Paul Kimmage

[Benotti69]

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And Ireland? Be honest, do you really want to know?

Looks like Kimmage doesn't want to know.

He mentions England, Scotland, France and Argentina but not Ireland. Since he is pointing the finger at others where is his follow up work investigating Ireland? Where are his calls for transparency from Ireland? Why isn't he continually asking questions of Ireland?

Its pretty lame.

Not lame for those with some wit and intelligence.

Last line is so powerful. After laying it all out the other nations he asks the big question how can Ireland beat these dopers.

But some like to take pot shots at Kimmage cos he dared to question their heroes performances.....

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

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And Ireland? Be honest, do you really want to know?

Looks like Kimmage doesn't want to know.

He mentions England, Scotland, France and Argentina but not Ireland. Since he is pointing the finger at others where is his follow up work investigating Ireland? Where are his calls for transparency from Ireland? Why isn't he continually asking questions of Ireland?

Its pretty lame.

Not lame for those with some wit and intelligence.

Last line is so powerful. After laying it all out the other nations he asks the big question how can Ireland beat these dopers.

But some like to take pot shots at Kimmage cos he dared to question their heroes performances.....

This labelling of anybody who disagrees with you as a Skybot is getting rather tiresome now. Maybe you should try to improve your debating skills because it seems to be the only argument you have. Kimmage has consistently taken the view that other nations are full of dopers whilst taking an agnostic view on the possibility of doping in Irish sport. Exactly the same approach which you (rightly) lambast many Brits for taking.

 

[gooner]

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And Ireland? Be honest, do you really want to know?

http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/other-rugby/paul-kimmage-dangerous-obsession-with-size-creates-bigger-need-for-answers-30785080.html

That's one of the good articles I said he wrote at the end of last year.

No real issue with it.

 

[noddy69]

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And Ireland? Be honest, do you really want to know?

Looks like Kimmage doesn't want to know.

He mentions England, Scotland, France and Argentina but not Ireland. Since he is pointing the finger at others where is his follow up work investigating Ireland? Where are his calls for transparency from Ireland? Why isn't he continually asking questions of Ireland?

Its pretty lame.

I think you didnt read the same article I did..he finishes with the following:And Ireland? Be honest, do you really want to know? Anyone who knows rugby in Ireland knows he is getting at our guys too and he was called up over this so before finger pointing and trying to discredit someone actually trying to publicise the fact there are drugs in top level sport, try and actually read what you are criticising

And Ireland? Be honest, do you really want to know?.....

 

[gooner]

Re: Paul Kimmage - Hero

Yeah, I remember he had a go at Tom McGuirk who said Irish players didn't dope. At the same time, he said he didn't know himself if Irish players doped.

Which is the point someone else up made up thread, when anyone takes that exact position with a rider in here or with Sky, they get lambasted for it.

 

[noddy69]

Re: Paul Kimmage - Hero

Yeah, I remember he had a go at Tom McGuirk who said Irish players didn't dope. At the same time, he said he didn't know himself if Irish players doped.

Which is the point someone else up made up thread, when anyone takes that exact position with a rider in here or with Sky, they get lambasted for it.

I remember it: but thats slightly out of context as he insinuated some must dope he just didn't have proof when asked outright. His position was fairly clear.

 

[gooner]

Re: Paul Kimmage - Hero

Yeah, I remember he had a go at Tom McGuirk who said Irish players didn't dope. At the same time, he said he didn't know himself if Irish players doped.

Which is the point someone else up made up thread, when anyone takes that exact position with a rider in here or with Sky, they get lambasted for it.

I remember it: but thats slightly out of context as he insinuated some must dope he just didn't have proof when asked outright. His position was fairly clear.

On Brendan O'Connor's show he clearly said he didn't know.

Earlier in the interview host Brendan O’Connor asked Kimmage what he was claiming with regards to Irish rugby.

“I’ve made no accusation at all,” Kimmage said.

“All I’ve done is bring the Irish public a view from inside the game.

