Oscar Pistorius

[Descender]

For me is another question. Was any reason for someone like him to be angry..in the first place? Was anything wrong in his life? Except his disability which it seems that successfully manage to overcome he is in his middle twenties already: successful, famous for his achievements, rich, very popular to women, with a model girl-friend. Why someone like him had to be angry?

Are you serious?

I guess that settles it then. Everyone who is expected to be happy on paper MUST be happy in reality.

Case closed.

 

[peterst6906]

Just read an interesting tweet from a guy I know who's track through and through, stating his disappointment, but complete lack of shock in the steroid stories. Didn't go into 'huge' detail, but rather than this 'roid rage' nonsense, he simply discussed 200m splits from Daegu.

I'm waiting for a bit more than rumours before i finally decide, but if you know this guy and his cast iron bona fides, this ain't good...

If you mean Castas Goulas (@Isabre) then there hasn't been too much, except common sense. He obviously isn't surprised by it all, but hindsight is a wonderful thing.

 

[wirral]

He might say they were her steroids.

 

[martinvickers]

If you mean Castas Goulas (@Isabre) then there hasn't been too much, except common sense. He obviously isn't surprised by it all, but hindsight is a wonderful thing.

I do. He's tweeted a few others with bits and bobs too. I entirely accept the hindsight point, but CG's record is pretty good for knowing the sport. I pay a fair bit more attention to him than some, hindsight or not, put it that way...

And as a fan of track, i wish that sport had something like the clinic too, sometimes...

 

[zebedee]

The steroid story is emerging.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...r-charge-steroids-found-at-athletes-home.html

 

[iejeecee]

Come on people....

Those steroids were probably for his dog who has some rare steroids deficiency

 

[alitogata]

Are you serious?

I guess that settles it then. Everyone who is expected to be happy on paper MUST be happy in reality.

Case closed.

I don't understand why you answer to something that I didn't ask... I asked what is the reason for being angry, not what is the reason for being unhappy.. These are two completely different things. ( as far as I know) And yes I am serious.. what makes you believe the opposite?

 

[Descender]

I don't understand why you answer to something that I didn't ask... I asked what is the reason for being angry, not what is the reason for being unhappy.. These are two completely different things. ( as far as I know) And yes I am serious.. what makes you believe the opposite?

Your repeated and desperate attempts at making excuses for Pistorius's cold-blooded murder of a young girl.

And I'd say there is a pretty straighforward path from unhappiness to anger. You can swap "happy" with "angry" on my post if that suits you better though.

In any case, there are reports about jealousy being a probable cause.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

I do. He's tweeted a few others with bits and bobs too. I entirely accept the hindsight point, but CG's record is pretty good for knowing the sport. I pay a fair bit more attention to him than some, hindsight or not, put it that way...

And as a fan of track, i wish that sport had something like the clinic too, sometimes...

There is letsrun forums for distance runners and track. You might find the forums way open and be put off by the funny stuff but if you read the threads some of the posts are serious with good info.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Your repeated and desperate attempts at making excuses for Pistorius's cold-blooded murder of a young girl.

And I'd say there is a pretty straighforward path from unhappiness to anger. You can swap "happy" with "angry" on my post if that suits you better though.

In any case, there are reports about jealousy being a probable cause.

True enough. Some Fish Wrap had a write up about BITCG(Bullet In The Chamber Guy) having threatened to break some other mans legs.

 

[alitogata]

Your repeated and desperate attempts at making excuses for Pistorius's cold-blooded murder of a young girl.

And I'd say there is a pretty straighforward path from unhappiness to anger. You can swap "happy" with "angry" on my post if that suits you better though.

In any case, there are reports about jealousy being a probable cause.

Hm...But can you tell me now why you are taking all this, so seriously? We just talking here and comment on what happened while we read more details about this story. We don't have to take it so seriously.

Ok..Time to change mood. Music intermission to cool down for a moment because this story makes us all a little nervous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45drOlTTTA8

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

The other parallel is Chris Benoit who was on a cocktail of steroids when he murdered his wife and son.

 

[Hawkwood]

The steroid story is emerging.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...r-charge-steroids-found-at-athletes-home.html

That story has a link to this article on sporting heros, it makes interesting reading: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journali...unwarranted-mythology-of-Oscar-Pistorius.html

 

[Dr. Maserati]

He might say they were her steroids.

......and that she broke in to his house to place them in his bathroom.

As much as the steroids found in his home is an interesting angle - this still appears to be a guy who has a strong sense of self entitlement who cannot control his anger. Steroids would only add to that.

 

[erader]

IT is starting to look like there is only one question left to be answered.
Was he angry because he was taking steroids or was he angry and taking steroids?
To me it really does not matter which it was.

it doesn't matter. being a dope cheat is not an excuse for premeditated murder. will or won't a rich, white icon get the maximun sentence for a brutal premeditated murder? that's really the only unanswered question here.

 

[thirteen]

The other parallel is Chris Benoit who was on a cocktail of steroids when he murdered his wife and son.

did they find that was the case? anything else (recreational drugs or alcohol)? i'm asking in all seriousness. i missed it.

never mind, duh! goggle is my friend

 

[Briant_Gumble]

The other parallel is Chris Benoit who was on a cocktail of steroids when he murdered his wife and son.

I think whilst a lot of people cried roid rage on that case it was obscured a lot when I think of the doctors at the autopsy said he had the level of dementia of an 80 year old man?

