Pellizotti been given a 2 year ban [was - prematurely- Pellizotti acquitted !]

[Ferminal]

Meanwhile, Ivan "The Thinker" Basso gets onto the 2009 Giro podium, while Mr Human Plasma looks down from the top step.
Leipheimer, whose blood values were pre passport flagged, moves up to 4th.
Truly screwed up. Pro cycling should be renamed wacky races.

Followed by a man who was kicked out of a previous edition, a former client of The Greatest, and most relevant of all, Tadej himself.

Oh and HWSNBN cracks the top 10.

Was Contador 2nd in the KoM in the Tour?

 

[Oldman]

Followed by a man who was kicked out of a previous edition, a former client of The Greatest, and most relevant of all, Tadej himself.

Oh and HWSNBN cracks the top 10.

Was Contador 2nd in the KoM in the Tour?

They should keep the jerseys and podium money in escrow for two years from here on out. It was already ridiculous.

 

[TubularBills]

Followed by a man who was kicked out of a previous edition, a former client of The Greatest, and most relevant of all, Tadej himself.

Oh and HWSNBN cracks the top 10.

Was Contador 2nd in the KoM in the Tour?

2009 TDF KOM

1. PELLIZOTTI Franco
2. MARTINEZ Egoi
3. CONTADOR Alberto
4. SCHLECK Andy
5. FEDRIGO Pierrick

"I felt many different emotions during this Tour. Above all, I had the ambition to win a stage. I tried several times but I could not achieved that goal even if I did come close. But the other objective was to win the polka-dot jersey and I’ve realized that. With the ‘Fighting Spirit’ as well, I’m leaving this Tour with two awards which proves that I was present every day. Along with my team-mates we helped to animate this race.

“Going up on the podium of the Tour de France, with my wife Claudio and my two children just near by is an incredible feeling. I had already finished the Tour on the Champs-Elysées in the past but I’ve never gone through this ceremony.

“The battle for the polka-dot jersey went on for quite some time. I was very demanding to get it, and just as though to keep it. I am the first Italian to win this title after Claudio Chiappucci and that means a lot to me. When I saw him on the roads of the Tour all those years ago with this jersey… it was one of the images that remained with me; I wanted to win it one day.”

http://www.letour.fr/2009/TDF/LIVE/us/2100/journal_etape.html

 

[D-Queued]

The new news report says Franco will lose his KOM title and Giro second place...

So this obviously means that Sastre will be declared second and Basso third.

But what will happen to the 2009 Tour de France KOM jersey? I remember that the 2008 jersey had been taken away from Kohl and officially given to Sastre...but there was not a lot of information and PR around that.

What will happen now to the polka-dots?

Recall also that Ricco tested positive for EPO and was stripped of the polka dot in 2008 - and his whole team abandoned (presumably because they were all about to test positive for Micera). The Tour started Stage 12 with no polka dot.

To tie this discussion with another thread:
-AFLD ran testing in the 2008 Tour, and riders like Ricco and Beltran got busted and dirty teams abandoned "escorted by the French Police" (e.g. SD's previous loss of team leader Mayo, EPO, 2007)
- UCI ran testing in the 2009 Tour, and didn't test for EPO

Yes, I am very glad to see the Pelizotti suspension upheld. But, the boat still has a few holes in it.

Not testing for EPO? Gimme a break.

Dave.

 

[curium]

As an extra penalty, CAS has cancelled all of Pelizotti’s results from May 17, 2009. He will lose his second place at the Giro d’Italia (he finished third but Danilo Di Luca was subsequently disqualified for doping), his stage victory at the Tour de France and his polka-dot climber’s jersey. He has also been fined 115,000 Euro.

This has probably been highlighted already but I wanted to note that this highlights how delays in administrating doping cases makes a farce of the race result.
The person who originally finished 5th is now 3rd (until they get caught?), so this summer when watching the Grand Tours don't discard your betting slip if your man comes in 5th!

 

[BroDeal]

I think that if they are cancelling all his results from May/2009 then his suspension should run from that point as well. Instead he is effectively getting a three year suspension.

This has always been a problem with doping sanctions. There are no standards for when bans start. The authorities just make it up as they go along, and different riders get different sanctions.

