Olympics Doping Thread

[Cannibal72]

So, I'm sure that this has been discussed to death already, but are there PEDs which can improve technique, small motor skills, accuracy etc.? Or is shooting the only sport which need never be mentioned in this part of the forum?

 

[djpbaltimore]

I remember being part of that particular discussion. Beta blockers would provide a steady hand for shooting and fine motor movements.

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[Catwhoorg]

And they were widely used in Biathlon I seem to recall.

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

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The whole cupping thing is still confusing the heck out of me. It must help them if they are willing to go through all of that. All things aside, how is that not considered performance enhancing? Or is it placebo?

It's straight out of the book of woo. It is concerning that they would use such nonsense, suggests a gullible mindset, and also suggests people with influence are OK with such ***.

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

So, I'm sure that this has been discussed to death already, but are there PEDs which can improve technique, small motor skills, accuracy etc.? Or is shooting the only sport which need never be mentioned in this part of the forum?

Any method that reduces fatigue (be it a PED or legit) improves technique. Tired bodies make more mistakes than fresher ones.

 

[Brullnux]

What about fencing? Similar story to shooting? Or something for reflexes?

 

[sniper]

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What about fencing? Similar story to shooting? Or something for reflexes?

loads of both traditional and designer stuff to improve concentration and thus reflexes, reduce nervosity, etc.
even recreational drugs like coke and speed could help some players.

 

[SeriousSam]

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Has anyone come out and said something to the effect of cupping "ehh no way, and besides if you are willing to do that to yourself what else are you going to be doing that doesn't leave a visible scar"

2-are there broadcasts and articles where non-English speakers are interviewed and what are they saying?

The whole cupping thing is still confusing the heck out of me. It must help them if they are willing to go through all of that. All things aside, how is that not considered performance enhancing? Or is it placebo?

It's the new Kinesio Tape. Athletes aren't critical thinkers and willing to give anything a try if there's a chance it increases performance

Except PEDs of course. That would be unethical.

 

[Brullnux]

Re: Re:

Has anyone come out and said something to the effect of cupping "ehh no way, and besides if you are willing to do that to yourself what else are you going to be doing that doesn't leave a visible scar"

2-are there broadcasts and articles where non-English speakers are interviewed and what are they saying?

The whole cupping thing is still confusing the heck out of me. It must help them if they are willing to go through all of that. All things aside, how is that not considered performance enhancing? Or is it placebo?

It's the new Kinesio Tape. Athletes aren't critical thinkers and willing to give anything a try if there's a chance it increases performance

Except PEDs of course. That would be unethical.

You are brilliant.

 

[ontheroad]

The more things change the more they stay the same!! Cancellara obliterating the field today was not dissimilar to the feeling when Vinokourov won the road race 4 years ago. Watched him struggle in Suisse and at the tour and he was evidently charged up for this event if you were watching the road race where he done a large pull and then smashed the field today. Not normal.

 

[Saint Unix]

Re: Re:

The whole cupping thing is still confusing the heck out of me. It must help them if they are willing to go through all of that. All things aside, how is that not considered performance enhancing? Or is it placebo?

Is cupping any different from a post-race massage, or acupuncture for that matter?

They're not adding anything to their system in order to increase performance. They're just stimulating an area of the body in order to increase blood circulation and aid recovery. Whether it works or not is irrelevant. It isn't doping.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

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Has anyone come out and said something to the effect of cupping "ehh no way, and besides if you are willing to do that to yourself what else are you going to be doing that doesn't leave a visible scar"

2-are there broadcasts and articles where non-English speakers are interviewed and what are they saying?

The whole cupping thing is still confusing the heck out of me. It must help them if they are willing to go through all of that. All things aside, how is that not considered performance enhancing? Or is it placebo?

It's the new Kinesio Tape. Athletes aren't critical thinkers and willing to give anything a try if there's a chance it increases performance

Except PEDs of course. That would be unethical.

