Paul Kimmage questioning Roman ?

[cocteau_ireland]

The whole sorry tale has left kimmage ferociously unhinged. Only last week he went for the throat of an irish cycling website,sticky bottle. Our very own cycling jesus.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Might seem bitter to fans of omerta. To those who want clean cycling he is asking a rider to use all the tools available to help clean up the sport.

So Roche should speak out against his teammates yea seems like a good idea to call Roman a doper who should be banned. Why not call out Bjarne and Alberto as well. Will certainly be appreciated by the team.

 

[Netserk]

Kimmage is not asking Roche to call Kreuziger a doper.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

it just seems weird he asked Roche first while he should ask Roman. It's embarrassing.

Why does it seem weird, explain that if you can?

Roche has on a few occasions made clean cycling statements, he has even been interviewed by Kimmage. Why not ask Roche to reconcile the apparent contradiction?

 

[martinvickers]

Kimmage is not asking Roche to call Kreuziger a doper.

That's a distinction without a difference.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Kimmage is not asking Roche to call Kreuziger a doper.

well it's what benotti is suggesting.

And to me it seems like Kimmage is accusing Roman of doping so asking Roche to ask Roman about it seems like he wants to get Roche involved in accusing Roman of doping

 

[LaFlorecita]

Why does it seem weird, explain that if you can?

Roche has on a few occasions made clean cycling statements, he has even been interviewed by Kimmage. Why not ask Roche to reconcile the apparent contradiction?

Well because maybe, just maybe, it's Kreuziger who has the dodgy past. Maybe it's Kreuziger who seems to be a doper. Maybe it's Kreuziger who just won a race. Maybe it makes sense to ask Kreuziger about his past instead of a teammate.

 

[martinvickers]

I agree, to not be an antagonist in the whole debate is to maintain the status quo. The authorities have continually been proven to be imcapable of preventing doping.

So now if it takes a few insults to change the system so be it.

F**k dopers, they are cheating scum.

Which side of the fence r u on? Up the revolution - clean cycling now.

I'm sick of the sport being dragged thro the mud.

Can any defenders of the sport at the moment guarantee me 100% the sport is now clean?

Nobody will EVER be able to guarantee that. It's a logical impossiblity. It's frankly a infantile demand.

If you are waiting for a 100% guarantee of cleanlness, you may as well leave sport behind, it ain't possible.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Why does it seem weird, explain that if you can?

Roche has on a few occasions made clean cycling statements, he has even been interviewed by Kimmage. Why not ask Roche to reconcile the apparent contradiction?

He doesn't ask Roche about the apparent contradiction, he asks him to ask Roman about his connections with Ferrari.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

So Roche should speak out against his teammates yea seems like a good idea to call Roman a doper who should be banned. Why not call out Bjarne and Alberto as well. Will certainly be appreciated by the team.

Why did he have to say anything at all?

 

[martinvickers]

Why did he have to say anything at all?

he didn't have to. he chose to congratulate a colleague. why not?

Just like Paul didn't have to. He chose to. For rather less laudable reasons.

If Kimmage wants answers to questions from K, he should ask K himself. He's a journo, is he not? He knows how to ask questions.

OR maybe, just maybe, the point wasn't the asking K, but the picking on Nic.

 

[melkemugg]

Might seem bitter to fans of omerta. To those who want clean cycling he is asking a rider to use all the tools available to help clean up the sport.

I would think he would get better results if he uses the best tools available not necessarily all of them.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Why did he have to say anything at all?

He didn't have to. But he did. It's normal, teammates congratulate each other all the time. Some people are getting their knickers in a twist over something so trivial. SMH.

 

[Le Baroudeur]

None of them claim to be clean, or at least want the audience to believe they are clean.

Yep, Hannah's Paleo musli bread and beetroot salad are definitely loaded... I guess now we know how Noma won 'best Restaurant in the world' so many times...

As for PK, he has had over five months to ask Roman the question directly. His timing is nothing if not classless and tacky, smacking of opportunistic self-aggrandising vindictiveness against more than one individual. It's nothing new though, he has often acted like a surgeon trying to operate with a blunderbuss, and irrespective of whether or not his questions are valid, he lacks the finesse to do little but completely alienate himself in the minds of those he is trying to convince. Timming is everything, and this stunk of 'I'm still relevant' PR, but no doubt he will call it Omerta if those effected no longer feel inclined to converse with him.