“Anyone who is making a living from the game or is playing the game, they don’t want to know (regarding the issue of medicalisation),” he said later in the interview.

“But if you talk to parents or people outside the game, they aren’t blind. They know what is going on and they are thinking ‘do I want my son doing this?’.”

Kimmage was also asked whether he thought any current players were using performance enhancing drugs and the journalist said he intends to investigate the issue like he famously did with Lance Armstrong during the the last 15 years.

“I don’t know (whether current players are doping),” Kimmage said.

“I’ve started looking at it now and I am going to conduct more interviews and try to find out the answer to that question.”

http://www.the42.ie/paul-kimmage-rugby-1914276-Feb2015/

 

[noddy69]

Re: Paul Kimmage - Hero

Yeah, I remember he had a go at Tom McGuirk who said Irish players didn't dope. At the same time, he said he didn't know himself if Irish players doped.

Which is the point someone else up made up thread, when anyone takes that exact position with a rider in here or with Sky, they get lambasted for it.

I remember it: but thats slightly out of context as he insinuated some must dope he just didn't have proof when asked outright. His position was fairly clear.

On Brendan O'Connor's show he clearly said he didn't know.

Earlier in the interview host Brendan O’Connor asked Kimmage what he was claiming with regards to Irish rugby.

“I’ve made no accusation at all,” Kimmage said.

“All I’ve done is bring the Irish public a view from inside the game.

“Anyone who is making a living from the game or is playing the game, they don’t want to know (regarding the issue of medicalisation),” he said later in the interview.

“But if you talk to parents or people outside the game, they aren’t blind. They know what is going on and they are thinking ‘do I want my son doing this?’.”

Kimmage was also asked whether he thought any current players were using performance enhancing drugs and the journalist said he intends to investigate the issue like he famously did with Lance Armstrong during the the last 15 years.

“I don’t know (whether current players are doping),” Kimmage said.

“I’ve started looking at it now and I am going to conduct more interviews and try to find out the answer to that question.”

http://www.the42.ie/paul-kimmage-rugby-1914276-Feb2015/

I fail to understand your point as back to what I said the tone of the interview and the insinuations are that rugby has a problem-of course he doesnt know if anyone is actually taking drugs and on a national radio show you cant call out something you have no proof of...with Armstrong there was proof: He was on the show as he believed people were doping---its clear he believes Irish rugby has an issue or he woudlnt have gone on the show, this wasnt a case of foreigners are at it we are not...this was clearly rugby has a problem and in Ireland

 

[wendybnt]

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And Ireland? Be honest, do you really want to know?

Looks like Kimmage doesn't want to know.

He mentions England, Scotland, France and Argentina but not Ireland. Since he is pointing the finger at others where is his follow up work investigating Ireland? Where are his calls for transparency from Ireland? Why isn't he continually asking questions of Ireland?

Its pretty lame.

Not lame for those with some wit and intelligence.

Last line is so powerful. After laying it all out the other nations he asks the big question how can Ireland beat these dopers.

But some like to take pot shots at Kimmage cos he dared to question their heroes performances.....

Bad luck, Benotti. Not an England fan. Nor France, nor Argentina funnily enough.

The last line can be as powerful as it wants but without any kind of consistent follow up its pointless.

Plus he's back to being a Team Ireland fanboy.

 

[noddy69]

Re: Re:

And Ireland? Be honest, do you really want to know?

Looks like Kimmage doesn't want to know.

He mentions England, Scotland, France and Argentina but not Ireland. Since he is pointing the finger at others where is his follow up work investigating Ireland? Where are his calls for transparency from Ireland? Why isn't he continually asking questions of Ireland?

Its pretty lame.

Not lame for those with some wit and intelligence.

Last line is so powerful. After laying it all out the other nations he asks the big question how can Ireland beat these dopers.

But some like to take pot shots at Kimmage cos he dared to question their heroes performances.....

Bad luck, Benotti. Not an England fan. Nor France, nor Argentina funnily enough.

