Paris-Nice 2024, March 3-10

[jmdirt]

Remco didn’t even look for Jorg behind him in the sprint. They had a deal

He actually did look, but hey...

 

[Unchained]

Damn Almeida looks like he is not going to finish in the top 10 of the GC.

First time since the Deutschland Tour in 2021.

Little sad

 

[jmdirt]

Tbh his interviews have been pretty boring and sometimes I get a "what kind of stupid question is that" vibe from him. Doesn't seem to understand that the interview is a chance for the public to get to know his personality, or is his mind really that blank?

I just saw his post race interview: You are just bagging on him. That was a very typical post race interview, hardly any different from Remco just before him. He did have five or so nervous chuckles which only demonstrates how uncomfortable he is with being interviewed. Maybe he'll get more comfortable if he wins more, but maybe not.

EDIT: he also had a mix of happy smiles and 'what should I say' smiles.

EDIT: Here is one video behind the box:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBnkwuaj73o


Plus there is one on Peacock, and one on the TdF youtube that are similar.

 

[Lequack]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slHwOAvn9l8

 

[Unchained]

He actually did look, but hey...

2 k of tailgating and the American got to stand top step on the boxes!!Remco is sort of quirky, people describe him as a marked man, he says yeah so what, guy has wattage to power a city

 

[jmdirt]

Have never met Mateo. I know his sister's boyfriend and met her. She's not shy but considerate of Big Personalities around her. Her boyfriend and his bro are well known (Red Bull films, etc) Big Mountain skiers and guides. They are all pretty modest around here which is a good quality because there are athletes in their 70s, 80s that can humble a cocky jock. Same thing about Chamonix and other mountain towns, etc.; talented locals that rarely leave their home.

I gather he is smart and the first guy to mention him to me was an irrigation sales counter salesguy, about 60 years old. He'd ridden gravel with him and was stoked at some of Mateo's results 3 years ago and had followed him as a local junior.

For those that think Visma "manufactures" riders; you should know and most folks here also are aware Mateo learned how to own his training regimes. His success last year on Movistar involved spending most of his salary on refining nutrition/recovery and didn't come from nowhere. He would've had a spectacular Tour win last year had he not pulled the breakaway for 100(+)km. He is a WvA type that likes to climb. He's not Wout, yet.

OK, that was the story in my head, but I had forgotten that it was someone you had talked to and not you who had ridden gravel with him.

 

[Unchained]

Precisely. Vingegaard career trajectory seems much more suited to sustain a top level long term. Could be that Pogacar is just a LeBron who doesn't want to partake in logic, but him being a jack of all trades does have its downsides.

Very very few, a handful wouldn't want to be called the LeBron James of bike racing!! Now that he broke 40,000 career points, he knows that people are still keying on him, often requiring coaches to assign 2 defenders, to cover Ol' man LeBron!!
We all saw what happens in bike racing when you think you see something and your eyes deceive you, you see a grunt and he ends up winning the Vuelta!! Pogocar and Vindegaard are as valuable when they don't win because their reputation and resume command respect. And for me seeing a guy go after classics and GTs is absolutely awesome to watch.. Can't wait to see who shows up for MSR, Paris Roubaix and the others!! Little less talk about Wout be Swiss Army knife utility.. Jonas and Pog are great all around!!

 

[Unchained]

OK, that was the story in my head, but I had forgotten that it was a someone you had talked to and not you who had ridden gravel with him.

I was skiing at Solden and Jan Ulrich was there, does that count?

 

[Unchained]

What a stage! As I expected, action for 40+ km initiated by Evenepoel. Congrats to Remco on winning the stage, animating the race and dropping everyone but Jorgenson. He did everything he could but the American was simply too strong. Congrats to Matteo on his biggest success to date. Really impressive level by JV guy - no Roglic anymore but here comes Jorgenson! Speaking of Primoz, the worst one-week race by him I remember (excluding those he was hampered by an injury). He has a mountain to climb formwise to kick it with the mutants in July.



Remco tried with 3 strong accelerations but couldn't drop Jorgenson before. On the last climb he decided for a steady, very strong tempo, which is the way he dropped riders on steep gradients before. This didn't work as well. Nothing worked against Jorgenson today.

You did see that in that other race Alexander Kristoff got a solid second!!

 

[jmdirt]

I was skiing at Solden and Jan Ulrich was there, does that count?

depends on the year...

 

[Unchained]

depends on the year...

The decade

 

[jmdirt]

The decade

 

[Sciatic]

Just watched the replay. Pretty funny comment from Christian VDV about Remco’s victory celebration: “He’s so young, he’s probably never used a phone like that.”

 

[Unchained]

depends on the year...

And when I saw him with the round table of goons, and Lance ,Johan and Hindcappie were drinking beer and wine and Jan looked like he had just closed down the pizza buffet in Mallorca, I wanted to remember him from before.. The1960's Elvis!!

 

[saunaking]

Literally no one in cycling is going to say “oh my god why is remco losing his second place podium???”

