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gooner said:
Benotti69 said:
Did i claim Kimmage is perfect? Obviously you are and the sport of cycling (nevermind football) is luck to have such a fan.......
Imagine the reaction if Walsh wrote this:
“I’ve spent a good portion of my past 20 years enraged by dopers such as Virenque, Riis, Ivan Basso and Hamilton and seized every opportunity to expose them. No apologies. They deserve our contempt . . . but not as much as the guys who are trying to compete clean deserve our support. I’d lost sight of that. To David Millar, Christian Vande Velde, Ryder Hesjedal, Will Frischkorn, Danny Pate, Julian Dean, Martijn Maaskant, Trent Lowe and Magnus Backstedt, thanks for the reminder."
Walsh also has said Garmin is clean. In fact the reason he believed Sky to begin with was because JV told him Wiggins was clean at Garmin and JV's word is god's word.
And guess, what, no one attacked him for it.
So to answer the question -there would be no reaction.
Or rather -there
was no reaction.
This idea that the clinic attacks Walsh because he said an athlete was clean is really pathetic.
If in any doubt just go read through some of the Walsh threads. And remember that most of us were perfectly willing to give Walsh the benefit of the doubt, and even defend him, for quite a while after he sided with Sky. Until he said that anyone who doubts froome is a bitter jealous Armstrong fan. And since then its been a series of flip flops, easily disprovable lies and comical fanboying. Pretty much everyone, including most sky fans and neutrals that I know, are by now well aware of the role Walsh serves these days, as Sky's groupie. I've seen people that wouldn't dare suggest sky dope laugh at pictures of Walsh wearing Sky team colours, following Brailsford around like a dog etc.
You alone, Walsh fanclub founding member and loyal to the end, are the only one maintaining this delusion that Walsh is behaving perfectly normally and you go to increasingly desperate depths to try and invent *** to back this up or bring down others in the hope that this will elevate Walsh.
Save yourself some time don't delude yourself into thinking that posting some quotes from Kimmage is going to excuse Walsh or hurt the cynics arguments.
None of us, not one, think that Sky dope "because Kimmage said so".
I think Kimmage doesn't understand the doping issue as well as many of us here. I think he lets his emotion effect his judgment way too much. I think he give the benefit of the doubt to his countrymen and people he knows, way too much. I think he has too deep a belief in the possibility, utopia of clean sport. I think he was slow to see how Sky were duping him, I think he doesn't attack doping in other sports enough.
He has been proven naive in the past.
Even hypocritical in the past. I haven't seen the comment of him attacking Argentina as dopers but if he said something of the sort that doesn't paint him in too nice a picture.
etc.
Kimmage isn't perfect. No one of us consideres him as such.
What Kimmage does have however is 1 the ability to learn from his mistakes and to learn from history and 2 the discipline to discuss things and make up one's mind based on the arguments.
2 essential qualities for any human being. And those are 2 things Walsh lacks.
Which is why no matter how many skeletons you can uncover in kimmage's closet, and maybe someday you'll even find some things that make Kimmage out to be a bad person, none will be able to paint over the pure as day fact that Walsh right now is a total joke and a sellout.
PS I have no idea why you thought that was a particularly damaging quote. Saying a bunch of gruppeto fillers and 1 guy who came 5th, on a team that's actually been quite transparent, in 2008 are clean, isn't really comparable to the arguments (and insults) Walsh has been using to defend the team that's been dominating the TDF.
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