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[auscyclefan94]

White says he is good to go - to go ProTeam - all set and match !

There were rumours that the Contador's positive made a major US-based sponsor suddenly back track on sponsoring the Australian team, leaving a hole in the team's planned budget. However White denied this to Cyclingnews @ [http://cyclingnews.com/Gillette]

how do you know and are so sure that the sponsor is gillette?

 

[hubbard]

loose the e and you have something

 

[ingsve]

It's a bit insulting that he thinks they deserve a PT spot when they admittedly have the weakest squad of the teams that are applying. This is not a charity.

 

[Marcus135]

It's a bit insulting that he thinks they deserve a PT spot when they admittedly have the weakest squad of the teams that are applying. This is not a charity.

Well what is he suppose to say? He wants the spot, he has worked hard for a number of years to try to get it. He has to act with confidence about it, there is no point him saying "oh i hope we do but we most likely wont because we done deserve it at all". He may think something like that but hes not going to state it, that would be stupid.

 

[auscyclefan94]

It's a bit insulting that he thinks they deserve a PT spot when they admittedly have the weakest squad of the teams that are applying. This is not a charity.

Globalising the sport! Very important for cycling. They have done it the proper way instead of buying lots of big riders and going straight into the PT.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Globalising the sport! Very important for cycling. They have done it the proper way instead of buying lots of big riders and going straight into the PT.

So they deserve to go straight into the PT because they didn't do something in order to go straight into the PT?

 

[Marcus135]

So they deserve to go straight into the PT because they didn't do something in order to go straight into the PT?

Well if you want cycling could stay in europe alone and as the european population falls both physically and relatively to the rest of the world the sport will slowly die out...

 

[The Hitch]

Globalising the sport! Very important for cycling. They have done it the proper way instead of buying lots of big riders and going straight into the PT.

Well if you want cycling could stay in europe alone and as the european population falls both physically and relatively to the rest of the world the sport will slowly die out...

No offense but i have seen time and time again on this forum from Australians "that globalise the sport" is Australian for " include Australia" (see thread from half a year ago were Australian OP said to globalise the sport before talking ONLY about Australia"

For me globalising the sport is important, but more towards the Orient, especially Japan, Korea, China rather than the small (population wise) country which already has a pt race, held the world championship rr and tt and has some of the biggest names in the sport.

 

[adamski101]

Well if you want cycling could stay in europe alone and as the european population falls both physically and relatively to the rest of the world the sport will slowly die out...

i think that's a bit of an over reaction. the pro-tour is not a purely european domain. Radioshack, Garmin-Cervelo, HTC, BMC, Astana (registered in europe but not backed by European money)....to name a few.

the future of the sport is not going to depend on whether there is an Australian PT team. For the sport to truely become global it would be beneficial to have teams from Australia, maybe S Africa, Japan, China, South America......the list is possibly endless.

Cycling has always been a predominately European based sport, but it is opening up and changing, you just need to look at the peloton nowadays, and there are riders from all across the globe. The teams will often be more eurocentric as that is where the histroy of the sport lies and inevitably where the sponsors interests will lie. The riders are making the sport more international and the UCI needs to encourage more races outside of Europe (such as this years races in Canada). That way the sport will truly grow.

 

[Marcus135]

All the other pro tour teams that are not European are american... Yes you could look to asia but i think they have 2 riders in the pro tour now or something... Australia is included in the Asian region as well...

 

[hubbard]

its a euro sport and always will be. all the history is in europe, and all the interesting and best races are held in europe. the rest of the worldwide scene will always be a support act. and yes, i live in australia. and no, i dont see an 'australian' protour team being of any particular significance to the sport. particularly if it is not strong enough to compete properly with the big guns.

 

[adamski101]

All the other pro tour teams that are not European are american... Yes you could look to asia but i think they have 2 riders in the pro tour now or something... Australia is included in the Asian region as well...

Not all non euro teams are american. Astana, backed by Kazakh government, now I pretty sure that Kazakhstan is not in Europe.

As Hitch quite rightly said the Asian market is key, there are some major companies who would be very attractice sponsors for a team at any level. Yes there maybe only a few Asians riders in the PT right now, but if there was a Chinese or Japanese backed team it would increase awareness. The globalisation of the sport is not purely dependant on an Australian team getting a PT licence. I persoanlly think it would be great to see a Colombian backed team riding the major races in Europe again. The are some potentially huge untapped markets in the Far East and S.America.

But at the end of the day it doesn't really matter where the teams come from, so long as the sport continues to grow and develop.

 

[ingsve]

For me it would be more interesting with regards to globalization if teams like Tabriz Petrochemical Cycling Team or Giant Asia Racing Team turned Pro Continental and started racing more in europe.

 

[ingsve]

Well what is he suppose to say? He wants the spot, he has worked hard for a number of years to try to get it. He has to act with confidence about it, there is no point him saying "oh i hope we do but we most likely wont because we done deserve it at all". He may think something like that but hes not going to state it, that would be stupid.

Saying that he hopes for a spot would at least be more humble and respectful of his competition. What will he say now if he doesn't get a spot? That they were cheated out of it by someone who didn't deserve it?

