Paris-Nice 2024, March 3-10

[RobertCrawley]

Remco on winning the green jersey: "Feel like Mark Cavendish, eh!"

 

[RobertCrawley]

Mateo seems like a really good guy. He's even got down the cycling-speak, yah.

Seb Piquet is in Tour de France form also.

Yah.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1766871890638098882

View: https://x.com/NBCSCycling/status/1766871890638098882?s=20

 

[Sciatic]

Let's game this out a little more. And I agree with you perfectly... almost.

Remco forces the selection and sits on Jorg's wheel perfectly as did Vlasov.

A fresher Remco drops a worked Jorgensen on that final climb in any other situation for the necessary 30 second AND wins the stage. No second place anything. Wins the stage and the race.

I think Jorgenson could have made up some of the time on the descent, but maybe not enough in that short distance. He definitely wasn’t going all-out on the descents today given the overall was pretty much in the bag already.

 

[Lequack]

The Belgians angry at Roglic:

Renaat and José saw strong Remco Evenepoel in Paris-Nice: "But Roglic has ruined things a bit"​

“We should not keep whining about those who were not there. The person who was there was Primoz Roglic. But he ruined things a little for Evenepoel because he kept keeping an eye on him. So the others could take advantage and stay away.”

Renaat en José zagen sterke Remco Evenepoel in Parijs-Nice: "Maar Roglic heeft de boel een beetje verpest" | sporza

Remco Evenepoel zelf blikte tevreden terug op zijn eerste rittenkoers op Franse bodem. Wat zijn de conclusies van ons commentaarduo Renaat Schotte en José De Cauwer na Parijs-Nice? "Het scheelde één tactische beslissing of hij had alle klassementen gewonnen", klinkt het, samen met een puntje van...

sporza.be

 

[Escarabajo]

LOL. Slamming the phone for a second place???
Comedy gold from the Knucklehead king!

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCsTQDrupX8

 

[Elos Anjos]

The Belgians angry at Roglic:

Renaat and José saw strong Remco Evenepoel in Paris-Nice: "But Roglic has ruined things a bit"​

“We should not keep whining about those who were not there. The person who was there was Primoz Roglic. But he ruined things a little for Evenepoel because he kept keeping an eye on him. So the others could take advantage and stay away.”

Renaat en José zagen sterke Remco Evenepoel in Parijs-Nice: "Maar Roglic heeft de boel een beetje verpest" | sporza

Remco Evenepoel zelf blikte tevreden terug op zijn eerste rittenkoers op Franse bodem. Wat zijn de conclusies van ons commentaarduo Renaat Schotte en José De Cauwer na Parijs-Nice? "Het scheelde één tactische beslissing of hij had alle klassementen gewonnen", klinkt het, samen met een puntje van...

sporza.be

This is borderline pathological.

 

[Sandisfan]

Thats just another excuse.

Remco : I can probably step up ( a level) but that is up to the coaches and the staff ???

They probably used the regular store bought double A batteries instead of the good brands like duracell or energizer Ones for this race. LOL Just kidding...not a You Know What sub forum reference.

 

[Oldermanish]

If this PN has shown us one thing it's that the Jumbo Visma effect is real. Jorgenson is a talented rider but I didn't expect this from him (yet). Instant improvement. And in Roglic' case, the opposite seems true as well

You haven't checked any of Matteo's results for the past few years. He had options to go on other teams and chose JV. He had a choice because he showed he promise and delivered.
Roglic's choice was to bail on the last 20km today because his teammate was up the road in a break. Would you have him chase Vlasov down?

 

[Oldermanish]

LOL. Slamming the phone for a second place???
Comedy gold from the Knucklehead king!

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCsTQDrupX8

It's hard for a one hero fan base to accept a loss. He got beat and he acknowledged it and I didn't hear him make this excuse, yet. If he thought about how he rode he'd learn from it and not complain.

 

[AmRacer]

Let's game this out a little more. And I agree with you perfectly... almost.

Remco forces the selection and sits on Jorg's wheel perfectly as did Vlasov.

A fresher Remco drops a worked Jorgensen on that final climb in any other situation for the necessary 30 second AND wins the stage. No second place anything. Wins the stage and the race.

