Official London Olympics Doping thread

[Frosty]

The two Kenyan girls didn't run as a team and seemed to set it up for Dibaba but this race leaves me wondering whether track and field is the blue ribbon event it once was? The attempts by the BBC comentators (one of them cannot speak English) to big this up compounded the embarassement.

Who couldnt speak English?

 

[saosinfangirl]

In all sports the human performance peaks around age 28.

I doubt it.

Also did you guys watch the womens 10,000m? Tirunesh Dibaba totally crushed everyone! She sprinted that last 400m and looked very 'fresh' at the finish. I know its not the best idea to judge doping based on facial expressions but you would have thought she would be going deep in the red to significantly up the pace with around 800 to go, but didn't see any evidence of that at all. Looked very comfortable.

Dibaba in full flight is one of the most beautiful visions in track & field.
Her final 1K was 2:45.68. She really is just an amazing, beautiful and beautiful-to-watch athlete.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

My signature is getting more hilarious as the Olympics go on.

How about Jonathan Borlee cruising his way to a PB on the 400 today? That's stunting. Fraser-Pryce was hilarious also yesterday. Have a heart, guys. At least try to LOOK like you put in some effort, damn.

Don´t forget the women 10.000. The best Armstrong look of no need to breath.
... I guess the 100 "women" WR will be broken. When i see Jeter run 10.8 after a real slow start, Fraser´s nose breathing only after going 11.0 flat, we´ll have a hell of a freak show. I´ll watch it. Not that i admire them, but more like a circus freak show or hollywood movie where you switch off after the event and go on with something else.

Oh, and the clinic will have plenty to discuss of cadence, train harder, big hearts, etc.

 

[buckle]

Who couldnt speak English?

Brendan Foster. Subject, verb and object are just within his grasp but he's on the limit. Relative clauses and adverbs are completely beyond him.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

I doubt it.

Why? Show me a sport other than gymnastics and swimming where the athlets are washed out by age 20. Not even dirty cycling achieved that feat. And that says a lot.

 

[sniper]

Don´t forget the women 10.000. The best Armstrong look of no need to breath.
... I guess the 100 "women" WR will be broken. When i see Jeter run 10.8 after a real slow start, Fraser´s nose breathing only after going 11.0 flat, we´ll have a hell of a freak show. I´ll watch it. Not that i admire them, but more like a circus freak show or hollywood movie where you switch off after the event and go on with something else.

Oh, and the clinic will have plenty to discuss of cadence, train harder, big hearts, etc.

just saw German Gesa 'Felicitas' Krause beating a coupla Kenians (3000m steeple), crossing the finishline with a big smile on her face, hardly sweating, no signs of heavy breathing. Farcical stuff.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Don´t forget the women 10.000. The best Armstrong look of no need to breath.
... I guess the 100 "women" WR will be broken. When i see Jeter run 10.8 after a real slow start, Fraser´s nose breathing only after going 11.0 flat, we´ll have a hell of a freak show. I´ll watch it. Not that i admire them, but more like a circus freak show or hollywood movie where you switch off after the event and go on with something else.

Oh, and the clinic will have plenty to discuss of cadence, train harder, big hearts, etc.

Hey, it's a fast course.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Hey, it's a fast course.

Yep. Talked about it yesterday.
BTW Gay just ran 10.08. Very slow for a fast track. No just kidding. It´s round one.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

just saw German Gesa 'Felicitas' Krause beating a coupla Kenians (3000m steeple), crossing the finishline with a big smile on her face, hardly sweating, no signs of heavy breathing. Farcical stuff.

I am a lit surprised, since "our" german 100 europe champ could hardly talk after running 11.1 yesterday. She was real exhausted and posseses a womans wist. Anyway she´ll have no chance against the roid "women".

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

8 year banned Gatlin in the blocks...

 

[doolols]

8 year banned Gatlin in the blocks...

And under 10 seconds at a stroll. Hmm.

 

[mb2612]

9.88, Bolt's going to crush the WR

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

And under 10 seconds at a stroll. Hmm.

You see, you can be fast w/o all the dope. Just ask Gatlin. Back to his old times, with high cadence and hard train only...

 

[AcademyCC]

Team GB rowing coach

Jürgen Gröbler (born 31 July 1946, Magdeburg) is a German rowing coach, formerly the Olympic team coach of East Germany and later of Great Britain. He has coached crews to Olympic gold medals at 11 consecutive Olympic Games from 1972 to 2012.