 

[Sydney21]

All the other pro tour teams that are not European are american... Yes you could look to asia but i think they have 2 riders in the pro tour now or something... Australia is included in the Asian region as well...

Just like to point out the Kazaksthan is in Asia and they have a half a team of Asian riders.

Well if you want cycling could stay in europe alone and as the european population falls both physically and relatively to the rest of the world the sport will slowly die out...

Jesus will return before that happens

its a euro sport and always will be. all the history is in europe, and all the interesting and best races are held in europe. the rest of the worldwide scene will always be a support act. and yes, i live in australia. and no, i dont see an 'australian' protour team being of any particular significance to the sport. particularly if it is not strong enough to compete properly with the big guns.

I agree.. will never be anything but a european sport but will continue to globalise especially into Asia. Australian Pro Tour Team means nothing at the moment. The vast majority of Australia care about one race only and Pegasus don't even have a single rider that can figure in the mountains at the moment Chris White has missed out on too many opportunities for this squad to consistantly win or even figure in many races that aren't dead flat. Citing Trent Lowe and rohregger sa GC prospects doesnt bode well for ones respectability. And what's more is that they have a big lead out and Robbie sprints just as well without one. Some serious managerial errors have been made.

 

[adamski101]

For me it would be more interesting with regards to globalization if teams like Tabriz Petrochemical Cycling Team or Giant Asia Racing Team turned Pro Continental and started racing more in europe.

Ditto....well said!!

 

[Michele]

For me it would be more interesting with regards to globalization if teams like Tabriz Petrochemical Cycling Team or Giant Asia Racing Team turned Pro Continental and started racing more in europe.

One my friend ride for Giant Asia and by what he says the team management (or better say sponsors) doesn't care much about coming to Europe or anyway upgrading to Pro Conti.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Nominal base of the team is a long way down the globalisation priorities: Irish interest is in Dan Martin and Nick Roche, not Ceramica Flaminia, De Rosa or Colnago; UK coverage (apart from one channel, obviously) does not get excited about wins by Greg Henderson of EBH just because they are on a UK registered team.

In terms of competition for sponsorship money from large global companies, TV coverage globalisation is what will matter (even with the advent of Team Sky and Cavendish, TV and mass media coverage in the UK is minimal), and this is dependent not on registration of teams, nor on simple presence of riders (v few UK viewers tune in to see how Charlie Wegelius or Chris Froome are getting on), but on competitive riders featuring on races, or at least being expected to do so.

That will occur by investment in the continental tours, so that potentially very good athletes will consider becoming good riders, and they will then have a chance of being picked up by top teams early enough for them to have a career as stars, rather than joining at an age and with an experience base that means they will only ever be domestiques if they do join the larger teams.

 

[Tuarts]

A bump for the first of the month.

Has thee been any news coming out of the Pegasus Camp lately?

To me this silence means one of two things, especially for a new team that really needs to get itself out there. Firstly there's some big news around the corner that they're sitting on waiting to release. Or there's been some huge ****up (and not just PT rejection) that they are trying to keep a lid on.

On a sligtly different tangent, when was the UCI meant to make a decision on all this? Thought it was meant to be in all finalised in October.

 

[adamski101]

A bump for the first of the month.

Has thee been any news coming out of the Pegasus Camp lately?

To me this silence means one of two things, especially for a new team that really needs to get itself out there. Firstly there's some big news around the corner that they're sitting on waiting to release. Or there's been some huge ****up (and not just PT rejection) that they are trying to keep a lid on.

On a sligtly different tangent, when was the UCI meant to make a decision on all this? Thought it was meant to be in all finalised in October.

UCI did say they would announce the PT licences in November sometime, can't recall the precise date. With regards to continued silence from Pegasus, it does seem a bit odd, bearing in mind that Team Lux have been announcing riders reguarlarly over the last week or so. Also i thought it was quite interesting that Hunt joined Sky last week when he was origianlly supposed to have signed with Pegasus. You do begin to wonder what is going on? Is it lack of sponsorship? Is lack of a big name rider?

 

[nobilis]

rather than joining at an age and with an experience base that means they will only ever be domestiques if they do join the larger teams.

Are you talking about Russell Downing?

 

[auscyclefan94]

UCI did say they would announce the PT licences in November sometime, can't recall the precise date. With regards to continued silence from Pegasus, it does seem a bit odd, bearing in mind that Team Lux have been announcing riders reguarlarly over the last week or so. Also i thought it was quite interesting that Hunt joined Sky last week when he was origianlly supposed to have signed with Pegasus. You do begin to wonder what is going on? Is it lack of sponsorship? Is lack of a big name rider?

Chris White denied that the sponsorship fell through. Something is not quite right though. I just want to know who will be sponsoring the team.

 

[NickBVK]

Running out of (freely available) riders. While Rogers isn't really a GT guy, they don't have a top level stage racer - he was one of the last I can think of off the top of my head.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Running out of (freely available) riders. While Rogers isn't really a GT guy, they don't have a top level stage racer - he was one of the last I can think of off the top of my head.

White has said all along that he has a big name rider and that there will be a few surprises to be announced. Cancellara seems to be going to team lux but he is the only big name on the market.

 

[hubbard]

there has been a lot of talk really. and very little real action to speak of.