Olympics Doping Thread

[Cannibal72]

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Surprisingly, Gatlin and Blake didn't make it to the final of the 200 metres, two of the quickest men ever over the distance, and both served doping bans. Perhaps they are to afraid of getting caught and are of the juice.

Blake's run was weird; he didn't look good. More likely it's just bad form, but it's possible that he didn't respond well to the dope in the conditions of Rio. Gatlin's loss was just arrogance. He eased up towards the end, before realising Alonso and Edwards were closer than he'd realised.

After the race he said that he had a stiff ankle.

Gatlin? I'm sceptical of that excuse.

 

[djpbaltimore]

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Surprisingly, Gatlin and Blake didn't make it to the final of the 200 metres, two of the quickest men ever over the distance, and both served doping bans. Perhaps they are to afraid of getting caught and are of the juice.

Blake's run was weird; he didn't look good. More likely it's just bad form, but it's possible that he didn't respond well to the dope in the conditions of Rio. Gatlin's loss was just arrogance. He eased up towards the end, before realising Alonso and Edwards were closer than he'd realised.

Running in lane 3 was also not good for a guy the size of Gatlin. The look didn't cost him much time, but may have been the difference between qualifying. Still wasn't going to break 20 sec IMO, so I tend to believe that his body was starting to break down after all the heats. Blake was recovering from a major injury, so his loss was more in line with expectations. He was in great position after 100m but he died on the backstretch. I doubt Bolt goes under 19.50 today.

 

[Zypherov]

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Surprisingly, Gatlin and Blake didn't make it to the final of the 200 metres, two of the quickest men ever over the distance, and both served doping bans. Perhaps they are to afraid of getting caught and are of the juice.

Blake's run was weird; he didn't look good. More likely it's just bad form, but it's possible that he didn't respond well to the dope in the conditions of Rio. Gatlin's loss was just arrogance. He eased up towards the end, before realising Alonso and Edwards were closer than he'd realised.

After the race he said that he had a stiff ankle.

Gatlin? I'm sceptical of that excuse.

Yes, it was Gatlin who said he had a stiff ankle. But he expects to run in the 4x100 metre relay.

 

[mike75]

Schippers roid rage after losing the 200m was classic! She is someone I would not want to piss off!!!

Gatlin needed a refill that's for sure. He blamed an ankle, LOL! Blake...classic example of a dope-made star. He looks like just "a guy", and was pretty terrible in both the 100 and 200. At least Bolt is consistently great, Blake can't even make finals.

 

[mike75]

If anyone is watching, the super heavyweight lifters are not disappointing! 4kg new WR in the snatch, 3 guys all surpassed previous mark, looking EASY! This is some "juicy" stuff! :lol:

Just wait until the British discover that sport as well...

I do wonder why it seems these "ends of the earth" -istan countries do so well in weightlifting. My doping related theory is that whatever these guys have to take in order to compete is so dangerous to the body that no sane person would ever do it. But the guys from these places are willing to give up life and limb to get a small piece of fame and fortune, even if it kills them.

Yeah, lets humiliate all those from "-istan countries", because they can't ride a fancy, expensive carbon bike with expensive cycling shoes and expensive cycling clothing (possibly because they can't afford it) and all they can is paying a 150 euro annual subscription to the local gym.

Not humiliating them. Just find it odd that it's these obscure countries (Olympics-wise) are the ones that dominated. You know the "name" countries have access to the best drugs, so why are no one from any bigger nations on the medal stand?

 

[mike75]

Once again the USA cannot get the baton around in the 4x1. Looks like Felix came up lame just before the handoff.

 

[CheckMyPecs]

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Once again the USA cannot get the baton around in the 4x1. Looks like Felix came up lame just before the handoff.

And that is supposed to be proof of...?

 

[mike75]

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Once again the USA cannot get the baton around in the 4x1. Looks like Felix came up lame just before the handoff.

And that is supposed to be proof of...?

nothing. Forgive me, I didn't mention the word "dope" or "doping" or "drugs" in that post. I just happened to be posting when I saw that 4x1 race. I sincerely apologize, and will get back to drugs shortly.

 

[luckyboy]

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List of positive tests/doping-related cases so far.. Any missing?

