Official London Olympics Doping thread

[taiwan]

Even I would have been confident of calling that one.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

She looked so feminine...

 

[Caruut]

The IAAF website has a really comprehensive list of performances, it's quite interesting to see the jumps in performance and the way the top athletes in different events are spread.

For example, the top 5 PBs ever set in the 800m belong to Rudisha, Kipketer, Coe, Amos and Cruz. There is over 30 years between Coe's PB and the London Olympics where Rudisha and Amos set theirs. This is the kind of situation one should expect - the greats scattered few and far between. In stark contrast, the top 5 ever athletes in the 100m are Bolt, Gay, Powell, Blake and Carter. All of their PBs have been set in the past 5 years.

http://www.iaaf.org/statistics/index.html

 

[the big ring]

Aha if it's true .. there was some comments about here in this very thread.started by me

And I agreed her haircut wasn't helping matters. You should feel a certain sense of vindication imo.

 

[sniper]

Aha if it's true .. there was some comments about here in this very thread.started by me

And I agreed her haircut wasn't helping matters. You should feel a certain sense of vindication imo.

indeed, recall the comments about how it is completely impossible and donwright irresponsible to judge from someone's looks if s/he's on the roids or not.
Here's to gutfeeling and common sense.

 

[python]

Link to BBC story on it

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/19242736

what is interesting about this doping case is not that she doped and got caught, but the olympic doping due process when compared to the claims of one rich cyclist currently charged with doping and who hired an army of lawyers to prove lack of due process.

the shotputter failed her last test on 5 august and pronounced guilty 12 august. note, the hearing already took place with all sides present.

swift justice indeed. of course she doped but she aint got millions to hire layers to obfuscate the truth for years.

lucky we the fans and the ioc.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Having the lab set-up and running 24/7 I ma sure helepd hugely

AAF gets communicated, B sample gets tested the day of the request. Everyone is onsite and easy to get a hearing convened.

Justice should be quick.

 

[roundabout]

It's easy to say with benefit of hindsight, but I remember making a mental note when Ostapchuk's pre-Olympic form was mentioned. 21m+ performances in Belarus in July.

as somebody who makes a bit of effort to watch athletics, I didn't remember her throwing over 21 in major championships. In London she did it 4 times

 

[the asian]

It's easy to say with benefit of hindsight, but I remember making a mental note when Ostapchuk's pre-Olympic form was mentioned. 21m+ performances in Belarus in July.

as somebody who makes a bit of effort to watch athletics, I didn't remember her throwing over 21 in major championships. In London she did it 4 times

Her performance was indeed suspicious. She easily beat Valerie Adams, the defending champion and the woman who had dominated the event. If it was a one off throw it might have been believable but the fact that she regularly threw over 21 meters, much further than Adams had thrown in her career, certainly made it suspicious.

 

[The Hitch]

Her performance was indeed suspicious. She easily beat Valerie Adams, the defending champion and the woman who had dominated the event. If it was a one off through it might have been believable but the fact that she regularly threw over 21 meters, much further than Adams had thrown in her career, certainly made it suspicious.

I remember the commentators though saying in the final that Adams was below her best and that she had thrown further in the qualifying or something.

 

[the asian]

I remember the commentators though saying in the final that Adams was below her best and that she had thrown further in the qualifying or something.

May be, but throwing over 21 M is Quite rare. I believe Adams has thrown only over 21 M only three times in her entire career. The Belarus women did it 4 times during the final!

 

[D-Queued]

Boxing sux.

Cycling has not reached the depravity of boxing... yet. The Azerbaijani's are now suing the BBC for airing the story on the 'fix'.

But, that is only the start of the boxing mess at the 2012 Games.

Watched the Gold medal bout in the fly lightweight division. What a farce.

The entire crowd was booing the alleged winner in the middle of the match, and well before the result was announced.

The Chinese fighter, Zou, was the country's first ever gold medal box when he won in Beijing, and was their first Olympic boxing medalist at Athens. Not only was he set up to be their first gold repeat, his countrymen did not fare so well at London after winning four medals in Beijing, and Zou remained the only medal hope.

That provides some context for how he got into the medal round, let alone to the gold medal match. You have to wonder how much moolah was riding on his medal.

In the medal qualifying bout, his opponent had this to say:

"I believe the referees were helping him a lot," Zhakypov said through a translator. "I do not agree with the decision."

I wonder what he would have said about the gold medal match?

That gold medal bout in London had to be one of the most biased refereeing jobs yet. When the ref finally deducted a long overdue point from Zou, he turned around barely a moment later and deducted one from the Thai fighter - for nothing.

The announcers were livid, as was the crowd.

Someone should check to see whether the ref is going new car or house shopping.

Boxing is a farce and should be removed from the Olympics.

Dave.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

So now consistency is suspiscious? U cynics.

 

[the asian]

So now consistency is suspiscious? U cynics.

The consistency was quite abnormal. Anyway she was caught doping.

 

[D-Queued]

So now consistency is suspiscious? U cynics.

Kind of like 7 Tours... it underscores how rigged the whole thing is.

Consistency here is only in the obvious application of the golden rule...

Dave.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Kind of like 7 Tours... it underscores how rigged the whole thing is.

Consistency here is only in the obvious application of the golden rule...

Dave.

Or peaking whole season long...

Nevertheless the woman can throw a stone

 

[the asian]

Boxing sux.

