Oscar Pistorius

[mewmewmew13]

you guys are good ..

and yes..I think he knows he's cooked! it's making him ill

 

[Merckx index]

I thought the most damaging testimony so far was the former GF who said several times he woke her up in the night because he thought he heard a burglar. Yet he doesn't wake up Reeva this time? And the gun is on her side of the bed?

But the verdict will hinge on whether the judge believes that OP might have acted in a way that no one is his senses would act. If the prosecution can't convince the judge that there were screams before the shots, as opposed to before noise that might have been the cricket bat, it will come down to how much leeway you give a scenario that is preposterous but not actually impossible.

 

[D-Queued]

I thought the most damaging testimony so far was the former GF who said several times he woke her up in the night because he thought he heard a burglar. Yet he doesn't wake up Reeva this time? And the gun is on her side of the bed?

But the verdict will hinge on whether the judge believes that OP might have acted in a way that no one is his senses would act. If the prosecution can't convince the judge that there were screams before the shots, as opposed to before noise that might have been the cricket bat, it will come down to how much leeway you give a scenario that is preposterous but not actually impossible.

Hopefully S. Africa has some sense of 'beyond reasonable doubt'.

Dave.

 

[JustinReynolds]

Reeva was the one who sensed a predator in her midst. That's why she took her cell phone to a locked bathroom.
No wonder why he's throwing up in court. He knows he's done. Might as well save the money he's spending on lawyers and keep a nest egg for when he's released in 25 years' time.

And the holster for the gun was under her side of the bed ... how would you not notice she wasn't there? You'd roll over to grab the gun - not walk round, surely?

 

[MarkvW]

Premeditated murder vs. unpremeditated murder.

 

[Aapjes]

he would be bottom?

Dunno. But I know who would be on his knees.

 

[sittingbison]

Gentle(wo)men,
Perhaps out of respect for the victim and her family we could refrain from making jokes? And certainly no references to wonderboy

Cheers
Bison

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

?? Don't all men lock the door in the bathroom?

Depends on the reading material.

 

[happychappy]

He should have murdered her in Texas and been a woman. He'd get a much less harsh sentence.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...athtub-massage-NOT-GUILTY-capital-murder.html

Can Pistorius use the Pu**y Pass if he's not actually a female but only screams like one? Perhaps he can get a Pu**y Pass discount for a certain amount, but not the full 100%.

 

[blackcat]

He should have murdered her in Texas and been a woman. He'd get a much less harsh sentence.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...athtub-massage-NOT-GUILTY-capital-murder.html

Can Pistorius use the Pu**y Pass if he's not actually a female but only screams like one? Perhaps he can get a Pu**y Pass discount for a certain amount, but not the full 100%.

nah, he does not want to use that defence,, imagine the farking he will cop in gaol


"I scream like a girl, I scream like a girl"

 

[Benotti69]

nah, he does not want to use that defence,, imagine the farking he will cop in gaol


"I scream like a girl, I scream like a girl"

In gaol is it "Squeal like a pig boy, squeal like a pig"............

 

[blackcat]

In gaol is it "Squeal like a pig boy, squeal like a pig"............

 

[Parrulo]

Ok guys tune it down please

 

[Merckx index]

It turns out that gun owners in SA have to pass a competency test, which includes knowing when you can and can't shoot at someone:

When Paralympian Oscar Pistorius shot his 9mm Parabellum pistol through a locked toilet door on Valentine's Day last year – even if he believed there was an intruder on the other side – he knew he was breaking the law.

In a gun competency test he took in September 2012, Pistorius explained when a gun owner is allowed to use lethal force against an intruder.

"Attack must be against you," he wrote. "Must be unlawful. Must be against person."

When the athlete killed his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp on the morning of Feb. 14, 2013, by his account, the model was in a locked toilet, there was no attack and he had no idea who was inside.

The gun competency test – a requirement before a gun license is issued in South Africa – was completed by his own hand. On it, one of his answers reads, "Know your target, and what lies beyond."

Pistorius' full understanding of the illegality of his actions becomes even clearer in his responses to the hypothetical scenarios posed.

You are at home alone in an isolated area, Question 2 asks, far from police and security services. You see two strange men jump over your wall, heading for your house late at night, and you are not expecting visitors. Have they committed an offense that justifies the use of lethal force against them?

With his slightly slanted penmanship, Pistorius answered, "No."

Another questions asks, if the men come to your house, break off the burglar bar, climb in through the window and start to remove your "extremely expensive Hi-Fi," can you discharge a firearm at them?

Again, in pen, "No."

When the burglars realize you're there, behind a security gate 10 meters away, they turn around and order you to leave, or they will kill you; can you discharge a firearm at them because you "fear for your life?"

Another, "No."…

The test shows Pistorius understood the rules of gun ownership and self defense, yet blatantly flouted them.

