Olympics Doping Thread

[Benotti69]

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AIBA sending judges home, results will stand (and presumably bank accounts monitored ...)

Pat Hickey (Irish OC, and exec board member) arrested for ticket touting, forming a cartel and illicit marketing.

American swimmers Ryan Lochte, Gunnar Bentz, Jack Conger and James Feigen have reportedly been banned from leaving Brazil by a judge (in regards the matter of their "hold-up")


So all in all just another day at the Olympics, look over there at this gold medalist

Pat Hickey is high up in the IOC. He will be quickly flown out of Rio sooner rather than later as i guess he can throw people under buses.

Is it alleged USA swimmers are pulling a scam?

Yep just another day for the pinnacle of sporting achievement. :lol:

 

[Irondan]

Re:

AIBA sending judges home, results will stand (and presumably bank accounts monitored ...)

Pat Hickey (Irish OC, and exec board member) arrested for ticket touting, forming a cartel and illicit marketing.

American swimmers Ryan Lochte, Gunnar Bentz, Jack Conger and James Feigen have reportedly been banned from leaving Brazil by a judge (in regards the matter of their "hold-up")


So all in all just another day at the Olympics, look over there at this gold medalist

Conflicting statements and apparently no evidence is making this look embarrassingly like a drunken fabrication...

Truth doping...

 

[kielbasa]

Re: Re:

AIBA sending judges home, results will stand (and presumably bank accounts monitored ...)

Pat Hickey (Irish OC, and exec board member) arrested for ticket touting, forming a cartel and illicit marketing.

American swimmers Ryan Lochte, Gunnar Bentz, Jack Conger and James Feigen have reportedly been banned from leaving Brazil by a judge (in regards the matter of their "hold-up")


So all in all just another day at the Olympics, look over there at this gold medalist

Conflicting statements and apparently no evidence is making this look embarrassingly like a drunken fabrication...

Truth doping...

Defaming Rio during its moment of greatness is a serious crime and it will be thoroughly investigated.

 

[BullsFan22]

To me it appears the Americans are overachieving on the track in terms of middle distance races. A medal in the 800m men's race, a medal in women's 1500m, a medal in the men's 3000m steeplechase race, a medal in the women's 3000m steeplechase. Another runner that wasn't too far behind in that outrageous women's 10000m. Rupp, as well know, is a Salazar protege and he was there in the 5000m, but didn't quite have the speed to earn a medal.

The more than suspicious Kenyans and Ethiopians are getting the medals and winning races, but the US is the third best distance performer at these Olympics. What's going on?

 

[WillemS]

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So, in short, tighter corners then?!

Not sure its as simple as that.

The Maths presented above by Willem was very basic (no offence W), what you would need to do here is analyse speed and how it would change based on the curvature, etc. its way too long since I did my Maths A-level to be able to work that one out. We need some help from someone who's analytical mind is being used on a regular basis. Somone like ScienceIsCool, etc.

No offence take, this is high school maths. I wasn't trying to calculate optimal track length, I just wanted to show that a claim made repeatedly in this thread, that it isn't possible to have straights with different lengths, was false. Physics is not my speciality, I'm a statistician and cognitive neuroscientist, so calculating the optimal track geometry isn't for me, even given that my original field was (theoretical) mathematics.

Thanks, just saw this now. I concede, you are correct.

Just one amendment; The safety speed is 110 km/h not 75 km/h which would preclude extra tight bends and longer straights. One would also argue longer straights wouldn't mean faster riding due to the banking on each curve. But perhaps that's for another equation?

All tracks are required to meet local building code standards for safety, as well as specific UCI criteria. Category 1 and 2 tracks face the most stringent criteria, since they will have riders reaching the highest speeds. The width of the track (7-8 metres for Cat 1/2) and radius of the bends must fall within certain parameters to ensure that the track can be ridden safely at speeds of up to 110 km/h. The surface must be consistently smooth over its entirety.

Okay, the 75 km/h is only for tracks from a lower category with a different length then.

The range of allowed radius for the bends in category 1 tracks with a length of 250 meters is fixed, though, 19-25m (see 3.6.095 of the regulations). However, the banking must be adjusted accordingly, to maintain safe conditions, even for tighter bends. Whether or not the angle would affect time trial times can be disputed, though, as riders keep to a low line in those events to minimise the distance.

 

[buckle]

As we all cheer on our favourite Ethiopian in the women's 5k, I was sad to learn of the death earlier this year of that country's great coach Dr. Kostre Woldemeskel.

http://www.ethiosports.com/2016/05/...etic-coach-dr-woldemeskel-kostre-passes-away/

I am sure that over at Team GB cycling Heiko Salzwedel was particularly upset on hearing of the demise of a graduate from his alma mater the now defunct "Doping College, Leipzig."