Hey USPS was on top of that errrrrr back in 99 and 00. UhhhhOHHHHHHHH uhaahahooohahahah

 

[hfer07]

Re: Re:

Has anyone come out and said something to the effect of cupping "ehh no way, and besides if you are willing to do that to yourself what else are you going to be doing that doesn't leave a visible scar"

2-are there broadcasts and articles where non-English speakers are interviewed and what are they saying?

The whole cupping thing is still confusing the heck out of me. It must help them if they are willing to go through all of that. All things aside, how is that not considered performance enhancing? Or is it placebo?

There is no good and reliable evidence of efficacy for any condition.
So yes placebo.

perhaps folks have not researched in depth that interesting aspect of cupping that allegedly "helps the body to eliminate/cleanse toxins and exogenous compounds via subcutaneous tissue/system".......

 

[TMP402]

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/aug/10/rio-olympics-weightlifting-world-record-nijat-rahimov-doping-controversy-kazakhstan

Nijat Rahimov of Kazakhstan was a surprise gold medallist in weightlifting on Wednesday, but immediately faced questions over doping.

Rahimov, who only returned from a doping ban last year, and the rest of Kazakhstan’s team had almost been excluded from the Rio Olympics entirely after repeated failures in retests of doping samples from the 2008 and 2012 Olympics. The country stands to lose five gold medals from those Games.

Kazakhstan was allowed to compete because those doping cases were not fully processed in time for the Games, the International Weightlifting Federation has said.

In a sport in crisis over doping, Rahimov’s world record-breaking performance in the 77kg class on Wednesday is unlikely to silence the critics, not least bronze medallist Mohamed Mahmoud of Egypt, who said he found Rahimov’s dramatic improvement since his ban suspicious.

Rahimov repeatedly dodged questions about his doping past after the win, crediting religion and a tough training schedule for his success.

“Maybe after some doping controls, some things will change,” Mahmoud said. While improvements like Rahimov’s can be the result of good training and nutrition, Mahmoud said, “in a very short time it cannot happen like that.”

On Tuesday, Taiwanese gold medal contender Lin Tzu-Chi was withdrawn from competition hours before her event for what her team called abnormalities in a drug test, and the Polish weightlifting federation’s head has resigned after what he said were two more failed tests, one of a lifter who was due to compete in Rio.

 

[Robert5091]

Anyone know if the bikes at the Olympics are being checked for motors?

 

[glassmoon]

how come Zabelinskaya and Efimova were allowed to compete? i thought IOC banned all previously positive Russian athletes from Rio competition.

 

[mr61%]

I like Cancellara, and he's shown his entire career what a great rider he is and that he can cope under pressure, but after having very little form to speak of, apart from showing himself at the front of the peloton for a few hundred meters to help chase breakaways, to now destroying Dumoulin (that wrist must not have been that bad, eh?) and Froome? He really went all out in his last Olympic race, at age 35.

My thoughts too. He certainly seems to be getting off very lightly here

 

[laughingcavalier]

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https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/aug/10/rio-olympics-weightlifting-world-record-nijat-rahimov-doping-controversy-kazakhstan

Nijat Rahimov of Kazakhstan was a surprise gold medallist in weightlifting on Wednesday, but immediately faced questions over doping.

Rahimov, who only returned from a doping ban last year, and the rest of Kazakhstan’s team had almost been excluded from the Rio Olympics entirely after repeated failures in retests of doping samples from the 2008 and 2012 Olympics. The country stands to lose five gold medals from those Games.

Kazakhstan was allowed to compete because those doping cases were not fully processed in time for the Games, the International Weightlifting Federation has said.

In a sport in crisis over doping, Rahimov’s world record-breaking performance in the 77kg class on Wednesday is unlikely to silence the critics, not least bronze medallist Mohamed Mahmoud of Egypt, who said he found Rahimov’s dramatic improvement since his ban suspicious.

Rahimov repeatedly dodged questions about his doping past after the win, crediting religion and a tough training schedule for his success.

“Maybe after some doping controls, some things will change,” Mahmoud said. While improvements like Rahimov’s can be the result of good training and nutrition, Mahmoud said, “in a very short time it cannot happen like that.”