Having coached East Germany to success since 1972, when Germany was reunited and the East German national sports administration collapsed in 1991, Gröbler moved to Britain, where he was employed by Leander Club and the Amateur Rowing Association.

Controversy surrounded the appointment, given the suspicions that drug use had been rife in East German sports and that any senior coach would have been involved or had knowledge of the drugs programme. In an interview in 1998 he admitted that he had "difficulties" with the thought that drug taking may have caused medical problems for rowers, and that he had given "snippets" of information to the Stasi, the East German security organisation.[1] Steve Redgrave defended him, blaming the East German system for the drug use, rather than Gröbler personally, in keeping with Gröbler's own statement that "I have to live with what went on in East Germany. I was born in the wrong place. It was not possible to walk away."

 

[Cycle Chic]

Jürgen Gröbler (born 31 July 1946, Magdeburg) is a German rowing coach, formerly the Olympic team coach of East Germany and later of Great Britain. He has coached crews to Olympic gold medals at 11 consecutive Olympic Games from 1972 to 2012.

Having coached East Germany to success since 1972, when Germany was reunited and the East German national sports administration collapsed in 1991, Gröbler moved to Britain, where he was employed by Leander Club and the Amateur Rowing Association.

Controversy surrounded the appointment, given the suspicions that drug use had been rife in East German sports and that any senior coach would have been involved or had knowledge of the drugs programme. In an interview in 1998 he admitted that he had "difficulties" with the thought that drug taking may have caused medical problems for rowers, and that he had given "snippets" of information to the Stasi, the East German security organisation.[1] Steve Redgrave defended him, blaming the East German system for the drug use, rather than Gröbler personally, in keeping with Gröbler's own statement that "I have to live with what went on in East Germany. I was born in the wrong place. It was not possible to walk away."

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/spo...w-heroes-to-inspire-a-generation-6436745.html

This makes me so mad - the UK public have no idea of facts like this. Its all being brushed under the carpet - just like the Sky doping doctor Leinders. People are beginning to wonder where the GB performances are suddenly coming from and they are being fed the 'marginal gains' rubbish. What about the staff they have who have a DOPING PAST.

And why even go near any professional who has a link with any doping whatsoever ???

 

[AcademyCC]

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/spo...w-heroes-to-inspire-a-generation-6436745.html

This makes me so mad - the UK public have no idea of facts like this. Its all being brushed under the carpet - just like the Sky doping doctor Leinders. People are beginning to wonder where the GB performances are suddenly coming from and they are being fed the 'marginal gains' rubbish. What about the staff they have who have a DOPING PAST.

And why even go near any professional who has a link with any doping whatsoever ???

ha ha - A quote from that article you linked when he went to his first British regatta. "But there I was at Henley and I was thinking 'there must be some money in this sport'."

 

[doolols]

What about the staff they have who have a DOPING PAST. And why even go near any professional who has a link with any doping whatsoever ???

This is the current theme in the Clinic. In the absence of any proof or evidence, drag up the past of anyone associated with the teams.

Oh, you once worked in a country where there was doping going on? What, less than a dozen years ago? You obviously can't work in a clean environment, so you must be a DOPING COACH

Sour grapes is a phrase that comes to mind.

 

[mb2612]

This is the current theme in the Clinic. In the absence of any proof or evidence, drag up the past of anyone associated with the teams.

Oh, you once worked in a country where there was doping going on? What, less than a dozen years ago? You obviously can't work in a clean environment, so you must be a DOPING COACH

Sour grapes is a phrase that comes to mind.

What, you were encouraging athletes to take drugs

Now you have moved somewhere else and those athletes have made massive performance improvements.

But you promise you're clean?

Ok, I believe you

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

This is the current theme in the Clinic. In the absence of any proof or evidence, drag up the past of anyone associated with the teams.

Oh, you once worked in a country where there was doping going on? What, less than a dozen years ago? You obviously can't work in a clean environment, so you must be a DOPING COACH

Sour grapes is a phrase that comes to mind.

He is a doping coach. Old habits never change.

 

[Caruut]

I agree with the line of argument that it seems stupid to hire someone previously professionally connected with doping. There seems to be an attitude that anyone can change - this is true. The question is - have they? When someone refuses to ever fully admit what they did wrong, their appointment is kept on the down-low and their results are much the same as they were before, it's hard to have faith.

