Paris - Nice 2021, March 7 - March 14

[IndianCyclist]

Mader had too less time to play with. he should have been caught a lot earlier.
As far as Roglic goes, his team worked a lot for him. So he wanted to win. It would be cruel to gift someone else's work to another person. But if he and his team had thought through( in about a minute), it would be greater value to be magnanimous( 1 in ~50 wins vs the publicity of rising above petty goals). The only thing that Roglic would be accused of is shortsightedness.

 

[topt]

Can't believe people actually expect a rider to gift the win to someone from another team..

probably the same people that thought Roglic should work for WVA in WC

 

[Cookster15]

I am not fussed about gifts. Gifts just devalues and disrespects other riders. If you are good enough you win its as simple as that. The real takeaway is the Jumbo-Visma are in white hot form already. Scary what they will have at the TdF. Ineos who.

 

[topt]

Maybe so. But then his rivals shouldn't wait for him if he has a puncture 10 kilometers from the finish line in the Tour de France.

so you mean like Movistar did at Vuelta

 

[IndianCyclist]

probably the same people that thought Roglic should work for WVA in WC

the context is extremely different.
Mader - Roglic - No relationship
Roglic - WVA - Close trade teammates

 

[jaylew]

Chris Horner on todays stage

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdCNgRlDKV4

Listening to him talk races through was one of the main reasons I became a fan. I love how much he obviously enjoys the intricacies of the race.

 

[yaco]

And you think Mader would be grateful to Roglic if Primoz only sat in the bunch? He would thought he was strong enough to hold on, and wouldn't even know he got a gift! And what did he do to deserve this gift? Tiralongo was an ex-teammate and friend of Contador, Szmyd worked with Valverde 10km's up Ventoux , and what Mader did for Roglic?

Exactly - Gifts happen when you work with a rival - For example, if Mader had jumped with Roglic ( who is seeking time on GC ) then you deliver a gift.

 

[SafeBet]

Actually it's true, no matter what he does, there are always some users here who criticize him.

Isn't this true for any dominant rider though?
I don't find Roglic being more disliked than, say, Froome or Valverde at their peaks. And I'm not even going back to the Lance days, lol.

It's part of the package really.

 

[topt]

Far too many 'romantics' following the sport. It's all about winning - that is their job, what they get paid for; winning!! I actually think there's nothing worse in sport than being 'gifted' wins - I can recall Berger winning the Japanese GP in 1991, as a 'thank you' off Senna....it's not really a win.

not only that, if I remember correctly ferrari was punished cause Schumacher gifted victory to Barrichello on the finish line

 

[Red Rick]

Okay, now the real question

Will Roglic sprint to save his green jersey vs Sam Bennett

 

[wheresmybrakes]

I think I may have a little trickle in my pants if Mader is in the break and he gets pipped at the line again.

 

[IndianCyclist]

not only that, if I remember correctly ferrari was punished cause Schumacher gifted victory to Barrichello on the finish line

that was because Barrichello, on team orders, allowed Schumacher to win Austria 2002 inspite of being faster. I doubt Schumacher gifted anything in his career.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Exactly - Gifts happen when you work with a rival - For example, if Mader had jumped with Roglic ( who is seeking time on GC ) then you deliver a gift.

Not necessarily. Sometimes the deals are being negotiated from the team cars without involvement from the riders. In this situation Bahrain could have offered to help Jumbo during some other race, if Roglic didn't attack, although there was probably not enough time to do something like that. Now I'm not suggesting that Bahrain should have done it either. But although I'm not sure how common it is these days, it's definitely something that has occurred through history.

 

[yaco]

Not necessarily. Sometimes the deals are being negotiated from the team cars without involvement from the riders. In this situation Bahrain could have offered to help Jumbo during some other race, if Roglic didn't attack, although there was probably not enough time to do something like that. Now I'm not suggesting that Bahrain should have done it either. But although I'm not sure how common it is these days, it's definitely something that has occurred through history.

Absolutely this has happened in the past and will still happen in the future - The misplaced anger at Roglic is because some don't understand the nuances of cycling - Multiple teams including Bike Exchange, Cofidis, Astana etc rode to protect their GC aspirations, while of course their were two or three riders who were close on GC - Jumbo were backseat passengers, except for a period of one or two km's on the final climb.

 

[gregrowlerson]

If Mader had ridden with Roglic for some period of time, helping him extend his lead in the GC, then I can see some reason for a gifted stage win. But the way in which the stage was played out meant that there was NO good reason whatsoever for Roglic to gift the stage.

P.S. And since when do the Swiss help anyone?

 

[Offline]

Really bad Paris-Nice so far. Weak peloton, almost a second division to Tirreno. Roglic and Bennett winning on 50-75%.

Even UAE tour was better and more fun to watch than this Paris-Nice.

 

[tobydawq]

Really bad Paris-Nice so far. Weak peloton, almost a second division to Tirreno. Roglic and Bennett winning on 50-75%.

Even UAE tour was better and more fun to watch than this Paris-Nice.

50%, really?

 

[Offline]

Oversaturated, but you got my point.

 

[tobydawq]

Oversaturated, but you got my point.

Not really.

 

[HelloDolly]

Roglic chute

 

[Faserr]

Roglic crashed but the peleton was waiting and he is back. Even Mäder didn't attack.

 

[Carols]

Wow that's some skin off for Primoz

 

[RedheadDane]

Crash. Lutsenko! Doesn't look good...

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Roglic gapped on the descent.

 

[Luthor]

Roglic in trouble.