On Tuesday, Taiwanese gold medal contender Lin Tzu-Chi was withdrawn from competition hours before her event for what her team called abnormalities in a drug test, and the Polish weightlifting federation’s head has resigned after what he said were two more failed tests, one of a lifter who was due to compete in Rio.

The most beautiful part of this was Rahimov's explanation. If only all athlete denials were so poetic:

“When normal people were asleep, we were training. When the snow was deep you know how it is in Kazakhstan we went out for training at 11 or 12 [at night],” he said.

 

[Brullnux]

Why do all British rowers sound so similar?

 

[mr61%]

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Why do all British rowers sound so similar?

And look similar. Prominent jutting jawline, spotty complexion - and that's just the women!

 

[Black Betsy]

Re: Re:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/aug/10/rio-olympics-weightlifting-world-record-nijat-rahimov-doping-controversy-kazakhstan

Nijat Rahimov of Kazakhstan was a surprise gold medallist in weightlifting on Wednesday, but immediately faced questions over doping.

Rahimov, who only returned from a doping ban last year, and the rest of Kazakhstan’s team had almost been excluded from the Rio Olympics entirely after repeated failures in retests of doping samples from the 2008 and 2012 Olympics. The country stands to lose five gold medals from those Games.

Kazakhstan was allowed to compete because those doping cases were not fully processed in time for the Games, the International Weightlifting Federation has said.

In a sport in crisis over doping, Rahimov’s world record-breaking performance in the 77kg class on Wednesday is unlikely to silence the critics, not least bronze medallist Mohamed Mahmoud of Egypt, who said he found Rahimov’s dramatic improvement since his ban suspicious.

Rahimov repeatedly dodged questions about his doping past after the win, crediting religion and a tough training schedule for his success.

“Maybe after some doping controls, some things will change,” Mahmoud said. While improvements like Rahimov’s can be the result of good training and nutrition, Mahmoud said, “in a very short time it cannot happen like that.”

On Tuesday, Taiwanese gold medal contender Lin Tzu-Chi was withdrawn from competition hours before her event for what her team called abnormalities in a drug test, and the Polish weightlifting federation’s head has resigned after what he said were two more failed tests, one of a lifter who was due to compete in Rio.

The most beautiful part of this was Rahimov's explanation. If only all athlete denials were so poetic:

“When normal people were asleep, we were training. When the snow was deep you know how it is in Kazakhstan we went out for training at 11 or 12 [at night],” he said.

The way I see it is: Chinese weightlifter was robbed of a gold metal in Snatch, Kazakh of silver in snatch and Thailandese of bronze in snatch . Samewise, Kazakh was robbed of gold in Clean& Jerk-while WR, Chinese of silver and Egyptian of bronze.

Only the huge difference between the 1st and 2nd in total on Snatch + Clean& Jerk demonstrates clearly why each movement should be accommodated with medal. On the other hand, swimmers have the chance to win lots of medals in "different" sports... IOC, stop playing games and give some silverware to the people

 

[barmaher]

https://twitter.com/lancearmstrong/status/763539194400550912

 

[Poursuivant]

Re:

https://twitter.com/lancearmstrong/status/763539194400550912

Lol

 

[panyagua]

Re:

Anyone know if the bikes at the Olympics are being checked for motors?

Yep, UCI is running their "magnetic resistance" tests on bikes, as done at the TdF.

how come Zabelinskaya and Efimova were allowed to compete? i thought IOC banned all previously positive Russian athletes from Rio competition.

Last week CAS over-ruled the broad ban on previous dopers that served out their punishments. Don't remember the wording but it essentially rested on their concept of justice and due process.

 

[wansteadimp]

From the Guardian: -

The Kenya athletics coach John Anzrah has been sent home from the Olympics after posing as an athlete and giving a urine sample, according to Kip Keino, chairman of the Kenyan Olympic committee. Anzrah is Kenya’s sprint coach, responsible for disciplines from 100m to 400m including hurdles. Kenya’s strength in the longer sprints has been growing of late. Seven athletes have qualified for the 400m, five of them men, and another four, three of them men, for the 400m hurdles. More details as we get them.