The last line can be as powerful as it wants but without any kind of consistent follow up its pointless.

Plus he's back to being a Team Ireland fanboy.

The follow up like what other journalist ? what exactly do you expect, he called it out as much as he could so I dont get the point of trying to discredit a person for that. You're trying to label him as something of a fanboy nationalist my country people dont do that when that's so far from the truth its ridicoulous...the problem is people believe the truth and the rubbish.
He called out the issue and its clear he expects the problem is in Irish rugby as much as other nations,

Its a shame people will believe the trolling

 

[wendybnt]

I expect him to be consistent. I expect him to carry on probing, asking for information, asking for an internship.

Otherwise all his noise about Sky just starts to look like he's butthurt because they wouldn't have him on the Tour.

He's called them out and now he's cheering them on. That's fanboyism. You can't have it both ways. You can't be all or nothing over one team's doping (Sky) and then totally moralally relativistic over another team's ( Ireland).

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

And Ireland? Be honest, do you really want to know?

Looks like Kimmage doesn't want to know.

He mentions England, Scotland, France and Argentina but not Ireland. Since he is pointing the finger at others where is his follow up work investigating Ireland? Where are his calls for transparency from Ireland? Why isn't he continually asking questions of Ireland?

Its pretty lame.

Not lame for those with some wit and intelligence.

Last line is so powerful. After laying it all out the other nations he asks the big question how can Ireland beat these dopers.

But some like to take pot shots at Kimmage cos he dared to question their heroes performances.....

Bad luck, Benotti. Not an England fan. Nor France, nor Argentina funnily enough.

The last line can be as powerful as it wants but without any kind of consistent follow up its pointless.

Plus he's back to being a Team Ireland fanboy.

Never said you were a fan of any of those countries. But keep on trying to bait and troll.

AS everyone well knows newspapers need solid proof before going to print. Kimmage does well to highlight it.

Kimmage was always a supporter of Ireland at any sport. One can support ones country at sport but not their doping.

He likes Irelands most talent olympic swimmer Gary O'Toole, but was not afraid to call out Michelle Smith.

You are firing blanks.

 

[wendybnt]

Troll and bait?

You don't have to agree with me, but you don't have to insult me either.

 

[Benotti69]

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Troll and bait?

You don't have to agree with me, but you don't have to insult me either.

Not insulting, just calling the obvious.

Try to criticise Kimmage when their are thousands of hacks to be slammed only points to one thing.

 

[pmcg76]

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[quote="http: And Ireland? Be honest, do you really want to know?[/quote

Looks like Kimmage doesn't want to know.

He mentions England, Scotland, France and Argentina but not Ireland. Since he is pointing the finger at others where is his follow up work investigating Ireland? Where are his calls for transparency from Ireland? Why isn't he continually asking questions of Ireland?

Its pretty lame.

Not lame for those with some wit and intelligence.

Last line is so powerful. After laying it all out the other nations he asks the big question how can Ireland beat these dopers.

But some like to take pot shots at Kimmage cos he dared to question their heroes performances.....

Bad luck, Benotti. Not an England fan. Nor France, nor Argentina funnily enough.

The last line can be as powerful as it wants but without any kind of consistent follow up its pointless.

Plus he's back to being a Team Ireland fanboy.[/quote]

Never said you were a fan of any of those countries. But keep on trying to bait and troll.

AS everyone well knows newspapers need solid proof before going to print. Kimmage does well to highlight it.

Kimmage was always a supporter of Ireland at any sport. One can support ones country at sport but not their doping.

He likes Irelands most talent olympic swimmer Gary O'Toole, but was not afraid to call out Michelle Smith.

You are firing blanks.[/quote]

That makes zero sense if someone is supposed to be anti-doping. Why call out Michelle Smith, who is after all Irish but then cheer on the Irish rugby team based on nationalism even if he thinks they are involved in doping. That is double standards of the most ludicrousto type.