Before Olympics, didn't compete
Lin Tzu-chi, Taiwan, weightlifting - 'abnormal test'
Michael O'Reilly, Rep Ireland, boxing - ??
Antonis Martasidis, Cyprus, weightlifting - ??
unknown, Greece - ??
Tomasz Zielinski, Poland, weightlifting - nandrolone
Michael Rotich, Kenya, athletics manager - asked for payment to warn about tests

Before Olympics, competed
Kleber Ramos, Brazil, cycling - CERA
Adrian Zielinski, Poland, weightlifting - nandrolone

During Olympics
Silvia Danekova, Bulgaria, athletics - EPO
Chen Xinyi, China, swimming - Hydrochlorothiazide
John Azra, Kenya, coach - posing as athlete during test

Izzat Artyakov, Kyrgyzstan, weightlifting - Strychnine (!) - loses bronze medal

 

[Catwhoorg]

Strychnine is a stimulant (in appropriate doses), especially for things like weight lifting.

Not something to mess round with though, the LD50 is pretty low.

 

[luckyboy]

You'd think there'd be better options around now though. Very early 20th century

 

[Merckx index]

I kept asking myself what Lochte had to gain by fabricating his story. It sounded plausible to me, with the cab driver in on the robbery.

But now this comes out:

A security guard drew a gun at the U.S. swimmers after they drunkenly “destroyed a gas station toilet and refused to pay for the damage,” according to the British Daily Mail, but the swimmers then paid.

Lochte is apparently sticking to his original story. I still don’t understand why they would make up the story. They don’t have to account to anyone how much money they have. Why didn’t they just keep it among themselves? Supposedly he didn’t tell anyone at first except his mother--she was the one confirming the story when USOC was denying it--and why would he tell a made-up story to her?

According to Sports Illustrated legal analyst Michael McCann, the swimmers could face up to six months in jail or a fine for knowingly filing a false police report. Brazil cannot force Lochte to be extradited from the U.S., but the three swimmers who remain in Rio could be forced to stay for “weeks or months,” McCann said.

I thought they didn’t file a police report. I thought that was one of the reasons the police were suspicious about the story.

One possible way of reconciling the stories, I guess, is that if they did destroy the toilet, tried to run away in a taxi, and were chased down by the security guards, who may or may not have used guns to force them out of the cab.

I do have to say that the Olympic official who tried to pass it off as boys will be boys is forgetting that Lochte is 32.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/report-ryan-lochte-u-s-swimmers-fabricated-armed-robbery-story-140805637.html?nhp=1

Edit: Now being reported that a member of the GB team was robbed at gunpoint Thursday night.

 

[thehog]

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I kept asking myself what Lochte had to gain by fabricating his story. It sounded plausible to me, with the cab driver in on the robbery.

But now this comes out:

A security guard drew a gun at the U.S. swimmers after they drunkenly “destroyed a gas station toilet and refused to pay for the damage,” according to the British Daily Mail, but the swimmers then paid.

Lochte is apparently sticking to his original story. I still don’t understand why they would make up the story. They don’t have to account to anyone how much money they have. Why didn’t they just keep it among themselves? Supposedly he didn’t tell anyone at first except his mother--she was the one confirming the story when USOC was denying it--and why would he tell a made-up story to her?

According to Sports Illustrated legal analyst Michael McCann, the swimmers could face up to six months in jail or a fine for knowingly filing a false police report. Brazil cannot force Lochte to be extradited from the U.S., but the three swimmers who remain in Rio could be forced to stay for “weeks or months,” McCann said.

I thought they didn’t file a police report. I thought that was one of the reasons the police were suspicious about the story.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/report-ryan-lochte-u-s-swimmers-fabricated-armed-robbery-story-140805637.html?nhp=1

Lochte told the story to his mother. She was staying with his model girlfriend in a nearby hotel. The assumption is to account for the money missing from his wallet and the fact they probably went to the ladies of the night district in Copacabana. Lochte's mother inadvertently told Fox News, then the athletes denied it happened. Lochte later that day was strolling down the beach and bumps into the NBC Extra presenter who was off duty. They start talking and decide to do a iphone interview about the supposed robbery. Lochte hams it up telling them he had a gun to his head and was like "whatever" and handed over the money but the robber did not want his credentials or phone.

So blame the leak on mum for this one!

