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Teams & Riders Official Wout Van Aert thread

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You have no way of knowing this, but I respect that you have this belief. Time will tell.

As for Cancellara, I have no repsect for his wins, as 2 of them were the result of having an e-bike, when others didn't. I respect nothing about him or any of his wins.
I have no way of knowing this, which is why i said "likely". But with modern science & technology, it is a fact that it is much easier to have an athlete perform to his fullest potential much faster and more efficiently. And i doubt, at nearly 29 years of age, he will grow stronger physically than he is now. I can't know for sure, i can not prove it, but at this age, he should be at his peak.

PS: i got banned for a month for insinuating a rider was doping, if someone reports you, you're out.
 
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Was he worse in Sanremo than last year? Not really. Was he worse in E3 compared to the field without Van der Poel and Pogi than last year? Nope.
Hmm, and yet, I'm pretty certain I've seen a stronger Van Aert than this year. Ok he'll never have the same explosive uphill attack Vd Poel has or Pogi as he is more of a diesel. But He lost quite a lot of meters on Kruisberg in only a 15s effort which is very not Van Aert.
 
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I have no way of knowing this, which is why i said "likely". But with modern science & technology, it is a fact that it is much easier to have an athlete perform to his fullest potential much faster and more efficiently. And i doubt, at nearly 29 years of age, he will grow stronger physically than he is now. I can't know for sure, i can not prove it, but at this age, he should be at his peak.

PS: i got banned for a month for insinuating a rider was doping, if someone reports you, you're out.

I understand your point, and do not agree that you even have to be at peak form to win a cycling race, particularly a race like Roubaix. I believe (and certainly hope) that Wout has Monument wins in his future.

As for my comment about Cancellara, I believe he used a motor, if that warrants a ban, it does, but in the context of this discussion, I believe it is relevant if we are talking about making comparisons between him and Wout, as I do not believe two of those monument wins are legitimate, but I do appreciate your warning.
 
8 TdF stages 7 monuments, 2 Olympic Golds, and 4 WC ITT golds?

This frankly doesn't really compute.

Yeah, let's compare the fruits of a 5 year road career with a 16 year one. "For the sake of balance" again, I'm sure.

Fortunately, it only helps to illustrate the critical point.


How many of those Cancellera wins came from TdF bunch sprints or high mountain stages? Or from cyclocross races against the world's elite?

Cancellera was a great specialist, with all the limitations of one.

That's why in all those 16 seasons, he only finished twice in the PCS season top ten. 3rd in 2008, and 8th in 2010. Quite pathetic.

Meanwhile, Wout has been in the top 3 for three years running now.

No comparison indeed. Wout makes Cancellera look like a one dimensional watts donkey.,
 
I'm just stating your exact argument.

No you didn't.

I said:

Van Aert's dominant performances across all terrains in just the last Tour de France, trump anything Cancellara was ever capable of.

Well said indeed. Cancellera in 16 years never remotely came close to winning the green jersey, or shining in the high mountains, let alone doing both at the same time.

then you replied

Do 10 TdF stages really trump 8 TdF stages 7 monuments, 2 Olympic Golds, and 4 WC ITT golds?

What? Did Wout win 10 stages in the 2022 Tour?

"exact" indeed.

Stop posting please.

This frankly doesn't really compute.

Yes.
 
Cancellera was a great specialist, with all the limitations of one.

That's why in all those 16 seasons, he only finished twice in the PCS season top ten. 3rd in 2008, and 8th in 2010. Quite pathetic.

Meanwhile, Wout has been in the top 3 for three years running now.

No comparison indeed. Wout makes Cancellera look like a one dimensional watts donkey
Yes it's true that most pro cyclists want to be top points scorers on an arbitrary website's point ranking system.

That's what made them pursue the sport as kids.

They didn't want to win grand tours, monuments or wolrd championships, they wanted to get high points score in PCS which is all that matters for this sport.

Remco did a world championships win, monument win and vuelta win in the same season, but van aert (no big wins)scored more points PCS. I know which season I would rather have .
 
It's true that Van Aert likely won't improve physically anymore, but he doesn't need to. He has already proved that he can stick with VDP, but it seems people forget easily.

If you are good enough to lose by a couple of centimeters then you are good enough to win it too. These short explosive efforts on RVV climbs suit VDP a bit better but he can do it.
The problem is: he doesn't only need to follow MVP anymore. I really think if he focus on him, he can do it. However, Pogi showed he is a different beast in Ronde and for me he was even stronger this year compared to last year. And If you ask me If WVA can follow Pogi? I'm sure the answer is no. Not this mutant I saw in this race.
 
The problem is: he doesn't only need to follow MVP anymore. I really think if he focus on him, he can do it. However, Pogi showed he is a different beast in Ronde and for me he was even stronger this year compared to last year. And If you ask me If WVA can follow Pogi? I'm sure the answer is no. Not this mutant I saw in this race.
It's also possible Pog choses to focus on other races next year after winning RVV.
 
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Yes it's true that most pro cyclists want to be top points scorers on an arbitrary website's point ranking system.

That's what made them pursue the sport as kids.

They didn't want to win grand tours, monuments or wolrd championships, they wanted to get high points score in PCS which is all that matters for this sport.

Way to miss the point.

But thanks for the amazing insight that athletes want to win prestigious races, 'maistro'.

Perhaps next you can help solve the big mystery whether there's air or sand in bicycle tyres?