 

[wendybnt]

Quite.

Benotti is resorting to insult rather than debating nicely. You are going where you belong, Benotti. Straight into ignore list.

 

[gooner]

Re: Paul Kimmage - Hero

Yeah, I remember he had a go at Tom McGuirk who said Irish players didn't dope. At the same time, he said he didn't know himself if Irish players doped.

Which is the point someone else up made up thread, when anyone takes that exact position with a rider in here or with Sky, they get lambasted for it.

I remember it: but thats slightly out of context as he insinuated some must dope he just didn't have proof when asked outright. His position was fairly clear.

On Brendan O'Connor's show he clearly said he didn't know.

Earlier in the interview host Brendan O’Connor asked Kimmage what he was claiming with regards to Irish rugby.

“I’ve made no accusation at all,” Kimmage said.

“All I’ve done is bring the Irish public a view from inside the game.

“Anyone who is making a living from the game or is playing the game, they don’t want to know (regarding the issue of medicalisation),” he said later in the interview.

“But if you talk to parents or people outside the game, they aren’t blind. They know what is going on and they are thinking ‘do I want my son doing this?’.”

Kimmage was also asked whether he thought any current players were using performance enhancing drugs and the journalist said he intends to investigate the issue like he famously did with Lance Armstrong during the the last 15 years.

“I don’t know (whether current players are doping),” Kimmage said.

“I’ve started looking at it now and I am going to conduct more interviews and try to find out the answer to that question.”

http://www.the42.ie/paul-kimmage-rugby-1914276-Feb2015/

I fail to understand your point as back to what I said the tone of the interview and the insinuations are that rugby has a problem-of course he doesnt know if anyone is actually taking drugs and on a national radio show you cant call out something you have no proof of...with Armstrong there was proof: He was on the show as he believed people were doping---its clear he believes Irish rugby has an issue or he woudlnt have gone on the show, this wasnt a case of foreigners are at it we are not...this was clearly rugby has a problem and in Ireland

His whole column was based on the premise of highlighting other countries' issues and rightly posing the question of this in this country. Not to accuse or believe Irish rugby players doped due to some knowledge he had. That article referenced many things that were known, Contepomi, Dearlove, Benezech, French Senate hearing, Paul Kelso's report. There was nothing really there of his own digging.

As for Kimmage saying nobody wants to know about the medical obsession in the sport, to be fair to McGuirk and Hook, they were on the same show last year saying the hated the supplement culture. They went as far as saying they wouldn't want their children or grandchildren going into the sport due to the overemphasis on size and the medical side of the game. This has been well-known before Kimmage started reporting on this.

Doping is everywhere in all sports, I find it no biggie when someone says doping might be happening and yet at the same time they have no knowledge on their part. Then when someone gets popped, have this clairvoyant attitude afterwards.

From a journalist point of view, I'm not interested in so much what they think, I'm interested in what they know.

Edit: Agree with the above, if he truly believes that Irish players are doping, he's a huge hypocrite considering his fanboy support for them

 

[gooner]

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Troll and bait?

You don't have to agree with me, but you don't have to insult me either.

Not insulting, just calling the obvious.

Try to criticise Kimmage when their are thousands of hacks to be slammed only points to one thing.

There's also plenty of sports hacks out there who deserve just as much if not more attention than Kimmage but don't get the publicity they warrant because they don't have have this bravado image that him and Walsh have and who both now love to become the story.

Who here remembers the names of the Sunday Times journalists with athletics?

That was actually the brave investigative work which made a difference and totally the opposite to what we saw in the summer with the Tour.

 

[The Hitch]

Re: Paul Kimmage - Hero

Yeah, I remember he had a go at Tom McGuirk who said Irish players didn't dope. At the same time, he said he didn't know himself if Irish players doped.

Which is the point someone else up made up thread, when anyone takes that exact position with a rider in here or with Sky, they get lambasted for it.

Who here has been lambasted for saying they don't know if sky dope? Any examples?