But that's how cycling races works. Maybe a fresher Jorgenson could hang on to a fresher Remco.

 

[frisenfruitig]

You haven't checked any of Matteo's results for the past few years. He had options to go on other teams and chose JV. He had a choice because he showed he promise and delivered.
Roglic's choice was to bail on the last 20km today because his teammate was up the road in a break. Would you have him chase Vlasov down?

I am aware of Jorgensen, but you can't deny the significant improvement. Look at all the guys he comfortably he won against in PN, he wasn't doing that last year. It's not like he got lucky or anything, he was actually outclimbing guys like Vlasov, with ease.

As far as Roglic, I'm not talking about yesterday only, he just hasn't looked like the Roglic we are used to seeing (yet).

 

[iBanesto]

Somehow, he found a way to finish top 10.

Unfortunately, it was 11th for Almeida in the GC.

GC was missing Kelderman for some reason.

 

[tobydawq]

Unfortunately, it was 11th for Almeida in the GC.

GC was missing Kelderman for some reason.

Yeah, I know. Kelderman crashed in the final 3 kilometres so got the same time as the group he was with. But that was only adjusted later.

 

[Taxus4a]

Remco will blow up if he starts doing the change of pace

People need to stop listening to Horner. Horner is a flyweight climber who made his selections by changing the pace. Remco won the Vuelta by setting a very hard and steady pace and blowing everyone off his wheel. He did that to everyone today except for the overall winner. Only one could follow. Even Vlasov ended up blowing up

Yes. He is lucky he IS so good and even without team he can drop everybody just with an strong rythm...but if that doesnt work, becouse someone is similar to you, you cant go pulling with him at your wheel. If he played for second, great...but a rider as Remco, excep he IS fighteen with Pogacar, Vingegard...the stage is too hard and has clear second is the máximum he cant reach..but even in that situation, must play to win...
He is an exceptional rider who won San Sebastián with dominance at 19 years old. Does he think that draft IS not a clear help in cycling at about 20 km/h?. Someone must teach him that... He was the strongest of the race...Jorgensson very close, but he was the strongest , and he didnt play well hid cards to win. He had to Risk the podium, yes. But was the only way to win without an strong teammate

I cant ask more to Roglic, he had no legs for more...It is good as well his team mates play their cards

 

[Taxus4a]

Let's game this out a little more. And I agree with you perfectly... almost.

Remco forces the selection and sits on Jorg's wheel perfectly as did Vlasov.

A fresher Remco drops a worked Jorgensen on that final climb in any other situation for the necessary 30 second AND wins the stage. No second place anything. Wins the stage and the race.

But It is very difficult to drop someone Who IS at your wheel the previous 20 km, even if you have a fresh and powerfull attack. Put at his wheel , if he stop, wait the rest, someone will attack or put rythm for sure..and a poeerfull attack on the last climb, or even at Eze, can give you the GC...Remco alone always put time on the rest, exceot some very exceptional riders of these generation. He IS very good , but he has some weakness, in technic and in tacthic...

 

[shadowrider]

Literally no one in cycling is going to say “oh my god why is remco losing his second place podium???”

Because everyone is now talking about how does he expect to win the tour if he can’t beat the 6th man on vismas depth chart

The 6th man on Visma's chart ? Hilarious ! So, explain ? Jorgenson was already the strongest Vismarider in "het Nieuwsblad". On short hills and cobbles. In P-N again, Jorgeson proved to be an excellent allrounder and climber. As strong as Evenepoel and stronger than McNulty, Skjelmose, the nr. 3 climber in the world Roglic, Vlasov etc.
If Jorgenson is the nr. 6 in the Visma-team, who are the numbers 2, 3, 4 and 5 ? Kuss ? Beaten by Evenepoel in the Algarve ? Uijtdebroeks, only 7th in the Tirreno ? Van Aert (maybe the best allrounder, or is it Jorgenson) ? Laporte ?

