O'Grady non-confession-confession confession

[GoGarmin]

Fun thread. Stuey getting what he deserves.

 

[sittingbison]

Fun thread. Stuey getting what he deserves.

This is the real problem though....Tyler said just yesterday at a conference here in Perth how vital it was a T&R cleared the air in cycling so it could expunge the demons and genuinely progress, yet if the riders get lambasted, ridiculed and sacked they will remain tight lipped.

Stuey did a "managed" confession hoping it would be enough to get him out of the stew. Wrong decision, his management has completely misread current public sentiments, he really should have broken omerta and opened up completely, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. He would have retained some of his reputation, garnered some sympathy perhaps, if he manned up. Alas he has not, and lost everything.

 

[Galic Ho]

Whilst it was 15 years ago that he claims that he took EPO and it was the only time he doped, and even if I was to accept this (which I have deep concerns over), the thing I can't accept and even forgive O'Grady is the fact that he lied in his interview for the Vance Report only about 6 months ago in that he hadn't in effect taken any PEDs during his career.

It appears that O'Grady only decided to come clean because this French Senate Report post TDF was going to name him a doper, so he decided to retire but not before he took at least 6 months pay riding for Greenedge.

Just leave the forum and never come back. For everyone's sake.

Every Clinic 12 member here knew a LONG LONG LONG time ago O'Grady was doping. We all got over it. No forgiveness, no acceptance? Man that is pathetic and sad.

You are so far behind the times it isn't funny. Should we all forgive or accept your ridiculous stance and way out of date views? Yes, we should. But that does not mean we won't stand up and tell you to pull your head in and get with the times.

I was in year 6 when a ton of pro cyclists came to my home town in NSW for a race. Lots of European riders. A very young, about 21 years old at the time I believe, Aussie rider called Stuart O'Grady talked to us. I remember it quite well because he was the only rider I can name who I remember seeing. On the national track team at the time, riding for a pro team. Looking back now, I'd wager most of the riders that day back in 1994 were on EPO or about to get on it within the next year or two. Yet here you are shocked and not accepting.

This is pro cycling. Pro Sports. They play by their own rules. The Festina positives were held back so as not to tarnish the 100th Edition of the Tour with 15 year old positives for a guy still racing. That's it. Yes, call Stuart O'Grady out for his clear lies, but he's no more evil than most of pro cycling. Acquire some perspective FFS. When Tomo makes more sense than you, that's a clue your viewpoint is full of $h1t!

 

[Galic Ho]

What I wanna know is, how many times did Stuey Mate race high on Eccy?

That wasn't the only thing Stuey raced on. What I wanna know is what he and Andy were really doing in that Vuelta in 2010 late at night! I reckon some of Tommeke's old past times might have been at play.

 

[observer]

Just leave the forum and never come back. For everyone's sake.

Every Clinic 12 member here knew a LONG LONG LONG time ago O'Grady was doping. We all got over it. No forgiveness, no acceptance? Man that is pathetic and sad.

You are so far behind the times it isn't funny. Should we all forgive or accept your ridiculous stance and way out of date views? Yes, we should. But that does not mean we won't stand up and tell you to pull your head in and get with the times.

I was in year 6 when a ton of pro cyclists came to my home town in NSW for a race. Lots of European riders. A very young, about 21 years old at the time I believe, Aussie rider called Stuart O'Grady talked to us. I remember it quite well because he was the only rider I can name who I remember seeing. On the national track team at the time, riding for a pro team. Looking back now, I'd wager most of the riders that day back in 1994 were on EPO or about to get on it within the next year or two. Yet here you are shocked and not accepting.

This is pro cycling. Pro Sports. They play by their own rules. The Festina positives were held back so as not to tarnish the 100th Edition of the Tour with 15 year old positives for a guy still racing. That's it. Yes, call Stuart O'Grady out for his clear lies, but he's no more evil than most of pro cycling. Acquire some perspective FFS. When Tomo makes more sense than you, that's a clue your viewpoint is full of $h1t!

It could be that some people haven't been following cycling for all that long, and only had a shorter time frame to make a judgement on someone's guilt, perhaps not looking into the history of the rider or sport, only taking into account recent couple of years.

 

[simo1733]

I wonder what you would have to do to get sacked from OGE.

 

[Galic Ho]

It could be that some people haven't been following cycling for all that long, and only had a shorter time frame to make a judgement on someone's guilt, perhaps not looking into the history of the rider or sport, only taking into account recent couple of years.

Nah, I am willing to consider that for some. Some. But those folk change their tune quickly. The really bright ones who can see the truth for what it is all follow a similar trend. They read up in the Clinic, digest, question, get perspective then they comment.

