The undying loyalty to Lance is a little absurd. The guy is incredible, menatlly tougher than most men and as physically fit as anybody we will ever see on a bike. But to think that a 37yr old in a sport where 34 is 'getting long in the tooth' can just drop back on the scene and win the TdF is delusional at best. Is he one of the top 10 riders in the world right now - absolutely. Is he in the same all around league as the Saxo twins or AC - no. And that is ok. Its called life. There is nothing anybody on Astana 'did' to cause him to lose time. Its called carmps, loss of a few weeks of training, and age. Oh and there is the best all around rider in the world on his team too. Lance is incredible, but I get tired of the folks that would come out of his nose if he stopped short. Face the facts, it is 2009 not 2003. People should quit vilifying everyone else cause there fairy tale is not working out.