 

[mike75]

If anyone is watching, the super heavyweight lifters are not disappointing! 4kg new WR in the snatch, 3 guys all surpassed previous mark, looking EASY! This is some "juicy" stuff! :lol:

Just wait until the British discover that sport as well...

I do wonder why it seems these "ends of the earth" -istan countries do so well in weightlifting. My doping related theory is that whatever these guys have to take in order to compete is so dangerous to the body that no sane person would ever do it. But the guys from these places are willing to give up life and limb to get a small piece of fame and fortune, even if it kills them.

 

[Supimilian]

Re: Re:

So, in short, tighter corners then?!

Not sure its as simple as that.

The Maths presented above by Willem was very basic (no offence W), what you would need to do here is analyse speed and how it would change based on the curvature, etc. its way too long since I did my Maths A-level to be able to work that one out. We need some help from someone who's analytical mind is being used on a regular basis. Somone like ScienceIsCool, etc.

No offence take, this is high school maths. I wasn't trying to calculate optimal track length, I just wanted to show that a claim made repeatedly in this thread, that it isn't possible to have straights with different lengths, was false. Physics is not my speciality, I'm a statistician and cognitive neuroscientist, so calculating the optimal track geometry isn't for me, even given that my original field was (theoretical) mathematics.

Thanks, just saw this now. I concede, you are correct.

Just one amendment; The safety speed is 110 km/h not 75 km/h which would preclude extra tight bends and longer straights. One would also argue longer straights wouldn't mean faster riding due to the banking on each curve. But perhaps that's for another equation?

All tracks are required to meet local building code standards for safety, as well as specific UCI criteria. Category 1 and 2 tracks face the most stringent criteria, since they will have riders reaching the highest speeds. The width of the track (7-8 metres for Cat 1/2) and radius of the bends must fall within certain parameters to ensure that the track can be ridden safely at speeds of up to 110 km/h. The surface must be consistently smooth over its entirety.

Okay, the 75 km/h is only for tracks from a lower category with a different length then.

The range of allowed radius for the bends in category 1 tracks with a length of 250 meters is fixed, though, 19-25m (see 3.6.095 of the regulations). However, the banking must be adjusted accordingly, to maintain safe conditions, even for tighter bends. Whether or not the angle would affect time trial times can be disputed, though, as riders keep to a low line in those events to minimise the distance.

With all this talk about lengthening the straights for speed I think it's worth mentioning that the 250m track that let's riders have minimal top G forces in the turns is **drumroll**

Shaped like a cirlce

 

[jens_attacks]

If anyone is watching, the super heavyweight lifters are not disappointing! 4kg new WR in the snatch, 3 guys all surpassed previous mark, looking EASY! This is some "juicy" stuff! :lol:

Just wait until the British discover that sport as well...

I do wonder why it seems these "ends of the earth" -istan countries do so well in weightlifting. My doping related theory is that whatever these guys have to take in order to compete is so dangerous to the body that no sane person would ever do it. But the guys from these places are willing to give up life and limb to get a small piece of fame and fortune, even if it kills them.

Not really it's just the sport of the poor. My city has two olympic medallists for example. One was caught positive.

You must be a lunatic to lift so much every day. I think that must be more dangerous than the substances they take. It's just a stupid sport but i respect them a lot, their ambition is not human anyway.

 

[Benotti69]

Rio 2016 Olympics: Anti-doping branded 'worst’ in Games history

Thomas Bach, the International Olympic Committee president, and his organisation have been criticised for their slack doping controls at the Rio Games

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/olympics/2016/08/17/rio-2016-olympics-anti-doping-branded-worst-in-games-history/

Organisers also admitted that unauthorised individuals had gained access to restricted areas during the drug-testing process, although they denied failing to ensure that anti-doping at the Games was beyond reproach.

 

[thehog]

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Rio 2016 Olympics: Anti-doping branded 'worst’ in Games history

Thomas Bach, the International Olympic Committee president, and his organisation have been criticised for their slack doping controls at the Rio Games

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/olympics/2016/08/17/rio-2016-olympics-anti-doping-branded-worst-in-games-history/

Organisers also admitted that unauthorised individuals had gained access to restricted areas during the drug-testing process, although they denied failing to ensure that anti-doping at the Games was beyond reproach.

Volunteers? Seriously? The samples are shipped between venues by volunteers?

 

[Bwlch y Groes]

Gatlin and Blake BOMBED. Both out of the 200m final. 2 fewer convicted dopers in the field at least

 

[El Pistolero]

Clean sweap of the USA at the 100M hurdles. And they even left the world record holder at home.

 

[Bwlch y Groes]

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Clean sweap of the USA at the 100M hurdles. And they even left the world record holder at home.

