So what? You are angry about me?Markyboyzx6r said:Right, so tell me - what's your experience of GB Rowing? Hmm? Ever been on a GB training camp, ever seen any of their physiological results, ever helped team members (like Redgrave) scrape enough money together between Games to enable them to train properly? Ever actually raced them in competition?
You lot have no idea what you are talking about. None at all. You have no insight into GB Rowing, yet you are quite happy to s*** on our team. I never saw you down at Leander on cold winters mornings yet you somehow know something I didn't see in 20 years in and around elite rowing, nor did I ever even hear rumours about.
Nothing that Redgrave or Pinsent or any of the squad did was out of the norm (ie drug-tainted). They were exceptional athletes right from the start of their careers (Pinsent was beating my scores when he was still at Eton). You name one single performance for which there is any suspicion and I'll put you right on it...
Any performance. Name one.
To be fair, if you want to have a discussion this is pretty silly. His first four points can easily be checked and can be found to be true.Markyboyzx6r said:You're absolutely and totally wrong about Redgrave so I'll assume the rest of this post is rubbish too.
Redgrave never doped. I know this for a fact. I don't believe I need to compromise my confidentiality in order to assert this truth. I know the guy and have a sense of humour failure when his achievements are belittled cause I know and saw what it took to win those 5 golds.Benotti69 said:Dont get het up old chap. I am no more inclined to believe an anonlymous someone on a forum who allgedes insider knowledge.
Darryl Webster is not anonymous with his posting so his insider informaton carries weight, not a name taken out of MotorcycleNews. Never liked Kwakas
I'm sorry, but unless you have literally been watching him 24/7 you can't know for a fact.Markyboyzx6r said:Redgrave never doped. I know this for a fact. I don't believe I need to compromise my confidentiality in order to assert this truth. I know the guy and have a sense of humour failure when his achievements are belittled cause I know and saw what it took to win those 5 golds.
That's my final say on this. I'm sure you'll follow up with some snide, narky comment.
That pretty much sums it up. Thanks.King Boonen said:I'm sorry, but unless you have literally been watching him 24/7 you can't know for a fact.
I'm not in the "Redgrave doped" camp, but if you're not willing to discuss it there was little point posting here.
No problem. This is the place people come to discuss doping. There is much too much "they won therefore they doped" talk in here but taking the exact opposite stance of "I guarantee they didn't dope" without giving any evidence is just as maddening.FoxxyBrown1111 said:That pretty much sums it up. Thanks.
Yeah, but was rowing popular and understood in East Germany?FoxxyBrown1111 said:Well "King" you would have been right, if there wasn´t (err... still is, only that it´s world wide now, even to places like Jamaica) that dark era of eastern doping. They spoiled every sport from A like Archery to Z like Zehnkampf.
So to beat the east germans in endurance sports like rowing, you´d have been better the best of the best in the universe. Otherwise no chance to stand the dopers. Now, is Redgrave the best rower in the universe? I doubt it...
Or not...King Boonen said:On the Redgrave point,
I actually think he managed to win 5 golds because rowing it is an elitist sport which many countries didn't or still don't take seriously. The cost may be prohibitive for many nations to set up a decent rowing programme, whereas something like the 100m - 10,000m just require a track. (and yes, I understand more money will mean much better facilities, but I still think the comparison is valid).
It wasn´t about popularity. It was political. The medal count was important to them.King Boonen said:Yeah, but was rowing popular and understood in East Germany?
I mean, I had friends who rowed. I would have beaten them in any test of endurance or strength, embarrassingly so in some cases, but on the water I would have been destroyed.
There is a lot of technique involved and I don't know how easy it is to learn.
I agree any performance like that is suspicious, there's just too little evidence. Have any of Redgraves competitors ever been pinged for drug use/admitted to it?
Yes of course i think Aliens compete:Don't be late Pedro said:You probably only need to be one of the best on earth unless you think Aliens also compete??
I am not sure if he counts as alien. AFIR, there was sportsmen looking like him 100 years ago. But no way "women" used to look like Fraser. Not even in the times of big time doping in the GDR.Don't be late Pedro said:I would have also accepted any picture of Robert Forstemann.
No way Forstermann looks more natural than her. The picture with his thighs and Greipel's looks shopped FFS.FoxxyBrown1111 said:I am not sure if he counts as alien. AFIR, there was sportsmen looking like him 100 years ago. But no way "women" used to look like Fraser. Not even in the times of big time doping in the GDR.
I you take away the face and then look at the picture, it seems to be a male bodybuilder with anabolica steroid ti+s.
Ok, you´re right. It looks bad. It may comes b/c of his shorter legs.taiwan said:No way Forstermann looks more natural than her. The picture with his thighs and Greipel's looks shopped FFS.
HGH, allegedly.FoxxyBrown1111 said:Ok, you´re right. It looks bad. It may comes b/c of his shorter legs.
Still, women didn´t look like Fraser unless they were/are pregnant. I mean where is her waist?
What causes this ugly looking stomaches of all those "women" athlets (not just Fraser, look at Jeter, etc.)? I never saw such things in the 80s? Anyone knows?
Ye Shewin is the Olympic equivalent to Pharmstrong. She makes it impossible to suspend disbelief.gooner said:US coach has suspicions about Ye Shiwen's world record Olympic swim. Crikey he even compared it with Michelle Smith's performance in Atlanta in 1996 and her swim that time was so obvious there was something up.
And Vino has got a bit of back up from a UK journalist in The Guardian.
Thanks, time to go hunting on PubMed I think.Catwhoorg said:Sktechy details.
Longer window of detection being the key.
She was 25 seconds slower over the whole distance.the delgados said:Ye Shewin is the Olympic equivalent to Pharmstrong. She makes it impossible to suspend disbelief.
There is simply no way a 16 year-old female can best the times of top-level males without doping.