I do have more faith in an East German coach in his situation than, say, a Dutch one. In East Germany, whatever moral qualms he had with the doping, I doubt walking away was ever a realistic option. For the Dutch guy, it was always an option.

 

[AcademyCC]

This is the current theme in the Clinic. In the absence of any proof or evidence, drag up the past of anyone associated with the teams.

Oh, you once worked in a country where there was doping going on? What, less than a dozen years ago? You obviously can't work in a clean environment, so you must be a DOPING COACH

Sour grapes is a phrase that comes to mind.

Incorrect. I am a Brit who is loving the rowing performances. I really hope their clean. First point is British public will have little to no clue of his past and second, why do it? why hire anyone with such dodgy past? yes they want British rowing to progress but a guy straight out of an East German program! Don't get it.

 

[buckle]

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/spo...w-heroes-to-inspire-a-generation-6436745.html

This makes me so mad - the UK public have no idea of facts like this. Its all being brushed under the carpet - just like the Sky doping doctor Leinders. People are beginning to wonder where the GB performances are suddenly coming from and they are being fed the 'marginal gains' rubbish. What about the staff they have who have a DOPING PAST.

And why even go near any professional who has a link with any doping whatsoever ???

The British people are not wondering . Look on the plus side at least the UK gave the World George Orwell. His books of course stemmed from his experiences in Spain, France and a first hand experience of the Soviet political system . His genius had nothing to do with simply being British (the guy went to Eton), working in the Colonial service and at the BBC. Nothing to do with those experiences at all ...

 

[sniper]

How suspicious are USA and China performances really?

Interim medal ranking (NB: only considering total number of medals and only considering countries with +10 medals)

Rank - Country - Nr. of medals
1 - USA - 45
2 - China - 43
3 - Großbritannien - 25
4 - Russland - 24
5 - Japan - 21
6 - Deutschland - 20
7 - Frankreich - 19
8 - Australien - 17
9 - Südkorea - 16
10 - Italien - 12

Here is the ranking reshuffled according to number of medals per million inhabitants (on the far right in bold):

1 - Australien -17 - 22.000.000 -0.772
2- Großbritannien -25 - 62.000.000 - 0.403
3 -Südkorea - 16 - 50.000.000 - 0.320
4- Frankreich -19- 65.000.000 - 0.292
5 -Deutschland - 20 - 81.000.000 - 0.247
6- Italien- 12 - 60.000.000 - 0.200
7 -Russland - 24 - 142.000.000 - 0.169
8 -Japan - 21 - 128.000.000 -0.164
9- USA - 45 - 311.000.000 -0.144
10 -China -43 - 1.300.000.000 -0.033

Of course, a lot of caveats to be made here (like the fact that there is a maximum number of participants per country, among many other things). So certainly doesn't allow to draw any farreaching conclusions, but it's interesting to see Australia doing so well on average. China's average performance is hardly suspect.

 

[mb2612]

Interim medal ranking (NB: only considering total number of medals and only considering countries with +10 medals)

Rank Country Nr. of medals
1 USA 45
2 China 43
3 Großbritannien 25
4 Russland 24
5 Japan 21
6 Deutschland 20
7 Frankreich 19
8 Australien 17
9 Südkorea 16
10 Italien 12

Here is the ranking reshuffled according to number of medals per million inhabitants (on the far right):

1 Australien 17 22.000.000 0.772
2 Großbritannien 25 62.000.000 0.403
3 Südkorea 16 50.000.000 0.320
4 Frankreich 19 65.000.000 0.292
5 Deutschland 20 81.000.000 0.247
6 Italien 12 60.000.000 0.200
7 Russland 24 142.000.000 0.169
8 Japan 21 128.000.000 0.164
9 USA 45 311.000.000 0.144
10 China 43 1.300.000.000 0.033

Of course, a lot of caveats should be made here (like the fact that there is a maximum number of participants per country, among other things presumably). So certainly doesn't allow to draw any farreaching conclusions, but it's interesting to see Australia doing so well.

Australia are frothing at the mouth about doing badly this year.

 

[buckle]

You see, you can be fast w/o all the dope. Just ask Gatlin. Back to his old times, with high cadence and hard train only...

Nobody seems to be able to work out what *** these people are on? Gatlin might not be part of the brains trust but gee, even he must have asked the obvious question, "Are you sure I won't get caught"? Whatever it is, it's way beyond anything the testers can throw at it.