Olympics Doping Thread

[sniper]

Two countries that are remarkably low in the medal table: Spain and Brazil.
For Spain it seems to be the end of a golden age of sports.
As for Brazil, how can a country so large and with such athletic potential, and also the host country, be so low in the ranking?

Have IOC/WADA been putting pressure on certain countries but not on others?

 

[BullsFan22]

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Two countries that are remarkably low in the medal table: Spain and Brazil.
For Spain it seems to be the end of a golden age of sports.
As for Brazil, how can a country so large and with such athletic potential, and also the host country, be so low in the ranking?

Have IOC/WADA been putting pressure on certain countries but not on others?

Both countries will win some medals in team sports. I think you are right about Spain. Irregardless of doping, there top stars are aging, some have already retired and they need to look for younger athletes now. They can get away with it in club teams like Barcelona and Real Madrid, as those two have massive amounts of money to spend and there is so much international talent to pay and bring to the club. In Olympic sports, nobody has that luxury. In regards to IOC/WADA, that may also be true. Both were named in the non-compliant lists (if I remember correctly) and both have had long histories (particularly Spain) in national federations exonerating dopers and enablers and also seemingly encouraging doping. Brazil may be in the same boat. They don't want too many positives during their home games, but I think they are struggling to get new talent to the front of the pack as well.

 

[AlbineVespuzzio]

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For Spain it seems to be the end of a golden age of sports.

Spain was in the forefront of doping technology for almost a decade. Now the British have surpassed them.
These results were sort of expected.

Add to that the political control of the institutions: the british athletes somehow feel safer. Only the real-money sports (football and NBA) is the playing field leveled (everybody is pretty much protected).

 

[buckle]

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For Spain it seems to be the end of a golden age of sports.

Spain was in the forefront of doping technology for almost a decade. Now the British have surpassed them.
These results were sort of expected.

Add to that the political control of the institutions: the british athletes somehow feel safer. Only the real-money sports (football and NBA) is the playing field leveled (everybody is pretty much protected).

The Italians outdoped the Spanish at the Euros this year. I wondered at the time if some decided to unilaterally go on the wagon. The English too looked knackered at times. The Portuguese were of course ridiculous especially Pepe.

 

[iejeecee]

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As for Brazil, how can a country so large and with such athletic potential, and also the host country, be so low in the ranking?

Have IOC/WADA been putting pressure on certain countries but not on others?

I think Brazil fundamentally doesn't care about anything outside football. The empty stadiums at the olympics speak for themselves. Then again the attendance at local football games has been declining for a long time as-well. I guess overall the Brazilians have more pressing matters as wasting their time and money with sports.

 

[Brullnux]

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Two countries that are remarkably low in the medal table: Spain and Brazil.
For Spain it seems to be the end of a golden age of sports.
As for Brazil, how can a country so large and with such athletic potential, and also the host country, be so low in the ranking?

Have IOC/WADA been putting pressure on certain countries but not on others?

Brazil's sports are martial arts, football (especially), basketball and volleyball. Not that many medals, especially as they specialise in Brazilian martial arts rather than judo or taekwondo

 

[thehog]

How Cav didn't get DQ'd is beyond me. That was bad! :surprised:

 

[Robert5091]

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/aug/15/yuliya-stepanova-russia-doping-olympics
Yuliya Stepanova, the Russian athlete who bravely gathered undercover evidence of systemic state sponsored doping, has said she is “certain” there will be athletes competing dirty at the Rio Games and hit out at the International Olympic Committee for, in effect, gagging whistleblowers.

Yuliya and her husband Vitaly, a former Russian anti-doping official, said they feared for their lives after it emerged that someone had tried to hack the middle distance runner’s anti doping file held by the World Anti Doping Agency.

The pair, who provided the information for a German documentary that led to the Wada independent investigations that uncovered systemic Russian doping across many Olympic sports over several years, are now living in a secret location in the United States.