I've seen people like you try to ply both sides and act like it's clever by spending 3000 posts attacking any tiny perceived weakness in posts critics make (while of course mysteriously disappearing from threads like the bilharzia one where it's clear cut) and then claim "oh we are being neutral".

Not quite the same thing.

In any case, like noddy I don't quite get your point. You say kimmage said one thing but the clinic another. Eh. Kimmage isn't the clinic. He doesn't even post in the clinic, so I don't see hypocrisy at all since it's 2 different entities.

If kimmage read the clinic, froome and Cound would have emerged from that "interview" last year a shell of themselves.

 

[del1962]

Seppelt

 

[chuckmicD]

As a gentle reminder, we are all posting in the clinic--one big character bash. It really shouldn't come as a surprise when someone does it to you.

 

[Benotti69]

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Quite.

Benotti is resorting to insult rather than debating nicely. You are going where you belong, Benotti. Straight into ignore list.

Show the insult.

 

[Benotti69]

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That makes zero sense if someone is supposed to be anti-doping. Why call out Michelle Smith, who is after all Irish but then cheer on the Irish rugby team based on nationalism even if he thinks they are involved in doping. That is double standards of the most ludicrousto type.

In case you cannot read, the last line is directed at Irish Rugby.

That is hardly cheering them on now is it?

But Irish Rugby will not have anything to do with Kimmage. Plenty of the players on twitter have blocked him.

Again no one is perfect, bar those who criticise Kimmage, of course. I dont remember Kimmage calling himself perfect.

But again people want to shoot one of the few guys who has done something rather go after the brown nosers. Tells us a lot.

 

[Benotti69]

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Troll and bait?

You don't have to agree with me, but you don't have to insult me either.

Not insulting, just calling the obvious.

Try to criticise Kimmage when their are thousands of hacks to be slammed only points to one thing.

There's also plenty of sports hacks out there who deserve just as much if not more attention than Kimmage but don't get the publicity they warrant because they don't have have this bravado image that him and Walsh have and who both now love to become the story.

Who here remembers the names of the Sunday Times journalists with athletics?

That was actually the brave investigative work which made a difference and totally the opposite to what we saw in the summer with the Tour.

I have yet to see any change in athletics. Apart from the Russians getting a hammering in the British Media.

The sports hacks, that you have not mentioned, are not being invited onto radio or tv to talk about their respective sports. Why is that? I dont think Kimmage is a media whore, because if he was he would be on twitter all day whoring himself.

Look at Walsh red carpeting it........

 

[pmcg76]

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That makes zero sense if someone is supposed to be anti-doping. Why call out Michelle Smith, who is after all Irish but then cheer on the Irish rugby team based on nationalism even if he thinks they are involved in doping. That is double standards of the most ludicrousto type.

In case you cannot read, the last line is directed at Irish Rugby.

That is hardly cheering them on now is it?

But Irish Rugby will not have anything to do with Kimmage. Plenty of the players on twitter have blocked him.

Again no one is perfect, bar those who criticise Kimmage, of course. I dont remember Kimmage calling himself perfect.

But again people want to shoot one of the few guys who has done something rather go after the brown nosers. Tells us a lot.

That is what makes zero sense, one minute he is tweeting his support for the Irish rugby team, another time hs putting question marks around Irish rugby. How can you cheerlead for a team of which you have serious doubts. We can do that here as we are anon nobodies mostly, who have little impact in the real world. Kimmage on the other hand is a public figure who is mostly famous for his anit-doping rants. Kimmage either sees himself as anti-doping or he loses credibility, simples. Did he cheerlead for Michelle Smith?

This is like Steve Tilford, yet another piece on Ryder recently, but as the comments section points out, why did he do another recent post praising Eddy B and continues to ignore anything to do with BMC. When you choose to target certain people/teams whilst blatantly ignoring others, that is not objectivity, that is called a personal agenda. Expect people to call BS on it.

It has nothing to do with defending certain peope but wishing to see objectivity across the board.