Paris-Roubaix 2023, one day monument, April 9 (men's)

[movingtarget]

Hayman had a good record at Roubaix, but that doesn’t mean him winning it, from the early break, in a 4-up sprint with a TdF green jersey, wasn’t an upset/surprise/underdog result. You could dig up 100 preview articles, online and in print, from the week before the race, and any mention you might find about him would have been more about his broken arm than his chances of winning.

Yes but his race history showed he had the ability to win it.. The way he did win it was of course miraculous which is why that edition was so good. Sports journalists are renowned for getting it wrong.

 

[Ricco']

From what I saw, Phillipsen held his position which he is entitled to do. The initial mistake wasn't caused by him.

When Philipsen deviates from his trajectory, VDP and Degenkolb are already with their front wheel next to him and with more speed. If it was a sprint stage on flat roads, he would be considered at fault.

Here, I would say it's no more than a racing incident, like so many we have seen on cobbles over the years, with the difference that this time two teammates are involved and in the end they finished 1-2. Degenkolb could also avoided it if he wasn't trying to profiteer of the berm, removing the escape route option he could have, so as often happens in Roubaix, a myriad of factors contributed to it.

But it could easily have been the other way, ending up with the three of them on the ground and WVA sailing into the distance.

 

[tobydawq]

Van Aert would possibly have lost the sprint anyway, but it's a shame we'll never know. Van der Poel was obviously still a/the deserving winner

It'll be interesting to see if Philipsen will be able to challenge Van Aert for the green jersey in the Tour.

@tobydawq, did you win a fortune on Küng finishing in the top 6?

I only placed 100 DKK, so not that big of a fortune

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Hayman wasn't a real upset, he had multiple top 10 finishes and the race was his favourite. Even Boonen wasn't terribly surprised and was happy for Hayman.

Hayman had also been injured that spring and had barely raced, so while just the name Matthew Hayman being there as a contender was not surprising, him being there in that particular edition at that particular time very much was a surprise. It's not "Ryder Hesjedal: GT winner" or "Oliver Zaugg wins Lombardia" level of shock, but he was not expected to have the form to be able to contest the race that year, let alone win it.

Now, once he had the legs for it I agree it was not so much of a surprise that he could win as he had shown the tactical aptitude for the race. But him making the selection - and that that selection was decisive with people like Sagan missing - was very much a surprise at the time.

 

[fbjim]

Hayman winning is if like Tim Declerq won or something. like obviously they're a "strong rider" but nobody on earth would consider them a race favorite

 

[Didinho]

Not a bad monument season for Mdvp - 1st, 2nd, 1st.

First time with a good preparation. After Sanremo I said here that he could be in for a masterclass, only a super Pogi in his way. A shame he doesn't ride Liege in this form. But with Pogi and Remco it would be difficult.

 

[Leinster]

Alaphillipe should have had like 8 by now

Nah.

If you said Sagan…

 

[Boehmand]

Degenkolb becomes belligerent as MvDP passes him.
Instead of giving in, behind MvDP, Degenkolb gives him a 'wing' to force his place - when just in very same moment Philipsen - totally coincidently and without any fault at all, looking ahead on hard cobble section - moves right in MvDP's and Degenkolb's direction.

I disagree.

Degenkolb was just riding his line, on the soft shoulder, and the movement of his elbow happened after he got hit.

It looked like an act of trying to keep his balance, rather than trying to force MvdP out of his line.

 

[skippo12]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1645075248763502594

View: https://twitter.com/eurosport/status/1645075248763502594


Degenkolb is in position. MVP wants to move in front of him. Philipsen screws up and closes the gap. MVP sways from his line to avoid crashing into Philipsen. Takes out Degenkolb.
The kind of BS people post to defend their favorit rider. It isn´t a DQ but it´s clearly on the Alpecin guys.

And it looks like they know what they did...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1645083205035253762

View: https://twitter.com/eurosport/status/1645083205035253762

 

[Boehmand]

From what I saw, Phillipsen held his position which he is entitled to do. The initial mistake wasn't caused by him.

No, he moved right so the gap MvdP was riding through closed.

 

[movingtarget]

Hayman had also been injured that spring and had barely raced, so while just the name Matthew Hayman being there as a contender was not surprising, him being there in that particular edition at that particular time very much was a surprise.

Yes he came into the race fresh due to his injury which probably helped him.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

This race made me respect Van Aert much more, because he had the legs and the tactics but not the luck. I‘m off the Belgian Pozzato train.

