Teams & Riders Official Wout Van Aert thread

[Open Horizon]

That's just their respective strengths: Van der Poel is more explosive, Van Aert is less likely to give up. But ultimately Van Aert's problem is that he lacks that extra gear in his biggest targets of the season, for whatever reason.

Yea. Van Aert is always strong, Van der Poel is just super strong on the right moments. Perhaps that makes Van Aert look weaker than he is on the big occassions.

 

[vwpe]

or its just that MVDP is simply stronger and have a higher power outbut than WVA which only the results the last 10 years proves.. I dont know but it might just be that...


haha i swear some people on here dont watch cycling or they dont like the results their given time after time for whatever reason its wierd. Yes Van Aert is super strong just happens that MVDP is stronger it really isnt any more to it than that regardless if that doesnt fit the narrative someone like or not thats just the results over 10 years.

If its somewhat hurtfull your always allowed to debate it and just ignore the past 10 years and the actually results on the road if it makes you feel better chappou. Think im gonne go argue that thor hushovd was better than tom boonen now cause i liked thor hushovd so thats what im gonne do now.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

It's 2023. Google translate and ChatGPT can perfectly compensate your own ignorance.

So I presume you speak every language then ? since not being able to speak Dutch qualifies as 'ignorance'. I don't speak Luthuanian, am I ignorant for this??? Nothing wrong with @noob sharing another article

 

[dobrien]

Not the Pogacar we saw last sunday that's for sure but I don't expect he will show up in this kind of form every year (if he even shows up). He just needs to maintain his current level and big wins will come automatically. Even though 2 guys were better he was still much, much stronger than the rest of the field. No reason to panic at all.

I wouldn't say he was 'much, much stronger' when he wasn't even able to win the sprint for the podium.

 

[Open Horizon]

So I presume you speak every language then ? since not being able to speak Dutch qualifies as 'ignorance'. I don't speak Luthuanian, am I ignorant for this??? Nothing wrong with @noob sharing another article

I have a feeling your 'Luthuanian' is better than your English, tough.

 

[Open Horizon]

or its just that MVDP is simply stronger and have a higher power outbut than WVA which only the results the last 10 years proves.. I dont know but it might just be that...


haha i swear some people on here dont watch cycling or they dont like the results their given time after time for whatever reason its wierd. Yes Van Aert is super strong just happens that MVDP is stronger it really isnt any more to it than that regardless if that doesnt fit the narrative someone like or not thats just the results over 10 years.

If its somewhat hurtfull your always allowed to debate it and just ignore the past 10 years and the actually results on the road if it makes you feel better chappou. Think im gonne go argue that thor hushovd was better than tom boonen now cause i liked thor hushovd so thats what im gonne do now.

I'm a huge MvdP fan, and I cheer for Wout to lose very race, but it's a fact Wout is stronger in some areas, like long mountain climbs where these is no time for recovery.

 

[jono]

I'm a huge MvdP fan, and I cheer for Wout to lose very race, but it's a fact Wout is stronger in some areas, like long mountain climbs where these is no time for recovery.

And cx courses in tractor pull mud where you have to stay on the gas the whole time.

 

[Didinho]

And cx courses in tractor pull mud where you have to stay on the gas the whole time.

Mathieu has also proved he can win in the mud, it's most in combination with the running.

And yeah Wout is better after a couple days in a GT for example. But we haven't seen Mathieu with a good prep for the Tour, hopefully this year. He was even many days on the attack even without a good basis/condition. He can't pull on the high mountains, but he can do a lot better than we've ever seen. He just doesn't need to, no GC leader. Wanna see him try once in a mountain stage with the early break.

 

[proffate]

mvdp just wants it more. Simple. Gives 111%.

 

[tobydawq]

mvdp just wants it more. Simple. Gives 111%.

100% is max.

 

[Bolder]

100% is max.

His 100% goes to 110%.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

or its just that MVDP is simply stronger and have a higher power outbut than WVA which only the results the last 10 years proves..

It is certainly not that, because we basically know Van Aert has a higher watt output. But he also weighs more, certainly during winter/spring.

 

[proffate]

100% is max.

for WVA

 

[RedheadDane]

100% is max.

Well, if you have one cake: 100% cake, and you get another cake, then you have 200% cake. Your previous cake does not suddenly become 50% cake.
It is, however, 50% of your total "cake-holding".
See? I can do math!

 

[tobydawq]

Well, if you have one cake: 100% cake, and you get another cake, then you have 200% cake. Your previous cake does not suddenly become 50% cake.
It is, however, 50% of your total "cake-holding".
See? I can do math!

While the penultimate sentence is true, I don't think what you wrote above makes much sense. When talking percentages, it's always in relation to something, so yes, if you get another cake, the former 100% cake does indeed become 50%.

Further, cake logic is not applicable on ability logic, I'm afraid.

 

[theyoungest]

Belgian tv wondering if Van Baarle is prepared to work 200% for Wout van Aert... you can't make this stuff up. The defending champion has to sacrifice himself completely for the guy who has never won a cobbled monument. I think it's not even in the interest of Van Aert if that's the case.