 

[BullsFan22]

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https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/aug/15/yuliya-stepanova-russia-doping-olympics
Yuliya Stepanova, the Russian athlete who bravely gathered undercover evidence of systemic state sponsored doping, has said she is “certain” there will be athletes competing dirty at the Rio Games and hit out at the International Olympic Committee for, in effect, gagging whistleblowers.

Yuliya and her husband Vitaly, a former Russian anti-doping official, said they feared for their lives after it emerged that someone had tried to hack the middle distance runner’s anti doping file held by the World Anti Doping Agency.

The pair, who provided the information for a German documentary that led to the Wada independent investigations that uncovered systemic Russian doping across many Olympic sports over several years, are now living in a secret location in the United States.

I believe similar articles have been shared already.

 

[The Hitch]

Just watched the 400m wr being broken.

I already knew it had happened and had read a days worth of articles about it, but nothing could have prepared me for actually seeing it.

That was crazy. Crazier than Bolt maybe.. WVK down the final stretch looked like someone driving a car for the first time who hadn't yet figured out how to use the brakes. It reminded me of video games with a cheat code entered that allows the player to move twice as fast. The way he just kept moving closer and closer to the screen and making his rivals look like they were standing still.

Then afterwards he was staring around with 0 celebration. Like something bad had happened. Crazy.

 

[Bwlch y Groes]

Another gold for Rudisha. Seems about as unbeatable in this as Bolt

Makhloufi gets a second medal - looks in good shape again. Is he still working with Aden?

 

[BullsFan22]

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Another gold for Rudisha. Seems about as unbeatable in this as Bolt

Makhloufi gets a second medal - looks in good shape again. Is he still working with Aden?

I had to lol at Clayton Murphy. I know that Rudisha likes to dictate and force a fast pace in most of his races, but Murphy improved his time by 3.25 seconds, after just qualifying for the semifinals. Who is his coach?

 

[gooner]

This doesn't look good for FINA.

News Corp can reveal dopers Ning Zetao of China and Russian Yulia Efimova were not tested once by FINA in the five months immediately after they were controversially crowned world champions last year.

Swim team officials were dumbfounded when told of FINA’s testing failure which meant during peak training periods Ning and Efimova were only subjected to testing by their own agencies RUSADA and CHINADA – both since discredited this year – while the rest of the world faced a barrage of drugs tests.

In the same period Australia’s Cameron McEvoy faced three FINA drug tests, while 2015 world champions Bronte Campbell (two), Mitch Larkin (three) and Emily Seebohm (two) were also routinely tested without taking into account regular unannounced visits from ASADA.

Olympic relay champion Melanie Wright said it’s time to get rid of FINA and start with a clean slate for a clean sport.

“I think athletes and coaches have lost faith in FINA. They have been perennially weak on doping,” Wright told News Corp.

FINA’s failure to stand up to Russia or China was never more evident than in poolside hug between China’s once banned Sun Yang and FINA executive director Cornel Marculescu after his 200m freestyle medal ceremony.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/olympics-2016/convicted-drug-cheats-escaped-out-of-competition-testing-before-rio/news-story/1a8d97cd2cd846d8d9c973391e4a71ad

 

[Bwlch y Groes]

Massive shock in the pole vault - Lavillenie beaten by Thiago Braz da Silva, who had done very little in past majors prior to this week and smashed his PB to win

 

[AlbineVespuzzio]

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Massive shock in the pole vault - Lavillenie beaten by Thiago Braz da Silva, who had done very little in past majors prior to this week and smashed his PB to win

He's very young, couldn't have done anything in "past majors" before. He was however world champion in juniors.

Pole Vault gets very little advantage through doping, definitely irrelevant in a contest. Check who his trainer is.

 

[thehog]

This doesn't look good for FINA.

News Corp can reveal dopers Ning Zetao of China and Russian Yulia Efimova were not tested once by FINA in the five months immediately after they were controversially crowned world champions last year.

Swim team officials were dumbfounded when told of FINA’s testing failure which meant during peak training periods Ning and Efimova were only subjected to testing by their own agencies RUSADA and CHINADA – both since discredited this year – while the rest of the world faced a barrage of drugs tests.