That case might be brought up a lot again as this plays out.

 

[alitogata]

it doesn't matter. being a dope cheat is not an excuse for premeditated murder. will or won't a rich, white icon get the maximun sentence for a brutal premeditated murder? that's really the only unanswered question here.

What will tha maximum sentence do?
Will it bring the dead girl back in life?
Stop doping in any sport?
Stop the next guy to take Pistorius place, ( same life style, similar bahaviors/achievements etc?)
Make Pistorius feel sorry for his actions?

My point is that as long any races keep on be done the way they are done now, there rules of the game will be the same, the players similar and nothing is going to change.

The next "Pistorius" is standing on the corner.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

I think whilst a lot of people cried roid rage on that case it was obscured a lot when I think of the doctors at the autopsy said he had the level of dementia of an 80 year old man?

That case might be brought up a lot again as this plays out.

I think the WWE preferred the 'brain injury from too many chairshots' theory to the roid rage issue as steroid use would potentially involve pretty much everyone in the company.

Vince McMahon got off on a federal steroid supply trial by the skin of his teeth in the 80s-90s.

I laughed when I saw that the Rock was in an advert where he ran out of milk. There is a story that he took so many steroids that he started lactating.

As I recall the WWE never toured Washington State for several years because the local athletic commission had steroid testing.

Thirteen - he had a fair mix of drugs in his system but nothing that was a 'smoking gun' in terms of 'roid rage' and it was enough for the WWE to say 'steroids not to blame'.

 

[thirteen]

I think the WWE preferred the 'brain injury from too many chairshots' theory to the roid rage issue as steroid use would potentially involve pretty much everyone in the company.

Vince McMahon got off on a federal steroid supply trial by the skin of his teeth in the 80s-90s.

I laughed when I saw that the Rock was in an advert where he ran out of milk. There is a story that he took so many steroids that he started lactating.

As I recall the WWE never toured Washington State for several years because the local athletic commission had steroid testing.

Thirteen - he had a fair mix of drugs in his system but nothing that was a 'smoking gun' in terms of 'roid rage' and it was enough for the WWE to say 'steroids not to blame'.

thank you, Mrs John Murphy. there was a certain period when i was living in Paris where i missed a lot of news like this, due to language barriers. (i would pour over L'Equipe with a dictionary for certain stories, but others I would skip and/or were not reported.)

i find this fascinating, though very very sad.

i mean, which came first -- the chicken or the egg? like certain riders response to EPO, is there something in the genetic make-up that makes 'roid rage' a real determining factor? or is it just a good excuse for evil acts, that they were ticking time-bombs regardless? i simply can't imagine steroid use making otherwise gentle men into murderers, otherwise there would be a whole mess of other cases. still...

 

[Cyivel]

I remember when John Cena on some TV show tried to say they didn't find any steroids at Benoit's house, only testosterone, didn't get picked up on it either.

 

[Cerberus]

What will tha maximum sentence do?
Will it bring the dead girl back in life?
Stop doping in any sport?
Stop the next guy to take Pistorius place, ( same life style, similar bahaviors/achievements etc?)
Make Pistorius feel sorry for his actions?

My point is that as long any races keep on be done the way they are done now, there rules of the game will be the same, the players similar and nothing is going to change.

The next "Pistorius" is standing on the corner.

What's your point? Pistorius shouldn't be given a hard sentence because it won't magically solve all the worlds problems?

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

thank you, Mrs John Murphy. there was a certain period when i was living in Paris where i missed a lot of news like this, due to language barriers. (i would pour over L'Equipe with a dictionary for certain stories, but others I would skip and/or were not reported.)

i find this fascinating, though very very sad.

i mean, which came first -- the chicken or the egg? like certain riders response to EPO, is there something in the genetic make-up that makes 'roid rage' a real determining factor? or is it just a good excuse for evil acts, that they were ticking time-bombs regardless? i simply can't imagine steroid use making otherwise gentle men into murderers, otherwise there would be a whole mess of other cases. still...

I don't think anyone really knows. Years of steroids and chairshots to the head can't have helped.

The WWE is somehow able to avoid a lot of scrutiny because sadly, no one in the media takes it seriously - afterall, its professional wrestling where people pretend to hurt one another.

Want an idea how bad the death toll is - this is ex-wwe wrestlers who have died under the age of 50 since Benoit's death (2007):

Giant Gonzalez 44
Luna Vachon 48
Lance Cade - 29
Chris Kanyon - 40
Ludvig Borga - 47
Steve Williams - 49
Umaga - 36
Steven Dunn - 48
Andrew 'Test' Martin - 33
Brian Adams - 43
Doug Furnass - 50

 

[Benotti69]

Want an idea how bad the death toll is - this is ex-wwe wrestlers who have died under the age of 50 since Benoit's death (2007):

Giant Gonzalez 44
Luna Vachon 48
Lance Cade - 29
Chris Kanyon - 40
Ludvig Borga - 47
Steve Williams - 49
Umaga - 36
Steven Dunn - 48
Andrew 'Test' Martin - 33
Brian Adams - 43
Doug Furnass - 50

Pure Darwinian.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

^^ Didn't realise it was still that bad, I thought it had cleaned up a bit the list of deaths under 50 since the 80's would be horrendous.

Andrew "test" Martin died of a head trauma related condition similar to what Benoit was thought to have developed although in that case he didn't take his family down with him.