Vandegoor: "Rijdt Van Baarle 200 procent in dienst van Van Aert of is hij wisselkopman?" | sporza

De koers van de laatste kans. Als Wout van Aert dit seizoen nog een monument op zijn palmares wil zetten, moet hij in Parijs-Roubaix triomferen op de velodroom. Hoe liggen de kansen voor de kopman van Jumbo-Visma? Commentator Christophe Vandegoor wikt en weegt zijn kansen.

sporza.be

 

[Pantani_lives]

or its just that MVDP is simply stronger and have a higher power outbut than WVA which only the results the last 10 years proves.. I dont know but it might just be that...

Or you have a selective memory.

 

[LookProGoSlow]

I have a feeling your 'Luthuanian' is better than your English, tough.

OMG, to correct someone and get it wrong yourself is the most hilarious thing. It is 'though', not tough.

 

[rallybanana]

While the penultimate sentence is true, I don't think what you wrote above makes much sense. When talking percentages, it's always in relation to something, so yes, if you get another cake, the former 100% cake does indeed become 50%.

Further, cake logic is not applicable on ability logic, I'm afraid.

That's not 100% true, especially with regard to Paris-Roubaix. I read an article in Cycling Weekly where Roger De Vlaeminck said he would eat a lot of cakes in the days before Paris-Roubaix. Apparently, the cakes gave him extra energy during the race.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Belgian tv wondering if Van Baarle is prepared to work 200% for Wout van Aert... you can't make this stuff up. The defending champion has to sacrifice himself completely for the guy who has never won a cobbled monument. I think it's not even in the interest of Van Aert if that's the case.

Vandegoor: "Rijdt Van Baarle 200 procent in dienst van Van Aert of is hij wisselkopman?" | sporza

De koers van de laatste kans. Als Wout van Aert dit seizoen nog een monument op zijn palmares wil zetten, moet hij in Parijs-Roubaix triomferen op de velodroom. Hoe liggen de kansen voor de kopman van Jumbo-Visma? Commentator Christophe Vandegoor wikt en weegt zijn kansen.

sporza.be

Van Baarle crashed last week and wasn't able to start in RVV because of it. The fact that he wasn't able to start in RVV, meaning he was hurt enough to stay off the bike, makes it a quite a normal question, especially since Vandegoor, unlike your claim (unsurprisingly), didn't ask if Van Baarle is WILLING to work, but simply if he will start as a certified helper or as a co-leader. But anything to help you push your known narrative.

In basically every previous analysis on Sporza, prior to Van Baarle's crash, was said that he did not come as a domestique for Van Aert.

 

[theyoungest]

Van Baarle crashed last week and wasn't able to start in RVV because of it. The fact that he wasn't able to start in RVV, meaning he was hurt enough to stay off the bike, makes it a quite a normal question, especially since Vandegoor, unlike your claim (unsurprisingly), didn't ask if Van Baarle is WILLING to work, but simply if he will start as a certified helper or as a co-leader. But anything to help you push your known narrative.

In basically every previous analysis on Sporza, prior to Van Baarle's crash, was said that he did not come as a domestique for Van Aert.

Maar de interessantste vraag gaat over de rol van Dylan van Baarle, de winnaar van vorig jaar die hersteld is van zijn val in de E3. Zal hij 200 procent in dienst rijden van Van Aert of is hij is de wisselkopman?

I'm sorry, but this doesn't say anything about being willing to work. It asks the question whether he'll ride 200% in service of Van Aert, or whether he's co-leader. Now why would you ask this question, if we (as it literally says) assume he's recovered from his crash?

 

[Ricco']

But we haven't seen Mathieu with a good prep for the Tour, hopefully this year.

I don't think anything was wrong with the preparation for the 2021 Tour. He had a very good Tour de Suisse with 2 strong stage wins and then that awesome 1st week. The biggest troubles came after that Tour.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

I'm sorry, but this doesn't say anything about being willing to work. It asks the question whether he'll ride 200% in service of Van Aert, or whether he's co-leader. Now why would you ask this question, if we (as it literally says) assume he's recovered from his crash?

That was exactly my point. Van Baarle crashed and did not ride RVV. He was wondering whether he will be going as a helper or a leader. Yet you turn it into Vandegoor asking whether Van Baarle is "prepared" to work (=willing). As if Sporza is demanding his allegiance. I especially thought your "The defending champion has to sacrifice himself completely for the guy who has never won a cobbled monument" was particularly funny and revealing.

 

[dusty red roads]

Why does one of MVDP/WVA have to be "better" than the other? Let's just celebrate and enjoy that they're both racing at the same time in this day and age!

 

[Berniece]

Why does one of MVDP/WVA have to be "better" than the other? Let's just celebrate and enjoy that they're both racing at the same time in this day and age!

Because if you’re a fan of someone you don’t want people to say someone else is equally good when you think this isn’t the case at all.