• The Cycling News forum is looking to add some volunteer moderators with Red Rick's recent retirement. If you're interested in helping keep our discussions on track, send a direct message to @SHaines here on the forum, or use the Contact Us form to message the Community Team.

    In the meanwhile, please use the Report option if you see a post that doesn't fit within the forum rules.

    Thanks!

Patrick Jonker on LA.......?

Toggle sidebar Toggle sidebar
E

editedbymod

BANNED
Jul 11, 2010
112
0
0
Visit site
Hotbrakes said:
Not a Lance fan but was Jonker left out of the loop?



http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,27539460-23218,00.html
Click to expand...

Oh dear. Is this the best Armstrong can do? The only guy he can get to drum up support is an half aussie hack like Jonker? I mean seriously?? Jonker? What can't he get Big George to come out and defend his honor? P2ss poor if you ask me.

Is this idiot one of the 100's? To support Lance?
 
H

hughmoore

Jun 17, 2009
545
0
9,580
Visit site
editedbymod said:
Oh dear. Is this the best Armstrong can do? The only guy he can get to drum up support is an half aussie hack like Jonker? I mean seriously?? Jonker? What can't he get Big George to come out and defend his honor? P2ss poor if you ask me.

Is this idiot one of the 100's? To support Lance?
Click to expand...

Dont think Jonker was ever a hack, he rode the tour five times and missed the sixed due to injury. How many Tours have you ridden?

So far we have several US Postal riders saying they didnt see any doping.

The only one doping was Landis.


Hugh
 
H

hughmoore

Jun 17, 2009
545
0
9,580
Visit site
Ferminal said:

"If they want to ask were there any performance enhancing drugs taken at US Postal, I'd say, 'I wish there was' because I would have liked to improve my performance," Jonker said.

What is that supposed to mean...
Click to expand...

Its a joke, ever heard of humour, Australians tend to joke a lot.




Hugh
 
Hotbrakes

Hotbrakes

Apr 29, 2009
131
0
0
Visit site
editedbymod said:
Oh dear. Is this the best Armstrong can do? The only guy he can get to drum up support is an half aussie hack like Jonker? I mean seriously?? Jonker? What can't he get Big George to come out and defend his honor? P2ss poor if you ask me.

Is this idiot one of the 100's? To support Lance?
Click to expand...




So far he is the only one. How much money will all this support cost?
 
buckwheat

buckwheat

BANNED
Sep 24, 2009
1,852
0
0
Visit site
The joke in LA's War was that the USPS riders in Girona saw Armstrong more on TV than they did in person. I agree with Brodeal. It would be smart for these guys to keep their mouth's shut. Maybe they need the money though.
 
E

editedbymod

BANNED
Jul 11, 2010
112
0
0
Visit site
hughmoore said:
Don't think Jonker was ever a hack, he rode the tour five times and missed the sixed due to injury. How many Tours have you ridden?

So far we have several US Postal riders saying they didn't see any doping.

The only one doping was Landis.


Hugh
Click to expand...

You know what. You're right and I'm wrong.

Jonker had intimate knowledge of everything that went on at USPS especially at the Tour de France. Jonker is the lynch pin in the Federal Investigation. He's one year at Postal where he barely put foot on pedal could make or break the case.

---

Going on the strength of his previous palmares, Jonker was recruited by U.S. Postal for the 2000 season. Unfortunately, he developed a chronic tendonitis problem in his ankle during this time and was relatively unsuccessful due to this malady, with a 13th place in the Amstel Gold Race being his only notable result that year. Significantly, this was also Patrick’s final season on a Division I team.
 
Berzin

Berzin

Aug 6, 2009
2,111
7
11,495
berzin.blogspot.com
hughmoore said:
Dont think Jonker was ever a hack, he rode the tour five times and missed the sixed due to injury. How many Tours have you ridden?
Click to expand...

The same number as you.


hughmoore said:
So far we have several US Postal riders saying they didn't see any doping.

The only one doping was Landis.
Click to expand...

Jonker didn't ride with the Tour team when he was at Postal. So he couldn't have seen anything if he wasn't one of the riders preparing for or riding the Tour.

My guess is this doesn't matter to you. I don't really know why I even posted this.