 

[Ricco']

Degenkolb was just riding his line, on the soft shoulder, and the movement of his elbow happened after he got hit.

If you watch the replay closely, Degenkolb sticks out his left elbow when MVDP starts to pass him, even before Philipsen changes lines.

I even think Dege and VDP touched before VDP ran into Philipsen.

 

[Sciatic]

To summarise, some viewers need to cool off. Without the accidental crash, Deg might have won (but it’s a stretch). Without the flat, Wout might have won but MVDP might have won anyway. MVDP won.
So we know very little and we should all be very humble.

That is a good summary, but I don’t know why you’re trying to tell other people how to feel. Disappointment is a genuine emotion, no reason we shouldn’t express it.

 

[movingtarget]

No, he moved right so the gap MvdP was riding through closed.

And Degenkilb was already practically on the grass leaving no room for error.

 

[vwpe]

Van aert wasnt even close to riding Van der poel down MVDP was clearly the strongest by far not to say the least the amount of work he did over anyone in that group for 90km was insane. This 2023 MVDP edition is scary strong!

 

[Ripper]

Van aert wasnt even close to riding Van der poel down MVDP was clearly the strongest by far not to say the least the amount of work he did over anyone in that group for 90km was insane. This 2023 MVDP edition is scary strong!

You're not even good at trolling

 

[HelloDolly]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1645087062821949441

View: https://twitter.com/RoisDeLaPedale/status/1645087062821949441?s=20

 

[Boehmand]

Van aert wasnt even close to riding Van der poel down MVDP was clearly the strongest by far not to say the least the amount of work he did over anyone in that group for 90km was insane. This 2023 MVDP edition is scary strong!

"Clearly" is a bit much.

WvA was right on his wheel during his big dig, until he got a flat tire.

Therte is no way of knowing what had happened without that flat.

 

[movingtarget]

Hayman winning is if like Tim Declerq won or something. like obviously they're a "strong rider" but nobody on earth would consider them a race favorite

Cadel Evans was 34-1 when he won the Tour De France after his two disappointments in 2009 and 2010. Unlikely riders win classics but not that often. Grand Tours are usually won by favourites. I think one day racing is always more of a lottery.

 

[HelloDolly]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1645089027492651008

View: https://twitter.com/TeamDSM/status/1645089027492651008?s=20

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1645075248763502594

View: https://twitter.com/eurosport/status/1645075248763502594


Degenkolb is in position. MVP wants to move in front of him. Philipsen screws up and closes the gap. MVP sways from his line to avoid crashing into Philipsen. Takes out Degenkolb.
The kind of BS people post to defend their favorit rider. It isn´t a DQ but it´s clearly on the Alpecin guys.

And it looks like they know what they did...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1645083205035253762

View: https://twitter.com/eurosport/status/1645083205035253762

Wout was flatting when MVDP was chasing. As soon as he caught, Wout radios to let the team know he had a flat. He attacked with a flat...such sh!t luck.

 

[vwpe]

"Clearly" is a bit much.

WvA was right on his wheel during his big dig, until he got a flat tire.

Therte is no way of knowing what had happened without that flat.

he wasnt even close to bring him down MVDP only increased the gap like what ?

If they were to sprint suspect MVDP would win 8out of 10 times as he does in 1v1 vs Van aert (just as in the WC and flandern and all other times 1v1 ) but the amount of work MVDP did from 90km too was insane while van aert didnt cause of laporte and co in the back ... Just amazing.

This 2023 MVDP edition is clearly on another lvl which the entier classic season have proved so far only other to match him is pogacar obviouly...but i suspect as is the saying from former pros that MVDP gotten stronger after finally finishing his first GT which he only did last year..If he now prioritize road cycling even more during winter its scary to think about how strong he can become. Clearly another lvl from the rest what classic season he had. 1-2-1 ofc you cant argue that when the biggest races is on hes just on another lvl than wout and everyone else. Chappou

 

[Sciatic]

And Degenkilb was already practically on the grass leaving no room for error.

On watching replay it doesn’t seem as one-sided as I thought at first — once he’s feeling squeezed Degenkolb leans to his left as MVDP is getting pushed into him. Which doesn’t work as well as a means of staying upright when they’re bouncing up and down on the cobbles and potholes.

 

[tobydawq]

This race made me respect Van Aert much more, because he had the legs and the tactics but not the luck. I‘m off the Belgian Pozzato train.

How anyone could have been on that train to begin with is beyond me.