 

[veji11]

Goes how to show a little private lie becomes a massive story. It does remind me of the rugby story about french international Mathieu Bastareaud who had said in 2009 that he had been mugged in NZ whereas actually there was vid from the hotel showing he got there with no worries after his night out. He then said he fell in his room drunk and hit a table and just lied to not be ridicule, but there have been theories ever since that he actually had had a drunken bust up with some teammates... Anyway similar type of lie from an immature young man to cover an embarassing story that becomes a massive medio whirlpool sucking everything in...

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2009/oct/27/mathieu-bastareaud-france-drunk-apology

 

[masking_agent]

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Gatlin and Blake BOMBED. Both out of the 200m final. 2 fewer convicted dopers in the field at least

and let's not be fooled by young DeGrasse's speed. He has to be on the "hot sauce" as well as no 21 year old trots next to Bolt who's doped to the gills and is right there with him. The unfortunate part now is I live in Canada and have hear degrasse this, and degrasse that.. I think donovan bailey wants to hump him.. pathetic.. We'll have to look at Degrasse "doctor" affiliations in the upcoming days and weeks..

 

[djpbaltimore]

You have to admit that De Grasse has a beautiful stride though. I think he will win the 200m gold... just not tonight.....

 

[Billie]

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I kept asking myself what Lochte had to gain by fabricating his story. It sounded plausible to me, with the cab driver in on the robbery.

I do have to say that the Olympic official who tried to pass it off as boys will be boys is forgetting that Lochte is 32.

Lochte is forever 19 #jeah

 

[Cannibal72]

I just read an article in the New Yorker about Phelps from a few weeks ago (ie pre-'robbery') which quoted, in passing, a young swimmer from the US trials as stating that Lochte 'wasn't all there'.

 

[Billie]

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I just read an article in the New Yorker about Phelps from a few weeks ago (ie pre-'robbery') which quoted, in passing, a young swimmer from the US trials as stating that Lochte 'wasn't all there'.

He hurt his groin during the trials, hence why he only got in for 1 discipline.

 

[buckle]

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I just read an article in the New Yorker about Phelps from a few weeks ago (ie pre-'robbery') which quoted, in passing, a young swimmer from the US trials as stating that Lochte 'wasn't all there'.

He hurt his groin during the trials, hence why he only got in for 1 discipline.

Worse case scenario, he shouldn't let a little old thing like testicular cancer stop him ...

 

[kielbasa]

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I kept asking myself what Lochte had to gain by fabricating his story. It sounded plausible to me, with the cab driver in on the robbery.

But now this comes out:

A security guard drew a gun at the U.S. swimmers after they drunkenly “destroyed a gas station toilet and refused to pay for the damage,” according to the British Daily Mail, but the swimmers then paid.

Lochte is apparently sticking to his original story. I still don’t understand why they would make up the story. They don’t have to account to anyone how much money they have. Why didn’t they just keep it among themselves? Supposedly he didn’t tell anyone at first except his mother--she was the one confirming the story when USOC was denying it--and why would he tell a made-up story to her?

According to Sports Illustrated legal analyst Michael McCann, the swimmers could face up to six months in jail or a fine for knowingly filing a false police report. Brazil cannot force Lochte to be extradited from the U.S., but the three swimmers who remain in Rio could be forced to stay for “weeks or months,” McCann said.

I thought they didn’t file a police report. I thought that was one of the reasons the police were suspicious about the story.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/report-ryan-lochte-u-s-swimmers-fabricated-armed-robbery-story-140805637.html?nhp=1

Lochte told the story to his mother. She was staying with his model girlfriend in a nearby hotel. The assumption is to account for the money missing from his wallet and the fact they probably went to the ladies of the night district in Copacabana. Lochte's mother inadvertently told Fox News, then the athletes denied it happened. Lochte later that day was strolling down the beach and bumps into the NBC Extra presenter who was off duty. They start talking and decide to do a iphone interview about the supposed robbery. Lochte hams it up telling them he had a gun to his head and was like "whatever" and handed over the money but the robber did not want his credentials or phone.

So blame the leak on mum for this one!

So he lied to his mother. I'm sure he's been nothing but honest with America and the athletic world.

 

[jens_attacks]

If anyone is watching, the super heavyweight lifters are not disappointing! 4kg new WR in the snatch, 3 guys all surpassed previous mark, looking EASY! This is some "juicy" stuff! :lol:

Just wait until the British discover that sport as well...