Seems that SA is actually stricter in that regard than the U.S. is. Americans get away with shooting home intruders all the time.

More evidence of being ready to shoot at the slightest provocation:

Pistorius had also spoken of an occasion when he went into "full combat mode" or a "code red" after hearing a noise in his home, "clearing his house" with his gun in hand, only to find it was the tumble dryer.

The Paralympian even tweeted about it.

"Nothing like getting home to hear the washing machine on and thinking its an intruder to go into full combat recon mode into the pantry! waa (sic)" Pistorius tweeted in November 2012.

Had a small aresenal, and was seeking more:

Rens handed over invoices to the court detailing Pistorius' hefty order of firearms worth some R83,610 (nearly $7,800), in June 2012. It includes two Smith & Wesson revolvers – a .500 caliber and a 38 Special – and three shotguns, including a Mossberg semi-automatic self-loading shotgun, and a Winchester Defender pump-action shotgun.

It also includes two self-loading rifles: a Luvo rifle, and a Vektor LM6 semi-automatic – the civilian version of the military rifle that South African police were armed with during a miners' strike in Marikana that year, when they shot 34 people dead….

When he placed the order for the seven firearms, Pistorius did not have the appropriate license to own more than four.

Sound familiar, cycling fans?

Oscar Pistorius' lawyer says the double-amputee athlete is selling the house where he killed girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp to raise money for his legal bills.

 

[mewmewmew13]

This should be interesting..
http://time.com/51129/pistorius-to-finally-answer-questions-on-shooting/

let's hear it Oscar..

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

I don't know about in SA, but in the USA the vast majority of attorneys will insist their client do not testify, no matter what. Even if they are charismatic and personable. Even OJ's lawyers kept him off the stand. It's possible "serial killer" Wayne Williams didn't kill anyone. But he took the stand, and nervously talked himself into a life sentence.

Sometimes a person who is charismatic and personable can fool a jury, but a judge is going to be a lot harder.

 

[mikeNphilly]

Don't really care about this case, just some celebrity that shot some one, so the press makes a big deal out it...but just to clear up something that Merckx posted..."Seems that SA is actually stricter in that regard than the U.S. is. Americans get away with shooting home intruders all the time."

In the U.S. alot of states have castle doctrine that thankfully "allows"(as if you need permission) the homeowner to shoot someone that breaks into your house. That test you printed was crazy, making the homeowner have all these rules, but the criminal I guess has no rules. We in the U.S. do not get away with shooting home intruders, we exercise our right to defend out home.

Anyway back to the story about some minor celebrity that shot someone....

 

[fatandfast]

Don't really care about this case, just some celebrity that shot some one, so the press makes a big deal out it...but just to clear up something that Merckx posted..."Seems that SA is actually stricter in that regard than the U.S. is. Americans get away with shooting home intruders all the time."

In the U.S. alot of states have castle doctrine that thankfully "allows"(as if you need permission) the homeowner to shoot someone that breaks into your house. That test you printed was crazy, making the homeowner have all these rules, but the criminal I guess has no rules. We in the U.S. do not get away with shooting home intruders, we exercise our right to defend out home.

Anyway back to the story about some minor celebrity that shot someone....

you really should care, this could be the start of police all over the world singling double amputee gun fanatics for prosecution. We all need to think ahead and put ourselves in poor Oscar's predicament.Have you ever had an unknown person in your toilet? What were they doing in there? Had they eaten chili or White Castle? The gun may have been his only alternative.
What did you expect him to do, just to run away. Anyway running might be something he is not used to.....

 

[mewmewmew13]

Oscar's side of the tale…http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/09/world/africa/oscar-pistorius-trial.html?hpw&rref=sports&_r=0

looking forward to the cross-exam
we'll see his demeanor then

 

[Bosco10]

I watched the trial live-stream this morning. Pistorius is a piece of work. I was surprised that his voice sounded so pathetically wimpy and shrill. Then I was told that he is faking that voice! Reason: witnesses claim they heard a woman repeatedly scream during the time of the murder, but Oscar says it was his voice they were hearing because he screams likes a lady.

 

[mewmewmew13]

reading this…I hope he's sunk because I don't believe anything he has to say..

http://www.theweek.co.uk/world-news...-reeva-autopsy-devastating-athletes-case-live

 

[mewmewmew13]

saw this on digger's twitter TL...
thankx dig..

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...r-pistorious-trial-reeva-steenkamp?CMP=twt_gu

 

[ILovecycling]

Interesting and brutal case.
Imo he will face imprisonment,his defending is pretty bad.

 

[manafana]

hes killed her, hes clearly shown anger issues in past and his charactor witnesses are known existant.

 

[MarkvW]

Murder seems pretty obvious. He gashed himself on the stand when he destroyed his own self defense claim by saying he didn't mean to pull the trigger.

I'm not seeing much evidence of premeditation (or discussion of it) in the media, though.