And Cindy Ofili in 4th was born in the US too

 

[thehog]

The Lochte story is gaining traction. Sounds like the boys were out doing things they probably shouldn't be doing. Two of them have just been pulled off a flight for more questioning.

 

[buckle]

Re:

Rio 2016 Olympics: Anti-doping branded 'worst’ in Games history

Thomas Bach, the International Olympic Committee president, and his organisation have been criticised for their slack doping controls at the Rio Games

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/olympics/2016/08/17/rio-2016-olympics-anti-doping-branded-worst-in-games-history/

Organisers also admitted that unauthorised individuals had gained access to restricted areas during the drug-testing process, although they denied failing to ensure that anti-doping at the Games was beyond reproach.

The takeaway from this story is that Team GB might have won more medals. Sources for evidence of doping need to be publications outside of the comics published in the UK and Australia.

 

[Bolder]

The Lochte story is gaining traction. Sounds like the boys were out doing things they probably shouldn't be doing. Two of them have just been pulled off a flight for more questioning.

Well, at least we can say that they probably weren't off doping, given that their events had ended. I'm guessing they were just up to typical hijinks, probably involving the local ladies of the night, or a strip club. They got robbed in the process and invented a lame story. Nothing to see here IMO...

 

[Zypherov]

Surprisingly, Gatlin and Blake didn't make it to the final of the 200 metres, two of the quickest men ever over the distance, and both served doping bans. Perhaps they are to afraid of getting caught and are of the juice.

 

[Black Betsy]

If anyone is watching, the super heavyweight lifters are not disappointing! 4kg new WR in the snatch, 3 guys all surpassed previous mark, looking EASY! This is some "juicy" stuff! :lol:

Just wait until the British discover that sport as well...

I do wonder why it seems these "ends of the earth" -istan countries do so well in weightlifting. My doping related theory is that whatever these guys have to take in order to compete is so dangerous to the body that no sane person would ever do it. But the guys from these places are willing to give up life and limb to get a small piece of fame and fortune, even if it kills them.

Yeah, lets humiliate all those from "-istan countries", because they can't ride a fancy, expensive carbon bike with expensive cycling shoes and expensive cycling clothing (possibly because they can't afford it) and all they can is paying a 150 euro annual subscription to the local gym.

 

[Black Betsy]

If anyone is watching, the super heavyweight lifters are not disappointing! 4kg new WR in the snatch, 3 guys all surpassed previous mark, looking EASY! This is some "juicy" stuff! :lol:

Just wait until the British discover that sport as well...

I do wonder why it seems these "ends of the earth" -istan countries do so well in weightlifting. My doping related theory is that whatever these guys have to take in order to compete is so dangerous to the body that no sane person would ever do it. But the guys from these places are willing to give up life and limb to get a small piece of fame and fortune, even if it kills them.

Not really it's just the sport of the poor. My city has two olympic medallists for example. One was caught positive.

You must be a lunatic to lift so much every day. I think that must be more dangerous than the substances they take. It's just a stupid sport but i respect them a lot, their ambition is not human anyway.

Except the fact that Olympic Committee robbed them off from the chance of competing for more medals, what's the difference in madness/ambition from sports like swimmig/track cycling?

 

[Cannibal72]

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Surprisingly, Gatlin and Blake didn't make it to the final of the 200 metres, two of the quickest men ever over the distance, and both served doping bans. Perhaps they are to afraid of getting caught and are of the juice.

Blake's run was weird; he didn't look good. More likely it's just bad form, but it's possible that he didn't respond well to the dope in the conditions of Rio. Gatlin's loss was just arrogance. He eased up towards the end, before realising Alonso and Edwards were closer than he'd realised.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Tailwind: well actually a possible circulation in the Rio pool

https://swimswam.com/problem-rio-pool/

 

[IndianCyclist]

suspect about 30-50% doped

 

[Zypherov]

Re: Re:

Surprisingly, Gatlin and Blake didn't make it to the final of the 200 metres, two of the quickest men ever over the distance, and both served doping bans. Perhaps they are to afraid of getting caught and are of the juice.

Blake's run was weird; he didn't look good. More likely it's just bad form, but it's possible that he didn't respond well to the dope in the conditions of Rio. Gatlin's loss was just arrogance. He eased up towards the end, before realising Alonso and Edwards were closer than he'd realised.

After the race he said that he had a stiff ankle.

 

[thehog]

The Lochte story is gaining traction. Sounds like the boys were out doing things they probably shouldn't be doing. Two of them have just been pulled off a flight for more questioning.

Well, at least we can say that they probably weren't off doping, given that their events had ended. I'm guessing they were just up to typical hijinks, probably involving the local ladies of the night, or a strip club. They got robbed in the process and invented a lame story. Nothing to see here IMO...

True, except they managed to offend the local police force and make a political statement on the state of crime in Rio.

Goes to show.... One small lie can end up in web of trouble.