The people who feed off the lies, like darwin556 pop up on here and are all pro team Sky and are oh so vocal in support of the newest big name doper who is pulling the wool over their eyes. They are like that from the get go. Because let's face it, based off of what this person posted, until the news about O'Grady from 98, they more than likely believed he was clean. Will they have the same fervent anger and unrighteous condemnation for Sky, Froome and Porte when they have a semi confessional like Stuey? darwin556 isn't here to learn or discover the truth. They are here to get a high from barracking for the latest fraud. So far out of the loop it isn't funny.

It's like last year with Lance. So many people were shocked. I simply said 'tell me something I don't already know.' The target audience for selling a well orchestrated lie, are people like darwin556, because they are the believers who never question unless the writing is literally on the wall. The ones who mistake darkness for light. Without them, doping wouldn't be enabled as much as it is. This new 'clean' era would just be what it is...a continuation of the long held doping system entrenched in many pro sports from the higher echelons down to the athletes.

 

[BroDeal]

I wonder what you would have to do to get sacked from OGE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGTYgRh-PI8

 

[blackcat]

I wonder what you would have to do to get sacked from OGE.

run off with Gerry Ryan's 20 yo mistress would be a start

 

[blackcat]

how 'bout this for starters.

dont apportion guilt.

athletes dont = guilt
default position. pro athlete = doping. no character judgement or value judgement. not binary good or bad.

It could be that some people haven't been following cycling for all that long, and only had a shorter time frame to make a judgement on someone's guilt, perhaps not looking into the history of the rider or sport, only taking into account recent couple of years.

Nah, I am willing to consider that for some. Some. But those folk change their tune quickly. The really bright ones who can see the truth for what it is all follow a similar trend. They read up in the Clinic, digest, question, get perspective then they comment.

The people who feed off the lies, like darwin556 pop up on here and are all pro team Sky and are oh so vocal in support of the newest big name doper who is pulling the wool over their eyes. They are like that from the get go. Because let's face it, based off of what this person posted, until the news about O'Grady from 98, they more than likely believed he was clean. Will they have the same fervent anger and unrighteous condemnation for Sky, Froome and Porte when they have a semi confessional like Stuey? darwin556 isn't here to learn or discover the truth. They are here to get a high from barracking for the latest fraud. So far out of the loop it isn't funny.

It's like last year with Lance. So many people were shocked. I simply said 'tell me something I don't already know.' The target audience for selling a well orchestrated lie, are people like darwin556, because they are the believers who never question unless the writing is literally on the wall. The ones who mistake darkness for light. Without them, doping wouldn't be enabled as much as it is. This new 'clean' era would just be what it is...a continuation of the long held doping system entrenched in many pro sports from the higher echelons down to the athletes.

 

[blackcat]

hey are like that from the get go. Because let's face it, based off of what this person posted, until the news about O'Grady from 98, they more than likely believed he was clean.

the funnier thing is, they believe he only doped once. and was caught retroactively on that occasion.

stuey must be the most unlecky ranga on the planet

 

[sittingbison]

run off with Gerry Ryan's 20 yo mistress would be a start

****** that, just run off with Jeri Ryan

 

[Benotti69]

I wonder what you would have to do to get sacked from OGE.

Urinate in their beer

 

[blackcat]

genius SB^

pre-nup? or looking at the latex, pre-nip?

 

[Galic Ho]

the funnier thing is, they believe he only doped once. and was caught retroactively on that occasion.

stuey must be the most unlecky ranga on the planet

Hahaha. Oh that tickles. Well almost.

Your other comment was spot on. Default position. Simply assume pro sports are what they are. Dope fests.

It's like these people forget Stuey rode for Cofidis which was the 'cleanest' French team of the 90s and early naughties and that nobody ever doped at CSC. Ever. Only Bjarne did and that was when he was riding for Telekom. Honest truth right?

BTW good call Bison. Good call. Having Jeri Ryan for season 4 of Voyager saw the series ratings jump over 50%. Cycling needs some of that IMO.

 

[skippy]

Had Stuey & others taken a look at this : http://t.co/iA5i79KUNY

It is possible that this thread would never have happened `?

Seeing up thread that Travis T. was in Perth calling for a " T & R " , suggests that the time is arriving when it will be the only option on the table ?

At present the IOC is looking really SICK , with Sochi & Rio Events all looking Nightmarish , what with Jamacans , Baseball and Turks ALL doing their best to outdo the " dear leader of UCI , jim burn (aka phat the rat 9 , emulating Mugabe and whatsit from Nth korea !

Seems the German seeking the job , Jacques Rogge is currently occupying , is also intent on dragging SPORT thru the mire ?

42 on the UCI Management Committee , ALL but one owing each other favours ! Singing to the tune of " 10 green bottles " , we eventually arrive at a woman !

When the UCI has the ability to " Clean House " , it will be because they booted both candidates for Firenze and decided that ONLY a woman can do the HouseCleaning !