 

[gooner]

Hitch called it. Nico has a column with widely read Irish Independent. PK tells Roche-ask Roman about this, it would make a good column. Alluding to the fact that Nico steers clear of all clinic references in said column.

He did during the Lance affair.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/oth...e-else-its-your-choice-admit-it-28892741.html

But he's primarily signed on to discuss his own racing experiences like he did recently in Catalonia.

But PK is a bit out of line expecting one team mate to publicly query the validity of anothers race performance or past history. Or to question why he congratulated him. They are work colleagues ffs, no matter his private thoughts on the matter they have to work together, and for each other, pretty much all year round. Roche I am sure has no wish to be hated or isolated amongst his new team mates. No one in their right mind would do that, you could even end up on the deck with some guys I knew.

Well said. I couldn't agree more.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

he didn't have to. he chose to congratulate a college. why not?

Just like Paul didn't have to. He chose to. For rather less laudable reasons.

If Kimmage wants answers to questions from K, he should ask K himself. He's a journo, is he not? He knows how to ask questions.

OR maybe, just maybe, the point wasn't the asking K, but the picking on Nic.

Correct. Nico didn't have to.
And you ask a good question, "why not?", the obvious answer is that it may not be a laudable win.
Which begs the question (which Kimmage alludes to) is why Roche who is for clean cycling is congratulating a Ferrari client?

He didn't have to. But he did. It's normal, teammates congratulate each other all the time. Some people are getting their knickers in a twist over something so trivial. SMH.

I don't wear knickers.
Does it hurt?

 

[gooner]

As for PK, he has had over five months to ask Roman the question directly.

He could of done so after Kreuziger's stage win during the Giro last year if he wanted to but you see Roche wasn't a teammate then.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Yep, Hannah's Paleo musli bread and beetroot salad are definitely loaded... I guess now we know how Noma won 'best Restaurant in the world' so many times...

As for PK, he has had over five months to ask Roman the question directly. His timing is nothing if not classless and tacky, smacking of opportunistic self-aggrandising vindictiveness against more than one individual. It's nothing new though, he has often acted like a surgeon trying to operate with a blunderbuss, and irrespective of whether or not his questions are valid, he lacks the finesse to do little but completely alienate himself in the minds of those he is trying to convince. Timming is everything, and this stunk of 'I'm still relevant' PR, but no doubt he will call it Omerta if those effected no longer feel inclined to converse with him.

It is not about Kreuziger, why would he need to ask him anything? He was a Ferrari client.

He asked a Roche because Roche tweeted his congrats to a Ferrari client, that seems an odd thing to do for a guy who has been on various Irish media talking about clean cycling.

You say timing is everything - it is because he didn't say anything until after Roche tweeted, the question to Roche is why.

 

[skippy]

FOR THOSE who are in the dark about wHAT IS GOING ON ?

Here are the Tweets :

Team Saxo-Tinkoff ‏@TeamSaxoTinkoff 14 Apr
ROMAN KREUZIGER WINS AMSTEL GOLD RACE 2013!!
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Nicholas Roche ‏@nicholasroche 14 Apr
@Roman86_K @TeamSaxoTinkoff great day!!! Fantastic win!!!
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Nicholas Roche ‏@nicholasroche 13 Apr
2h20 of reco of #AmstelGoldRace with @TeamSaxoTinkoff .. Amazed by the set up at finish area! Like at wolds!
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Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage 14 Apr
@flammecast Really Derek? I'm not going to sleep tonight.
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Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage 14 Apr
Hey @Roman86_K Very impressive today but reserving the right to applaud until you clarify this http://www.podiumcafe.com/2012/10/12/3493598/bertagnolli-speaks-in-english …
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CFA ‏@cyclingfansanon 14 Apr
"many of my colleagues from Liquigas went to Ferrari...Pellizzotti, Kreuziger, Gasparotto, Chicchi." http://www.podiumcafe.com/2012/10/12/3493598/bertagnolli-speaks-in-english …
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Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage 14 Apr
Hey @nicholasroche would you mind asking Roman about this please? It would make a good column.
http://www.podiumcafe.com/2012/10/12/3493598/bertagnolli-speaks-in-english …
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Nicholas Roche ‏@nicholasroche 14 Apr
@Roman86_K @TeamSaxoTinkoff great day!!! Fantastic win!!!
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Why there is so much toing & froing , amazes me !