Because everyone is now talking about how does he expect to win the tour if he can’t beat the 6th man on vismas depth chart

Newsflash. Nobody expects him to win the tour.
He doesn't expect to win the tour.
Already said he is targeting stages and top 5

 

[proffate]

I just saw his post race interview: You are just bagging on him. That was a very typical post race interview, hardly any different from Remco just before him. He did have five or so nervous chuckles which only demonstrates how uncomfortable he is with being interviewed. Maybe he'll get more comfortable if he wins more, but maybe not.

EDIT: he also had a mix of happy smiles and 'what should I say' smiles.

EDIT: Here is one video behind the box:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBnkwuaj73o


Plus there is one on Peacock, and one on the TdF youtube that are similar.

And I could say you are just defending him because you have some personal connection.

On a scale from "corporate press release" to "Mohoric tdf interview" I'd give that an "answers could have been written by chatgpt".

 

[jmdirt]

And I could say you are just defending him because you have some personal connection.

On a scale from "corporate press release" to "Mohoric tdf interview" I'd give that an "answers could have been written by chatgpt".

I am definitely defending him because I have met him (no real personal connection though really). Just as much, I am defending him, just like I have other racers, because WGaF about post race interviews.

You are bagging on him because that is the popular flavor. 'I can't fault his race so I'll fault his post race interview for its lack of song and dance. He should go take acting lessons'.

EDIT: obviously I was irritated with your initial assertion, but even when I give you a little insight into MJ's personality, you come back with 'he sounds chatgpt'. Not everyone is a dynamic, motivational public speaker. If MJ's post race was chatgpt, then so are 90% of post race interviews.

 

[scribers]

Newsflash. Nobody expects him to win the tour.
He doesn't expect to win the tour.
Already said he is targeting stages and top 5

He's sandbagging. If this was true he would ride the other GT's and do them seriously for gc.

 

[scribers]

Because it was already late in the stage, Evenepoel already did the most of the job before. I don't think he had the legs left good enough on that short last climb. Even after attacking, Evenepoel could only have taken a few seconds... to have to take risks in the descent.... and to quickly catch up again on the descent by the far better descender Jorgenson. By no longer taking the lead on the last climb, McNulty and co would have come close to the three (Vlasov wouldn't have been dropped, and could win the stage). Not close enough to prevent Jorgenson from winning P-N, but close enough to prevent Evenepoel from getting on the podium. So, anyway, it was the right tactical decision of Evenepoel. This is pro cycling, in real. not a computer game.

Remco couldn’t drop Jorg on the selection climb. And once Jorg was virtual leader on the road it’s on Jorg to defend it. Why on gods green earth remco kept driving is beyond me. With 15% percent decisive climb coming sit and recover because Jorgensen isn’t going to wait to see how Mcnulty is on that final climb behind him.

 

[Taxus4a]

IMO Remco didnt race to win, just for second...he doesnt know well hiño to manage when someone hold his wheel...It is quite stupid ton go on if the other is similar strong than you. Cycling is an sport of legs and brain and Remco looks to has just legs.

 

[tobydawq]

IMO Remco didnt race to win, just for second...he doesnt know well hiño to manage when someone hold his wheel...It is quite stupid ton go on if the other is similar strong than you. Cycling is an sport of legs and brain and Remco looks to has just legs.

hiño=how?

Some typo...

 

[scribers]

IMO Remco didnt race to win, just for second...he doesnt know well hiño to manage when someone hold his wheel...It is quite stupid ton go on if the other is similar strong than you. Cycling is an sport of legs and brain and Remco looks to has just legs.

Let's game this out a little more. And I agree with you perfectly... almost.

Remco forces the selection and sits on Jorg's wheel perfectly as did Vlasov.

A fresher Remco drops a worked Jorgensen on that final climb in any other situation for the necessary 30 second AND wins the stage. No second place anything. Wins the stage and the race.

 

[houtdffan]

IMO Remco didnt race to win, just for second...he doesnt know well hiño to manage when someone hold his wheel...It is quite stupid ton go on if the other is similar strong than you. Cycling is an sport of legs and brain and Remco looks to has just legs.

Remco will blow up if he starts doing the change of pace

People need to stop listening to Horner. Horner is a flyweight climber who made his selections by changing the pace. Remco won the Vuelta by setting a very hard and steady pace and blowing everyone off his wheel. He did that to everyone today except for the overall winner. Only one could follow. Even Vlasov ended up blowing up

 

[RobertCrawley]

Let's game this out a little more. And I agree with you perfectly... almost.

Remco forces the selection and sits on Jorg's wheel perfectly as did Vlasov.

A fresher Remco drops a worked Jorgensen on that final climb in any other situation for the necessary 30 second AND wins the stage. No second place anything. Wins the stage and the race.

This is exactly what I thought he would do. He has a history of riding blokes off his wheel (Pidders).

 

[frisenfruitig]

If this PN has shown us one thing it's that the Jumbo Visma effect is real. Jorgenson is a talented rider but I didn't expect this from him (yet). Instant improvement. And in Roglic' case, the opposite seems true as well