 

[ColonelKidneyBeans]

Yes. He is lucky he IS so good and even without team he can drop everybody just with an strong rythm...but if that doesnt work, becouse someone is similar to you, you cant go pulling with him at your wheel. If he played for second, great...but a rider as Remco, excep he IS fighteen with Pogacar, Vingegard...the stage is too hard and has clear second is the máximum he cant reach..but even in that situation, must play to win...
He is an exceptional rider who won San Sebastián with dominance at 19 years old. Does he think that draft IS not a clear help in cycling at about 20 km/h?. Someone must teach him that... He was the strongest of the race...Jorgensson very close, but he was the strongest , and he didnt play well hid cards to win. He had to Risk the podium, yes. But was the only way to win without an strong teammate

I cant ask more to Roglic, he had no legs for more...It is good as well his team mates play their cards

The problem for Evenepoel is that his team does not have the luxury to jeopardise a good result for a potential win right now, he's more or less the only rider of theirs that performs in the big races since 2022.

 

[scribers]

Give me a break. Jorgensen winning a stage race? Out-climbing world class climbers? Lol

Jorg should have spent that 30km +/- alone. Remco should have raced to win or lose it all. The race was remcos to dictate.

There was a pathway to win the stage and the race but remco couldn’t find it.

 

[scribers]

The 6th man on Visma's chart ? Hilarious ! So, explain ? Jorgenson was already the strongest Vismarider in "het Nieuwsblad". On short hills and cobbles. In P-N again, Jorgeson proved to be an excellent allrounder and climber. As strong as Evenepoel and stronger than McNulty, Skjelmose, the nr. 3 climber in the world Roglic, Vlasov etc.
If Jorgenson is the nr. 6 in the Visma-team, who are the numbers 2, 3, 4 and 5 ? Kuss ? Beaten by Evenepoel in the Algarve ? Uijtdebroeks, only 7th in the Tirreno ? Van Aert (maybe the best allrounder, or is it Jorgenson) ? Laporte ?

You remember what happened to Jorgensen at omloop hn when he spent too much time in the front of the race alone with a climb left to the finish?

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Yeah, I know. Kelderman crashed in the final 3 kilometres so got the same time as the group he was with. But that was only adjusted later.

Broke his collarbone. Guy breaks when you poke him.

 

[tobydawq]

Broke his collarbone. Guy breaks when you poke him.

Damn. I don't even have a particularly beefy index finger.

Tough luck for him. I read that this was maybe the only race where he would ride for a personal result.

 

[shadowrider]

You remember what happened to Jorgensen at omloop hn when he spent too much time in the front of the race alone with a climb left to the finish?

Of course. But he tried. He was one of the strongest that day, together with Skjuins. And better than his teammates Van Aert and the later winner Tratnik. So, what is your point ? In my eyes, Jorgenson is still the second or third (together with Van Aert) in Visma's quality ranking. And the second allround and in climbing in stageraces after Vingegaard.

 

[houtdffan]

Yes. He is lucky he IS so good and even without team he can drop everybody just with an strong rythm...but if that doesnt work, becouse someone is similar to you, you cant go pulling with him at your wheel. If he played for second, great...but a rider as Remco, excep he IS fighteen with Pogacar, Vingegard...the stage is too hard and has clear second is the máximum he cant reach..but even in that situation, must play to win...
He is an exceptional rider who won San Sebastián with dominance at 19 years old. Does he think that draft IS not a clear help in cycling at about 20 km/h?. Someone must teach him that... He was the strongest of the race...Jorgensson very close, but he was the strongest , and he didnt play well hid cards to win. He had to Risk the podium, yes. But was the only way to win without an strong teammate

I cant ask more to Roglic, he had no legs for more...It is good as well his team mates play their cards

It's because Remco climbs like Ullrich and Indurain. Changes of pace are what kills him (even Contador to an extent had that issue, his best times were when he did his own pace up the climbs, even in the 2013 TDF he set the fastest times up the MTT, but blew up when he responded to Froome's pace changes)

One thing that Remco's climbing tactic does is prevent others from attacking. Even Vingegaard couldn't attack in last year's Vuelta in the first half when he wanted to due to Remco's pace (especially stage 8). The knucklehead Horner said Remco was wrong for dictating the pace on that climb... but if you set a pace that even Vingegaard cannot attack, you must be doing something right

 

[scribers]

Van Aert was by far the strongest visma rider at omloop hn. This a serious conversation or what???

 

[Volderke]

In my eyes,

Jorgenson is still the second or third (together with Van Aert) in Visma's quality ranking.

And the second allround and in climbing in stageraces after Vingegaard.