Cycling has not reached the depravity of boxing... yet. The Azerbaijani's are now suing the BBC for airing the story on the 'fix'.

But, that is only the start of the boxing mess at the 2012 Games.

Watched the Gold medal bout in the fly lightweight division. What a farce.

The entire crowd was booing the alleged winner in the middle of the match, and well before the result was announced.

The Chinese fighter, Zou, was the country's first ever gold medal box when he won in Beijing, and was their first Olympic boxing medalist at Athens. Not only was he set up to be their first gold repeat, his countrymen did not fare so well at London after winning four medals in Beijing, and Zou remained the only medal hope.

That provides some context for how he got into the medal round, let alone to the gold medal match. You have to wonder how much moolah was riding on his medal.

In the medal qualifying bout, his opponent had this to say:

"I believe the referees were helping him a lot," Zhakypov said through a translator. "I do not agree with the decision."

I wonder what he would have said about the gold medal match?

That gold medal bout in London had to be one of the most biased refereeing jobs yet. When the ref finally deducted a long overdue point from Zou, he turned around barely a moment later and deducted one from the Thai fighter - for nothing.

The announcers were livid, as was the crowd.

Someone should check to see whether the ref is going new car or house shopping.

Boxing is a farce and should be removed from the Olympics.

Dave.

The result was a farce. The Thai fighter should have won it hands down. The points deduction from the Thai boxer was disgraceful.

However Zhou is a three time World Champion also.

I remember once when a ****stani was the President of the International Boxing Association ****stani boxes won a lot of medals at the South Asian Games by extremely controversial decisions. It was so hilarious that the spectators started booing them.

Boxing is one of the easiest sports to fix. A Korean won a Gold Medal at the 1988 Olympics quite controversially.

 

[Cyivel]

Aye, Roy Jones Jr got utterly screwed out of a gold medal, the guy that won apologised to him and the judges were sacked later on.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

More proof of the always existing sprint domination of Jamaica (better genes, etc.).

4x100 relay (best times in olympic cycles USA vs. JAM)

2012 (London): 37.04 // 36.84
2008-2011: 37.45 // 37.04
2004-2007: 37.59 // 37.89
2000-2003: 37.61 // 38.20
1996-1999: 37.59 // 38.82
1992-1995: 37.40 // 38.64
1988-1991: 37.50 // 38.45
1984-1987: 37.83 // 38.41
1980-1983: 37.86 // 38.75
1976-1979: 38.03 // 39.33
1972-1975: 38.19 // 39.9 m
1968-1971: 38.24 A // 38.39 A

So USA improved inch by inch from 38.2 to 37.4 up to 2012. In London they finally hit full stride in the dope arms race w/Jamaica, bombing their record down from 37.40 to 37.04. That´s 0.36 seconds in one year. To improve double as much (0.84 seconds) they still needed 25 years!

But that´s nothing compared to Jamaica. They had a hard time to match their high altitude record of 1968 at Mexico City (38.4). Until 2006 they had a best of 38.20. They improved by 0.19 seconds in 39 years. But from 2007 on (starting with a 37.89 in Osaka) until today they improved their former record (the said 38.20) by an truly unbelievable 1.36 seconds in just 5 years. Seems all jamaican sprinters learned the high leg lift and hard training in the past few years.

What happened to the superior genes for 4 decades? Were they hiding or sleeping, and then set free with a nuclear test blast or what? The guys who go with the "superior genes theory" can answer that easily, right?

 

[JetSet]

I wouldn't read too much into that, if you look at the sprint relay stats, apart from the world records set in both the womens and mens 4x100 there were no fewer than 4 National records in the mens event and 6 National records in the womens event.


Pete

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

I am not reading too much into it. Only heavy doping. That´s all...

 

[TheInternet]

So USA improved inch by inch from 38.2 to 37.4 up to 2012.

The USA improved inch by inch up until 2011. Then somewhere between July 20th and August 11th, the USA stumbled upon the Jamaican formula and picked up a half second improvement.

 

[Kennf1]

jfgi'd


I only had the hCG reference earlier, but the reason why Ferrari, a GYNAECOLOGIST was so successful as a doping doctor is becoming more and more evident.

Ferrari is a hematologist. Fuentes (Operation Puerto) was the gynaecologist.

 

[the big ring]

Ferrari is a hematologist. Fuentes (Operation Puerto) was the gynaecologist.

My bad. Thanks.

 

[D-Queued]

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Seems all jamaican sprinters learned the high leg lift and hard training in the past few years.

What happened to the superior genes for 4 decades? Were they hiding or sleeping, and then set free with a nuclear test blast or what? The guys who go with the "superior genes theory" can answer that easily, right?

You missed my reference up thread.

Genes only express themselves in the most recent generation.

Your data confirms that Jamaicans have been able to advance their genetics at a spectacular rate compared to the overall human population.

Not only have they made great advances, but they have done this with a much shorter generational gap - moving to less than 10 years between generations.

These two factors confirm how superior the Jamaican genome is: higher generation:generation advancement, and shorter generation:generation spacing.

The third, and most impressive factor, is how they can share the genetic improvements through osmosis from one athlete to another.

You can see the high leg lifts expressed in Weir and Blake, both unrelated to Bolt.

If you are struggling to perceive this, it could be that something is wrong with your vision. Try correcting your eyesight with a combination of 3D glasses, beer goggles and a magnifying glass.

Everything should become very clear.

Dave.