I guess it's because I couldn't stomach having a fanboy with his revisionist history try to remake the past.
 
hrotha

hrotha

Jun 10, 2010
19,704
1,692
25,680
Visit site
Berzin said:
Jonker didn't ride with the Tour team when he was at Postal. So he couldn't have seen anything if he wasn't one of the riders preparing for or riding the Tour.
Click to expand...
You know, that makes me think about something. Did they only dope* for the TdF? I always sort of assumed they might actually dope less for the Tour than during the rest of the year, because not all races can afford the same controls as the Tour. Dope all year round, get the benefits in your training and win other races without getting caught, then ride the Tour cleanish with just recovery drugs and rest day refills.

*I mean get doped to the gills here.
 
N

NashbarShorts

Jul 29, 2010
431
0
0
Visit site
hughmoore said:
So far we have several US Postal riders saying they didnt see any doping.

The only one doping was Landis.


Hugh
Click to expand...

Yes, and likewise while JV may have freely and honestly discussed doping w/ Andreu in a private IM, he later signed an affadavit (at the request (ahem) of LA's lawyers): "I didn't see anything".

Bwah hah ha
 
E

editedbymod

BANNED
Jul 11, 2010
112
0
0
Visit site
I think the key here is that Jonker never rode the Tour de France with Armstrong and in the 1 year he spent on Postal he spent most of the year injured. I mean really what can he offer in terms of real evidence?
 
N

NashbarShorts

Jul 29, 2010
431
0
0
Visit site
hrotha said:
You know, that makes me think about something. Did they only dope* for the TdF?
Click to expand...

Kind of doubt that. This is 2000 we are talking about. Don't think EPO was even detectable yet. So wasn't even moving into micro-dosing. This was "50%" territory, right?

Also, wasn't LA well-known for picking several select spring races, in which he would emerge from "training", then ride the race only to gauge his "fitness"? Amstel Gold, etc. Then go off the radar again and "train" in the Canary Islands, etc. This always smacked me as questionable, to say the least. I remember one Amstel race, he got to the finish w/ the lead group and then didn't even contest the sprint. As if to say, "yep, the juice seems to be working!"
 
F

Ferminal

Jul 3, 2009
18,948
5
22,485
Visit site
hrotha said:
You know, that makes me think about something. Did they only dope* for the TdF? I always sort of assumed they might actually dope less for the Tour than during the rest of the year, because not all races can afford the same controls as the Tour. Dope all year round, get the benefits in your training and win other races without getting caught, then ride the Tour cleanish with just recovery drugs and rest day refills.

*I mean get doped to the gills here.
Click to expand...

It's hard to judge whether or not the "outsiders" were on the program.

Floyd says he was first introduced to doping during the Dauphine (or TdS?) which was probably the time the Hog decided he was going to be part of the TdF squad and could bring him in as a member of the "A" team.

So there's no guarantee the non-A teamers were part of the systematic doping regime.
 
MacRoadie

MacRoadie

Aug 3, 2009
3,217
1
13,485
Visit site
Ok, maybe it's just me but the title of the article reads:

"Australian cyclist Jonker takes lie detector test, vouches for Armstrong"
Click to expand...

but the body of the article makes no mention of any such test being taken. The closest it comes is:

A former teammate of Armstrong, Jonker said he was willing to face a lie detector to clear the seven-times Tour de France champion's name
Click to expand...

Am I missing something?
 
R

Realist

Jul 13, 2010
185
0
0
Visit site
editedbymod said:
Oh dear. Is this the best Armstrong can do? The only guy he can get to drum up support is an half aussie hack like Jonker? I mean seriously?? Jonker? What can't he get Big George to come out and defend his honor? P2ss poor if you ask me.

Is this idiot one of the 100's? To support Lance?
Click to expand...

It may be that this is a misstep by Jonker (I would say so...) but calling a guy who went top 20 at the tour one year a hack is a bit rich. Sure, he got in a good break that hear... but the man could ride. There's no reason to question his ability on the bike and rip on him just because he is probably speaking out of turn here.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

TRENDING THREADS

Latest posts

Moderators online

Share this page

COMPANY
RESOURCES
FOLLOW
Top Bottom