Wheels Go Round and Round said:
And you are a super pro who has ridden with armstrong and knows just sooooo much more about cycling than anyone ever in the history of the universe.
And you are a super pro who has ridden with armstrong and knows just sooooo much more about cycling than anyone ever in the history of the universe.
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Mellow Velo said:Over the 3rd cat. Lead now 11 minutes.
53 agrees with me!
Only on this one, MV. Don't get cocky. Interesting (or not) that the group that passed me at 26k to go was largely intact at 3k to go.
I do not subscribe to the vast conspiracy theory of yours!!
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I am wondering, both Armstrong and Bruyneel admit that attacking wasn't the plan.
Contador attacked, and now, after the fact, we know it wasn't the plan
Why would first the other captain of the team as well as the DS admit that Contador's attack wasn't planned out, while the attack clearly improved AST position re other contenders. Contador put 20s on other contenders who didn't make up any time, while they were behind. On first sight, that looks like a victory to the team (assuming Contador didn't waste too much energy in the last 2k, so that it'll affect his performance over 3 weeks).
Bruyneel and Armstrong know a bit about PR and dealing with the press.
'Not planned, excellent outcome'. However, we did not know that the former.
Given the continuous reports about infighting, why wouldn't they want to defuse it and state that it had been the plan. In other words, why would they have stated that Contador did not act in accordance with supposed team tactics, while they could have used it to their advantage and spin the perception that everything was swell within the team...
Why not protect Contador, who is on your team as one of the team captains?
Contador attacked, and now, after the fact, we know it wasn't the plan
Why would first the other captain of the team as well as the DS admit that Contador's attack wasn't planned out, while the attack clearly improved AST position re other contenders. Contador put 20s on other contenders who didn't make up any time, while they were behind. On first sight, that looks like a victory to the team (assuming Contador didn't waste too much energy in the last 2k, so that it'll affect his performance over 3 weeks).
Bruyneel and Armstrong know a bit about PR and dealing with the press.
'Not planned, excellent outcome'. However, we did not know that the former.
Given the continuous reports about infighting, why wouldn't they want to defuse it and state that it had been the plan. In other words, why would they have stated that Contador did not act in accordance with supposed team tactics, while they could have used it to their advantage and spin the perception that everything was swell within the team...
Why not protect Contador, who is on your team as one of the team captains?
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Bala Verde said:
Has there actually been a quote from Bruyneel? Everything I have read seems to have come from the post-race interview from Armstrong. I would imagine that being in the media crowd after 6+ hours of riding and a mountaintop finish, maybe setting up a PR strategy wasn't the first priority at the time, and Armstrong was just speaking his mind.
With only 2 seconds separating LA/AC, LA will have to try to follow AC if he attacks again. He wont be able to afford to lose anymore time to AC if wants to win. That's the big question, will AC attack again before the Alps?
Is AC making a mistake by attacking to soon?
Is AC making a mistake by attacking to soon?
thoughtforyou
TFF is a forum hero who is always right and we should just all think like him so the positive energy will flow into his hero's aura.
along the lines of "lance blows - that hyper-doped maggot doesn't deserve to lick the great TFF's sweaty shorts"
Wheels Go Round and Round said:I remember you saying Lance would be exposed today?
TFF is a forum hero who is always right and we should just all think like him so the positive energy will flow into his hero's aura.
along the lines of "lance blows - that hyper-doped maggot doesn't deserve to lick the great TFF's sweaty shorts"
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Azdak6 said:
That's what Bruyneel told sporza. He said he 'was surprised by Contador attacking'
in dutch
and the interview on Sporza here
frizzlefry said:
Why attack it's all down hill finishes. Unless you fall apart on one of the climbs and lose 3-4 minutes anyone dropped has a chance to come back to the leaders on the downhill and it would be just a waste of energy to attack unless you want to go for a stage win. Which is more likely for the riders that are 8-10 minutes off the lead and have no chance in getting even a top 30.
Thoughtforfood said:
No but I am sure I have raced at a higher level than you but then again we have established that you are indeed an Internet douchebag
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In other news A.Shleck said he could have caught Contador but Conti was aided by the motorbikes at the start of this attack.... I watched a re-run and he's right. Contador was aided by the bikes for about half a minute. Enough to get a lead.... link to follow...
whiteboytrash said:
Andy didn't see the entire astana team right behind him when he made the attempt?
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dadoorsron said:
Just telling like Andy told it. Andy is strong.
video at the bottom of page: http://tour-de-france.velonews.com/...-armstrong-says-contador-attack-was-unplanned
I was thinking that as soon as AC entered that first corner behind the moto.whiteboytrash said:
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I assume its NOT the riders job avoid motos that are pacing ahead of you...?
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dgodave said:
Shleck said as much. That it wasn't Contador's fault but that of the organisations for having friggin motorbikes all over the road.
Thoughtforfood said:
Is it your goal to be the biggest douchebag on this site?
If so, you win.
Way to go...
whiteboytrash said:
He made and attempt to get away from 3 strong astana riders and got sucked back up pretty quickly. Hey atleast he had a look up the road for a few seconds.
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Bala Verde said:
+1...
The big question is what is JB up to?
If its all about team Astana then what Alberto did tactically is smart - gained time on all GC contenders. Now Astana - with LA & AC- have an envious gap on all the other's.
But it appears that he is not happy with todays move - which suggests that it is all about team Lance.
Dr. Maserati said:
No it's about why make a move like that when it wasn't needed. Unless he rides off on all the contenders on Ventoux this effort really doesn't do anything.
Bala Verde said:
Because, I believe, JB plans (AST) is not to win the TDF with AC but with LA. And the only way they could do that is sandbagging AC, which is clearly what they tried to do today. If LA could have followed AC he would have done it (like he did with Heras in 2002) but he could not.
I don't buy the wind/tactic BS comments by LA, if AC would have attacked at the bottom he would have arrived with 1 30 - 2 min advantage. This is the same climb where Ulrich gained a minute or two on Pantani and Virenque during the tour 97 by attacking at the hard hairpin section at the bottom.
This tour is BS, AC is by far the strongest guy in the race but he would probably end up losing the race to LA due to internal team orders.
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