Sad to see what is happening in Boston !

Regretable that 2 have died from Injuries sustained !

London Marathon Authorities and those organising the Maggie Event on Wednesday will be having " Kittens "!

 

[Benotti69]

well it's what benotti is suggesting.

wrong

10char.............

 

[Benotti69]

So Roche should speak out against his teammates yea seems like a good idea to call Roman a doper who should be banned. Why not call out Bjarne and Alberto as well. Will certainly be appreciated by the team.

Nope wrong again. He asked Nico Roche to ask Kreusiger about an article saying he was a client of Ferarri along with others from Liquigas.

I think Kreuziger should be explaining himself.

No need to call out Riis and Alberto, one admitted the other got caught.

 

[martinvickers]

It is not about Kreuziger, why would he need to ask him anything? He was a Ferrari client.

He asked a Roche because Roche tweeted his congrats to a Ferrari client, that seems an odd thing to do for a guy who has been on various Irish media talking about clean cycling.

You say timing is everything - it is because he didn't say anything until after Roche tweeted, the question to Roche is why.

Why? Sorry, I'm confused.

Why would s/o tweet congratulations to a teammate who has just won a race?

Is that highly abnormal or something?

Again, the question is not why? it's why not?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Why? Sorry, I'm confused.

Why would s/o tweet congratulations to a teammate who has just won a race?

Is that highly abnormal or something?

Again, the question is not why? it's why not?

It might be a typo, but can you explain what the blue is?

Not abnormal no, but a strange thing for a clean rider to do.

The question remains why he would do it, not why not.
But to answer it, if you are clean and just beaten by someone you felt cheated you, would you be sending congrats.

 

[martinvickers]

Correct. Nico didn't have to.
And you ask a good question, "why not?", the obvious answer is that it may not be a laudable win.

And how is Nico supposed to know whether it's laudable or not? As I understand his job description is cyclist. Not Kimmage-Saxo liason, not police investigator, not WADAtester, not EPO archivist, not chaplin or father confessor.

Cyclist.

Maybe Nico is not entirely up to speed with the details of every accusation in the peleton, maybe. Maybe he thinks K's clean, or clean now. He may well be wrong, who knows, but he could still well think it.

After all, if Paul can take drugs, and then become, well, Paul Kimmage, presumably K can be born anew too.

I still don't write understand though why nico is supposed to hold off congratulating a team mate because Paul Kimmage has doubts, doubts unexpressed, i might add until after Nico tweeted. Is Nico now expected to demonstrate clairevoyance?

Should he phone Paul the night before a race for clearance on who's 'laudable'? Could Paul send him a pdf of the riders' doping palmeres? Would it be safer simply to tweet 'Kimmage approved' statements?

No. Nonsense.

Paul took a swing at his enemy's son. Simple as. It was petty, vindictive, it reflects badly on him, and frankly far, far worse, the childishness of the whole thing distracts from actually ACHIEVING something. It just reinforces the stupid bloody Irish family feud storyline, and it lets the real baddies in this country, McQuaid, roche Sr, hide. "that Kimmage, it's just a personal vendetta, etc, etc..."

Paul has earned the right to make a few errors. He suffered enough, and fought hard enough. But this was an error, and it belittles him. He ought to be better than this; but it is in danger of becoming a pattern. Someone who cares about him and who he trusts should, in all seriousness, tell him to knock it off, and start being constructive again.

More and more, I fear I'm relying on David Walsh to do the real work, and we know how his stock has dropped here. I get no pleasure watching someone like Paul start to become a freakshow. None at all.

 

[Benotti69]

I get no pleasure watching someone like Paul start to become a freakshow. None at all.

Freakshow', a tweet, dont blow it out of proportion FFS!