested positive yet?

 

[The Hitch]

Im a clinic regular and someone who takes part in the athletics discussions here, and even I didn't know Blake had tested positive.

considering how all Vino was to the media when he won is "doper" it makes me sick to think that non cyclists can get off scott free.

 

[the asian]

Im a clinic regular and someone who takes part in the athletics discussions here, and even I didn't know Blake had tested positive.

considering how all Vino was to the media when he won is "doper" it makes me sick to think that non cyclists can get off scott free.

A lot of high profile athletes were caught and banned even for a longer period. Merritt, Ramzi, Gatlin for the second time. But they come back, compete in the trials and qualify the Olympics without much issue.

I guess cycling is victimized because it's a poor mans' sport.

 

[will10]

A lot of high profile athletes were caught and banned even for a longer period. Merritt, Ramzi, Gatlin for the second time. But they come back, compete in the trials and qualify the Olympics without much issue.

I guess cycling is victimized because it's a poor mans' sport.

It's an odd one though. No-one in the press here is mentioning Gatlin without closely preceding or following his name with drug cheat. But nothing on their new golden boy Blake...

 

[Nick777]

http://www.sportsscientists.com/2012/07/london-day-2-quick-thoughts.html?m=1

Contains an interesting article on the Chinese girl that broke the 400IM world record.

 

[Cookster15]

Justin Gatlin's time of 9.80 seconds this Year, is 'highly suspicious' when you take his colorful past into consideration.

The men's 100 meter final at the London Olympics 2012, will be a showdown between, the 'fastest pharmacologically enhanced' sprinters in history.

I agree. I'm no expert on track spinting but Carl Lewis was hailed a god for running 9.99 in the 1984 LA Olympics. Carl has since admitted he doped yet now we have guys running well under 10 sec like it's nothing. The difference between 9.99 and 9.80 (or 9.59!) is an eternity in the 100. I don't think superior training can explain this unless todays athletes are at least as doped as those in the days of Lewis and even Ben Johnson.

Maybe with the recent focus on improved blood testing, testing for power enhancing drugs like HGH is now lagging? That might explain the times yet few positives ? The world's probably moved on from steriods.

 

[Catwhoorg]

There is a new test for HGH debuting at this Olympics.

 

[Cloxxki]

http://www.sportsscientists.com/2012/07/london-day-2-quick-thoughts.html?m=1

Contains an interesting article on the Chinese girl that broke the 400IM world record.

What's the typical performance improvement between 15 and 16 then, for girls at the 400IM that actually do their best? 7s seems not so much over 4'30.

 

[Mellow Velo]

http://www.sportsscientists.com/2012/07/london-day-2-quick-thoughts.html?m=1

Contains an interesting article on the Chinese girl that broke the 400IM world record.

Mmmm, almost goes as far as to say she had her foot well off the gas for the first 300m.
Could have gone a lot faster.
Finished so far ahead today,(200 IM) the others appeared to be in a different race.

There is a new test for HGH debuting at this Olympics.

Might blow out some of those lanterns.

 

[Cloxxki]

Mmmm, almost goes as far as to say she had her foot well off the gas for the first 300m.
Could have gone a lot faster.
Finish so far ahead today,(200 IM) the others appeared to be in a different race.



Might blow out some of those lanterns.

Those lanterns are lit over a longer period of time. After that, they become eternal flames. Unlike the Olympic flame, they don't need a refill.

 

[the asian]

Mmmm, almost goes as far as to say she had her foot well off the gas for the first 300m.
Could have gone a lot faster.
Finish so far ahead today,(200 IM) the others appeared to be in a different race.



Might blow out some of those lanterns.

She is the reigning Worlds' 200 M IM champion, so no surprises there.

I'm more interested in the performance of the 15 year old Lithuanian girl who smashed the field in the 100M Breast stroke in the heats and Semis. She has emerged virtually from nowhere.