In the same period Australia’s Cameron McEvoy faced three FINA drug tests, while 2015 world champions Bronte Campbell (two), Mitch Larkin (three) and Emily Seebohm (two) were also routinely tested without taking into account regular unannounced visits from ASADA.

Olympic relay champion Melanie Wright said it’s time to get rid of FINA and start with a clean slate for a clean sport.

“I think athletes and coaches have lost faith in FINA. They have been perennially weak on doping,” Wright told News Corp.

FINA’s failure to stand up to Russia or China was never more evident than in poolside hug between China’s once banned Sun Yang and FINA executive director Cornel Marculescu after his 200m freestyle medal ceremony.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/olympics-2016/convicted-drug-cheats-escaped-out-of-competition-testing-before-rio/news-story/1a8d97cd2cd846d8d9c973391e4a71ad

It's been going on for years. It's bit rich for the Aussies to complain, FINA let Thorpe off the hook years prior and they reigned test free through the 2000s.

 

[gooner]

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Massive shock in the pole vault - Lavillenie beaten by Thiago Braz da Silva, who had done very little in past majors prior to this week and smashed his PB to win

I'm surprised he won but I have seen now he was predicted to do well.

https://twitter.com/seaningle/status/765381771710062593

 

[StryderHells]

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Massive shock in the pole vault - Lavillenie beaten by Thiago Braz da Silva, who had done very little in past majors prior to this week and smashed his PB to win

He's very young, couldn't have done anything in "past majors" before. He was however world champion in juniors.

Pole Vault gets very little advantage through doping, definitely irrelevant in a contest. Check who his trainer is.

What makes you think that you'll gain little advantage through doping in the pole vault? Technique is important but that goes for most of the track and field events and doping helps in those events.

 

[AlbineVespuzzio]

Technique is not just important. It's determinant.

Technique is important but that goes for most of the track and field events and doping helps in those events.

Get serious, please. Try to make a jump yourself and then return.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitaly_Petrov_(coach)

It needs to be updated with one more Olympic title. Or do you wanna argue that Bubka is who he is and Isinbayeva is who she is "because of doping"?

 

[TheGreenMonkey]

The pole vault is an extremely technical event and any failure in technique means the bar falls.

However it requires strength so drugs that help strength have a potential to help. Anything which helps endurance also could help seeing the athletes have to complete many jumps and they are tiring. You need to find a sport that does not need both of strength and endurance for there not to be a drug that could be used for doping to help that sport.

Bratz had jumped 5.93 previously and did the 6.03 on a bigger, stiffer poll that he would have hardly used before. According to Steven Hooker they do not even use the polls capable of throwing them that high in practise. They are only used in special occasions like this one and that is why Bratz's first attempt at 6.03 was such a failure. He got it right for the second attempt and went over. Bratz was one of the big contenders for a medal but it is a bit of a surprise it was gold.

 

[cocteau_ireland]

Just watched pole vault. Have to admit,they all work so hard..All of them

 

[cocteau_ireland]

Hammer bronze brit said its a technical sport,that can be done over & over,in one day. Unlike high stress like javelin-steve backley. Any truth?

 

[peterst6906]

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/olympics/rio-2016/olympics-cycling/rio-olympics--2016-track-cyclists-coach-ask-awesome-team-gb-whats-your-secret-20160816-gqtlbh.html

 

[domination]

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http://www.smh.com.au/sport/olympics/rio-2016/olympics-cycling/rio-olympics--2016-track-cyclists-coach-ask-awesome-team-gb-whats-your-secret-20160816-gqtlbh.html

You could also post links to the myriad of articles out there that give reasoned explanation for Team GB's success, rather than frustrated outbursts by the vanquished. The truth is straightforward and simple, if not as lazy as jumping to the PEDs conclusion.

 

[mjreck]

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I don't know if this has been asked before, but I'd find it very interesting to hear which sports at this Olympics people believe are PED-free. Not counting beta-blockers or anything purely designed to calm the competitors.

The list is depressingly short. Looking at the sports I only see four that I would have confidence in being clean: archery, sailing, shooting, and table tennis (maybe fencing as a fifth).

Don't forget cycling!