Paris - Nice 2021, March 7 - March 14

[cen]

One thing I don't quite understand, how do Bennett and Kruijswijk get burned off on a 90km stage with 20km to go?

 

[zlev11]

As much as I think crashes and mechanicals are part of cycling and waiting is silly - even as a Schleck fan, I wasn’t mad at Contador - you can hardly tell stories about this win to your grandchildren. He beat a weak field by taking advantage of a fallen rider when he wasn’t even the strongest rider. I don’t have an issue with not waiting as I said, but it is an important part of the story.

Whomever wins Tirreno Adriatico this week has a far more impressive week.

IMO the Schleck/Contador thing was different, that was a stage where an actual difference could be made. Nobody was going to drop Roglic or anyone in the top 10 on this course today. The whole friggin GC group once waited for Froome on the final climb of the queen stage of the TDF once for gods sake.

 

[Rackham]

One thing I don't quite understand, how do Bennet and Kruijswijk get burned off on a 90km stage with 20km to go?

Same thing happened in the Vuelta last October when there was a rain jacket incident which caused Roglic to breach a gap by himself.

schachmann said in interview he had to make a big effort to get back, so what now?

Schachmann was 80 km out, no one deliberately pulled to drop him (until proven otherwise, that's just idle fantastical speculation) & the race was (as is always the case) chaotic at such a point until a breakaway group is formed.

Meanwhile when the yellow jersey falls & the peloton pulls to drop him... yeah, no comment required. To do so for a little warm-up race like Paris-Nice is also pretty "interesting" as well. Jumbo won't forget this one, neither will Roglic.

And we all know what happens when something bad happens to him, i.e. he comes back stronger. This will be no different.

 

[kingjr]

Same thing happened in the Vuelta last October when there was a rain jacket incident which caused Roglic to breach a gap by himself.



Schachmann was 80 km out, no one deliberately pulled to drop him (until proven otherwise, that's just idle fantastical speculation) & the race was (as is always the case) chaotic at such a point until a breakaway group is formed.

Meanwhile when the yellow jersey falls & the peloton pulls to drop him... yeah, no comment required. To do so for a little warm-up race like Paris-Nice is also pretty "interesting" as well. Jumbo won't forget this one, neither will Roglic.

And we all know what happens when something bad happens to him, i.e. he comes back stronger. This will be no different.

They should though, otherwise the circle will just continue.

 

[Extinction]

Not true. Quite a few dropped guys gave him a wheel. What race did you watch?

The same as you.

 

[Rackham]

They should though, otherwise the circle will just continue.

There wasn't a "circle" until a few hours ago, so...

i.e. what had Roglic done to Bora other than repeatedly beat their leader on the road? Do Bora care so much about the feelings of a Swiss rider on the Bahrain team? Did they use that incident to believe the end justifies the means?

Because if winning a race is now just a matter of the yellow jersey falling off his bike & the peloton dropping him, that sets a very, very alarming precedent IMO. I certainly cannot ever remember such an incident.

 

[saganftw]

Same thing happened in the Vuelta last October when there was a rain jacket incident which caused Roglic to breach a gap by himself.



Schachmann was 80 km out, no one deliberately pulled to drop him (until proven otherwise, that's just idle fantastical speculation) & the race was (as is always the case) chaotic at such a point until a breakaway group is formed.

Meanwhile when the yellow jersey falls & the peloton pulls to drop him... yeah, no comment required. To do so for a little warm-up race like Paris-Nice is also pretty "interesting" as well. Jumbo won't forget this one, neither will Roglic.

And we all know what happens when something bad happens to him, i.e. he comes back stronger. This will be no different.

appart from the over the top drama you are writing here, why are you conveniently leaving out the fact the peloton waited for him when he crashed the first time?

and what does that mean "Jumbo wont forget this one"...like what are they gonna do? they are already winning races, they already compete for GTs

or they gonna stop talking to Bora,Astana and Cofidis like quickstep fellows to groenewegen? that will show them

 

[Lequack]

Maybe the new unwritten rule is that you can only crash once, and the second time is free for all.

 

[Carols]

The same as you.

Well I saw at least 5 guys give him a wheel. So why do you keep saying no one helped him over and over?

 

[SafeBet]

Every time something like this happens I find myself amazed by how many fans assume sports should be played abiding by some sort of ethical code they believe in.

 

[saganftw]

Maybe the new unwritten rule is that you can only crash once, and the second time is free for all.

yeah but now that you have written it,its no longer unwritten rule

 

[BlueRoads]

To me the real question is why did Roglic not have any team-mates left to help him? It seems to me some of Roglic's bad luck or the consequences can be attributed to not-so-great tactical stuff from Jumbo. The more I see, the more I'm not convinced by them. Also, Roglic did not have the strongest support here... because they try to give everyone of their amazing team their own chances these days. That's a good thing for the atmosphere in the team, but it can have consequences.

