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hayneplane

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Good that no longer term injuries for Skjelmose as it was looking quite concerning with his lack of movement on the ground.

Insane performance from Mads P and kudos to Storer who seemed genuinely the strongest climber today of any group.

Visma did look weak but I would be surprised if anyone can take advantage and ambush Jorgensen tomorrow.
 
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Every bit of it where the peloton cannot pass through without splitting the group, that can end a cyclists career or life.
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As it could for any of us cycling in urban settings. I guess if one wanted to eliminate every danger posed by road features that would have to be on the teams. They are the employers and would have that responsibility to make sure riders are aware of every single road hazard. Race organizers will never be able to provide safety warnings for every curb, fence post, speed bump, etc.
 
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As it could for any of us cycling in urban settings. I guess if one wanted to eliminate every danger posed by road features that would have to be on the teams. They are the employers and would have that responsibility to make sure riders are aware of every single road hazard. Race organizers will never be able to provide safety warnings for every curb, fence post, speed bump, etc.
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Personally I think it is a shared experience that all sides can rally around and curb. Today there was a narrow uphill road with a bend and a hazard that split the group, and not enough notice. Rider should be aware of the course, team should be notifying riders of hazards, organizers need to do a better job with hazards/course selection/ and some safety measures, and local government needs to address the hazards if they want the race to pass through the town.
 
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Personally I think it is a shared experience that all sides can rally around and curb. Today there was a narrow uphill road with a bend and a hazard that split the group, and not enough notice. Rider should be aware of the course, team should be notifying riders of hazards, organizers need to do a better job with hazards/course selection/ and some safety measures, and local government needs to address the hazards if they want the race to pass through the town.
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I agree that would be optimal.
 
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Skjelmose posted this

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People are setting ridiculous expectations for organizers these days. They got to cover hundreds of kilometers for every stage, you can't put a full overhead banner for every road furniture/obstacle, that'd be just ridiculous expenses.
It wasn't a twisty or dangerous curve, there was enough space on either side of the road AND they had a guy signalling the issue in advance (and no, he couldn't stand on the obstacle itself because it was after a slight turn so they'd see him late and he would have a big risk of getting run over). It's a shite accident but these things always have a probability to happen in this sport. Really not a lot the organizers could've done about.

Oh and people are massively overrating "the money" organizers are making from these races. The GTs and the Dutch/Belgian classics collect good money because they're big enough and in terms of one day races over obscure cobble roads easier to organize. Smaller stage races are a total different issue, way more logistics required.
 
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I don’t think so. Visma just keeps is hard enough. If lipowitz had it he would have shown it today to get pressure on Jorgensen
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Visma can be reduced to just Jorgenson himself the moment the road turns upwards. Luckily for him he is a competent rider and only really has to keep an eye on Lipowitz. If Skjelmose had also still been in the race, it could have become a lot more dicey for him.
 
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My expectations for the stage is that a large break go clear before Porte, but that they'll have under a minute at the bottom of the climb and maybe only 30" at the top. Last riders from the breakaway to be caught before the top of Peille. Campenaerts will last until attacks start on Peille. Ineos will defend by attacking. Tarling/Swift in the break, Foss to attack on Porte. They can have three riders together over the top of Peille, neutralising any attacks on Arensman. Lipo must give it a go on Peille, but the situation could easily be quite unfavourable for him, and maybe he can win the stage if he waits for the last climb. McNulty will make a move after Peille, my hope is that he and Jorgenson get away together before the last climb. In the most controlled scenario, I think Jorgenson wins the stage.
 
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People are setting ridiculous expectations for organizers these days. They got to cover hundreds of kilometers for every stage, you can't put a full overhead banner for every road furniture/obstacle, that'd be just ridiculous expenses.
It wasn't a twisty or dangerous curve, there was enough space on either side of the road AND they had a guy signalling the issue in advance (and no, he couldn't stand on the obstacle itself because it was after a slight turn so they'd see him late and he would have a big risk of getting run over). It's a shite accident but these things always have a probability to happen in this sport. Really not a lot the organizers could've done about.

Oh and people are massively overrating "the money" organizers are making from these races. The GTs and the Dutch/Belgian classics collect good money because they're big enough and in terms of one day races over obscure cobble roads easier to organize. Smaller stage races are a total different issue, way more logistics required.
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Might want to read your second paragraph again.
 
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All the Visma riders signal the road furniture, and Van Dijke(?) immediately go to his right (he also signals with his left hand when he has it free).

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If there is to be any blame at all (other than the organizers but it's a difficult spot to position an official, standing right in front of the slab, so he would have to stand on an intermistically set ladder - not super safe neither), I would mention how you normally signal in group riding at obstacles.
Normally you signal with your arm pointing out from your body and clearly pointing down towards the obstacle/spot, accompanied by shouting warning about the obstacle.

The Visma rider, on the contrary, clearly signals that the riders behind should turn right free of the obstacle - but all too late. Now pro cycling is of course something else than a cozy group ride with 80% force of casuals at lower speed at this slightly 1-2% uphill, where it's the responsibility of the leading rider to signal warning with body and mouth.
In my opinion, this insistent pointing with arm fully out, signaling the behind riders to go the other way around - and too late - is a heavy contributing factor, of course together with Van Dijke (?) then parrying on this late order, where Hoole (and ultimately Skjelmose) have no chance.
 
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