 

[blackcat]

i dont think you can house clean.

i think the phenomena is determined. it is bigger than doping in sport.

sports doping merely a symptom eh

 

[darwin553]

Nah, I am willing to consider that for some. Some. But those folk change their tune quickly. The really bright ones who can see the truth for what it is all follow a similar trend. They read up in the Clinic, digest, question, get perspective then they comment.

The people who feed off the lies, like darwin556 pop up on here and are all pro team Sky and are oh so vocal in support of the newest big name doper who is pulling the wool over their eyes. They are like that from the get go. Because let's face it, based off of what this person posted, until the news about O'Grady from 98, they more than likely believed he was clean. Will they have the same fervent anger and unrighteous condemnation for Sky, Froome and Porte when they have a semi confessional like Stuey? darwin556 isn't here to learn or discover the truth. They are here to get a high from barracking for the latest fraud. So far out of the loop it isn't funny.

It's like last year with Lance. So many people were shocked. I simply said 'tell me something I don't already know.' The target audience for selling a well orchestrated lie, are people like darwin556, because they are the believers who never question unless the writing is literally on the wall. The ones who mistake darkness for light. Without them, doping wouldn't be enabled as much as it is. This new 'clean' era would just be what it is...a continuation of the long held doping system entrenched in many pro sports from the higher echelons down to the athletes.

Darwin553 thank you very much. Get it right

I bow to your almighty foresight that you are able to pick the dopers a mile away. You should get a job with WADA

 

[darwin553]

Nah, I am willing to consider that for some. Some. But those folk change their tune quickly. The really bright ones who can see the truth for what it is all follow a similar trend. They read up in the Clinic, digest, question, get perspective then they comment.

I am a self-proclaimed turncoat. I'd admit that and I'm happy to do so. I change my view on these riders who are proved to be dopers or have admitted to be so because I'm cautious not to label every rider that puts in a 'super-human' performance a doper. My background and education tells me this that if you can't reach a threshold that I am satisfied with (positive test results, admission, other riders' testimony) no rider should be branded a doper until that threshold is met. Once it is, all bets are off but until then I will happily play defence lawyer.

 

[Galic Ho]

Then enjoy your stay in the Clinic. You'll be whipping material for the Clinic 12 for a very long time with that stance. The Clinic's record on picking dopers...pretty damn good. You'd bet a lot of money on it if you hit the tables at Vegas.

But like I said if you followed cycling well enough and questioned, you'd not be mad at O'Grady because you'd have run the numbers and the odds he went through his entire career and NEVER doped...yeah, not something the wise bank on. EVER.

 

[darwin553]

Then enjoy your stay in the Clinic. You'll be whipping material for the Clinic 12 for a very long time with that stance. The Clinic's record on picking dopers...pretty damn good. You'd bet a lot of money on it if you hit the tables at Vegas.

But like I said if you followed cycling well enough and questioned, you'd not be mad at O'Grady because you'd have run the numbers and the odds he went through his entire career and NEVER doped...yeah, not something the wise bank on. EVER.

What's the clinic 12? It's not some inner sanctum of members who think their opinion is somehow superior to others due to some pedestal that they believe they have been placed on, is it?

 

[Galic Ho]

Would you like me to quote what you just wrote about Usain Bolt being full natty in the Gay/Powell thread?

Come on dude, give it a rest. You ain't fooling anyone around here. The Clinic has been around the block so many times we already know how this beat and rhythm go.

You do know that it's not safe to drink the bong water right? Lay off the turps whilst on the forum. That's your free tip quickie for tonight!

 

[darwin553]

Would you like me to quote what you just wrote about Usain Bolt being full natty in the Gay/Powell thread?

Come on dude, give it a rest. You ain't fooling anyone around here. The Clinic has been around the block so many times we already know how this beat and rhythm go.

You do know that it's not safe to drink the bong water right? Lay off the turps whilst on the forum. That's your free tip quickie for tonight!

Let me guess you think Bolt is doped up too

YOu just embrace mediocrity in life champ you will be right

 

[Galic Ho]

I've told you before to brush up on the old threads. Bolt was discussed in detail years ago.

But you try and convince everyone that because he has more muscle mass and longer levers that he doesn't need more power to hit top speed than the shorter and lighter guys. I'm sure you'll find a scientific paper out there, maybe one by Ed Coyle, that will support your unsound reasoning.

Meanwhile, the forum will have a good old laugh once again courtesy of you. Cheers and good night!

 

[darwin553]

I've told you before to brush up on the old threads. Bolt was discussed in detail years ago.

But you try and convince everyone that because he has more muscle mass and longer levers that he doesn't need more power to hit top speed than the shorter and lighter guys. I'm sure you'll find a scientific paper out there, maybe one by Ed Coyle, that will support your unsound reasoning.

Meanwhile, the forum will have a good old laugh once again courtesy of you. Cheers and good night!

I look forward to Bolt being proved to be a doper then