I do wonder why it seems these "ends of the earth" -istan countries do so well in weightlifting. My doping related theory is that whatever these guys have to take in order to compete is so dangerous to the body that no sane person would ever do it. But the guys from these places are willing to give up life and limb to get a small piece of fame and fortune, even if it kills them.

Yeah, lets humiliate all those from "-istan countries", because they can't ride a fancy, expensive carbon bike with expensive cycling shoes and expensive cycling clothing (possibly because they can't afford it) and all they can is paying a 150 euro annual subscription to the local gym.

Not humiliating them. Just find it odd that it's these obscure countries (Olympics-wise) are the ones that dominated. You know the "name" countries have access to the best drugs, so why are no one from any bigger nations on the medal stand?

Because people in civilised countries are not stupid enough to lift god knows how many tons of weight every day. You can play tennis instead. Or play pokemon go. In poor countries, this might be your only shot to a decent life.

 

[Cannibal72]

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I just read an article in the New Yorker about Phelps from a few weeks ago (ie pre-'robbery') which quoted, in passing, a young swimmer from the US trials as stating that Lochte 'wasn't all there'.

He hurt his groin during the trials, hence why he only got in for 1 discipline.

I've hit my article limit, so I can't quote it directly, but the context made it clear that the implication of the quote was psychological. If I remember correctly, the sentence contrasted that (and his new hairstyle...) with Phelps' seeming dominance and self-possession.

 

[Merckx index]

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Lochte told the story to his mother. She was staying with his model girlfriend in a nearby hotel. The assumption is to account for the money missing from his wallet and the fact they probably went to the ladies of the night district in Copacabana. Lochte's mother inadvertently told Fox News, then the athletes denied it happened. Lochte later that day was strolling down the beach and bumps into the NBC Extra presenter who was off duty. They start talking and decide to do a iphone interview about the supposed robbery. Lochte hams it up telling them he had a gun to his head and was like "whatever" and handed over the money but the robber did not want his credentials or phone.

So blame the leak on mum for this one!

Still doesn't make sense to me. Why does a 32 year old man have to account to his mother for how much money is in his wallet? Why should his mother or his GF know how much is there? Lochte I'm pretty sure lives very comfortably. He can lose $400 or whatever it was without any problem in replacing it. Whatever amount of cash he had when he went out he could have had when he returned, unless he lost his ATM card, which is far more consistent with being robbed than paying for damages to a restroom.

He and his pals may well have paid for hookers, but why do they need a story to cover that up? Who's going to know what they did, and what relevance does being held up have to that?

The only story other than robbery that makes sense to me is that Lochte was drunk, and wanted to brag to his mother and GF about how brave he was in the face of a gun pointed at him. In fact, it appears from his subsequent statements that he did embellish details, so that explanation, rather than he needed to or even could cover for something else, seems more plausible.

 

[Cannibal72]

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Lochte told the story to his mother. She was staying with his model girlfriend in a nearby hotel. The assumption is to account for the money missing from his wallet and the fact they probably went to the ladies of the night district in Copacabana. Lochte's mother inadvertently told Fox News, then the athletes denied it happened. Lochte later that day was strolling down the beach and bumps into the NBC Extra presenter who was off duty. They start talking and decide to do a iphone interview about the supposed robbery. Lochte hams it up telling them he had a gun to his head and was like "whatever" and handed over the money but the robber did not want his credentials or phone.

So blame the leak on mum for this one!

Still doesn't make sense to me. Why does a 32 year old man have to account to his mother for how much money is in his wallet? Why should his mother or his GF know how much is there? Lochte I'm pretty sure lives very comfortably. He can lose $400 or whatever it was without any problem in replacing it. Whatever amount of cash he had when he went out he could have had when he returned, unless he lost his ATM card, which is far more consistent with being robbed than paying for damages to a restroom.

He and his pals may well have paid for hookers, but why do they need a story to cover that up? Who's going to know what they did, and what relevance does being held up have to that?

The only story other than robbery that makes sense to me is that Lochte was drunk, and wanted to brag to his mother and GF about how brave he was in the face of a gun pointed at him. In fact, it appears from his subsequent statements that he did embellish details, so that explanation, rather than he needed to or even could cover for something else, seems more plausible.

'Whatever'.