 

[saganftw]

To me the real question is why did Roglic not have any team-mates left to help him? It seems to me some of Roglic's bad luck or the consequences can be attributed to not-so-great tactical stuff from Jumbo. The more I see, the more I'm not convinced by them. Also, Roglic did not have the strongest support here... because they try to give everyone of their amazing team their own chances these days. That's a good thing for the atmosphere in the team, but it can have consequences.

he did,read kruiswijk interview, they were just spent in the windy valley

 

[Netserk]

One thing I don't quite understand, how do Bennett and Kruijswijk get burned off on a 90km stage with 20km to go?

RaboFail. They have the whole team immediately with him, instead of leaving half of them up the road able to drop back later in the chase.

 

[Frankschleck]

Well Bora were leading most of the day trying to go for the stage. Sucks for Roglic, but racing is racing. The teams did nothing wrong. Roglic went down with a good fight, and hats of to him as a human saying congratulations afterwards. But come on guys, you can't make your own ethical rules and tell the riders to follow them.

 

[RedheadDane]

Every time something like this happens I find myself amazed by how many fans assume sports should be played abiding by some sort of ethical code they believe in.

Yeah, if it turned out that someone from Bora purposedly crashed Roglic the second time, then it's a different matter. Coz, honestly; not crashing your oponents on purpose should really be the only ethical code in cycling.
Nobody is obligated to give wins to rivals. However, sometimes riders do, when there has been an asgreement during the stage, which wasn't the case yesterday.
Nobody is obligated to wait for rivals. However, sometimes riders do, when the race is far from the finish, which wasn't the case today.

 

[Rackham]

Every time something like this happens I find myself amazed by how many fans assume sports should be played abiding by some sort of ethical code they believe in.

Those unwritten rules existed for a reason, otherwise things will get ugly.

What I don't get is how some people are so quick to believe a peloton pulling to drop a crashed yellow jersey (on the final stage) over 25km from the line is apparently an okay new normal which wouldn't have consequences if it became the norm.

 

[saganftw]

Yeah, if it turned out that someone from Bora purposedly crashed Roglic the second time, then it's a different matter. Coz, honestly; not crashing your oponents on purpose should really be the only ethical code in cycling.
Nobody is obligated to give wins to rivals. However, sometimes riders do, when there has been an asgreement during the stage, which wasn't the case yesterday.
Nobody is obligated to wait for rivals. However, sometimes riders do, when the race is far from the finish, which wasn't the case today.

one of classic examples of asgreement was 2020 Kuurne-Brussels-Kuurne

 

[SafeBet]

Yeah, if it turned out that someone from Bora purposedly crashed Roglic the second time, then it's a different matter. Coz, honestly; not crashing your oponents on purpose should really be the only ethical code in cycling.

I truly hope crashing an opponent is forbidden by the written rules and you don't need an ethical code for that.

 

[Netserk]

Those unwritten rules existed for a reason

Yes, the reason is to favour the already dominant teams.

 

[cellardoor]

To me the real question is why did Roglic not have any team-mates left to help him? It seems to me some of Roglic's bad luck or the consequences can be attributed to not-so-great tactical stuff from Jumbo. The more I see, the more I'm not convinced by them. Also, Roglic did not have the strongest support here... because they try to give everyone of their amazing team their own chances these days. That's a good thing for the atmosphere in the team, but it can have consequences.

Boy, did he need Tony Martin today.

 

[tobydawq]

To me the real question is why did Roglic not have any team-mates left to help him? It seems to me some of Roglic's bad luck or the consequences can be attributed to not-so-great tactical stuff from Jumbo. The more I see, the more I'm not convinced by them. Also, Roglic did not have the strongest support here... because they try to give everyone of their amazing team their own chances these days. That's a good thing for the atmosphere in the team, but it can have consequences.

Honestly, is their team so amazing? Roglic and Van Aert, sure, but their depth is definitely more shallow than last year. They only have 27 riders and a lot of them are not somebody you would think could be a captain in their own right on another team like Ineos.

And yes, I know about Kuss, Harper, Bennett, Harper, Kruijswijk, Harper, Vingegaard, Harper and Harper.

 

[RedheadDane]

And yes, I know about Kuss, Harper, Bennett, Harper, Kruijswijk, Harper Vingegaard, Harper and Harper.

You forgot about Harper!

 

[Valv.Piti]

How the *** is Harper

 

[BlueRoads]

Honestly, is their team so amazing? Roglic and Van Aert, sure, but their depth is definitely more shallow than last year. They only have 27 riders and a lot of them are not somebody you would think could be a captain in their own right on another team like Ineos.

And yes, I know about Kuss, Harper, Bennett, Harper, Kruijswijk, Harper Vingegaard, Harper and Harper.

Well, okay, I was exaggerating. I meant van Aert and Kuss, mostly. Kuss could have helped on that mountain stage when (anyway he didn't need him) he was isolated rather early, and van Aert on a day like today.