 

[therealtimshady]

cue some brilliant inconsistency when kolo toure gets let off from a suspension for a positive test while AC and pellizotti get banned.

also missing drugs tests

rio ferdinand 9 months (back playing freely for 8 years)
michael rasmussen 2 years and has been blacklisted from pretty much every race

 

[Dr. Maserati]

This has probably been highlighted already but I wanted to note that this highlights how delays in administrating doping cases makes a farce of the race result.
The person who originally finished 5th is now 3rd (until they get caught?), so this summer when watching the Grand Tours don't discard your betting slip if your man comes in 5th!

Hold on - taking proved dopers off the results "makes a farce of the race result"?

Surely it corrects the race results.

I think that if they are cancelling all his results from May/2009 then his suspension should run from that point as well. Instead he is effectively getting a three year suspension.

This has always been a problem with doping sanctions. There are no standards for when bans start. The authorities just make it up as they go along, and different riders get different sanctions.

No.
The ban (or suspension) starts with notification of the A sample.
The results are usually only taken away from the date of when the doping is proven.

 

[Beech Mtn]

I think that if they are cancelling all his results from May/2009 then his suspension should run from that point as well. Instead he is effectively getting a three year suspension.

This has always been a problem with doping sanctions. There are no standards for when bans start. The authorities just make it up as they go along, and different riders get different sanctions.

+1. I would like to see Pelli appeal to some sort of civil court and get some precedents set, since these cases also fall under employment laws.

 

[D-Queued]

Anyone have a copy of the profile data?

In the official CAS release, they observed:

the variations in the haemoglobin concentration values during the period between April and October 2008 could not be considered as physiological but on the contrary were characteristic of blood taking thus demonstrating the blood manipulation in view of doping

It would be very interesting to see this data.

Dave.

 

[El Pistolero]

The new news report says Franco will lose his KOM title and Giro second place...

So this obviously means that Sastre will be declared second and Basso third.

But what will happen to the 2009 Tour de France KOM jersey? I remember that the 2008 jersey had been taken away from Kohl and officially given to Sastre...but there was not a lot of information and PR around that.

What will happen now to the polka-dots?

Probably going to Contador if points will be recounted. Or a close call between him and Egoi Martinez.

 

[MarkvW]

Hold on - taking proved dopers off the results "makes a farce of the race result"?

Surely it corrects the race results.



No.
The ban (or suspension) starts with notification of the A sample.
The results are usually only taken away from the date of when the doping is proven.

Doping corrupts the race results, no matter how you slice it, unless the race is a time trial. A clean team leader supported by a pack of dopers gets a huge unfair advantage--so does the innocent, blameless rider who unknowingly drafts off a strong doped opponent. "Correcting" race results administratively after the fact, just tangles things up more.

Results (or to use the pompous bike term, palmares) are a joke. The race itself is the only thing of value.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Doping corrupts the race results, no matter how you slice it, unless the race is a time trial. A clean team leader supported by a pack of dopers gets a huge unfair advantage--so does the innocent, blameless rider who unknowingly drafts off a strong doped opponent. "Correcting" race results administratively after the fact, just tangles things up more.

Results (or to use the pompous bike term, palmares) are a joke. The race itself is the only thing of value.

So - a clean rider should not move up in the results when an opponent has been caught doping?

 

[BroDeal]

No.
The ban (or suspension) starts with notification of the A sample.
The results are usually only taken away from the date of when the doping is proven.

The end result is that he gets three years of no race results instead of two.

Landis got two and a half years. He stopped racing as soon as he was notified, and he still got an extra six months. Other riders have their bans start from the last time they raced. There is no consistency.

 

[pedaling squares]

"Correcting" race results administratively after the fact, just tangles things up more.

It is hardly a perfect solution. Removing the results of a dirty rider may well see a highly-suspected-as-dirty rider add a GT podium to his palmares. But consider the alternatives, allowing a proven doper to keep his ill-gotten gains is unacceptable. Failing to award a podium spot (leaving it blank) would punish a rider who has not been proven dirty. If we are going to have credible anti-doping measures we have to be fair to those who are not caught in the controls.

 

[Benotti69]

i would like to see on what numbers this 2 year ban was based and was anyone else (HWSNBN and others) close to them.

 

[Anonymous]

2009 TDF KOM

1. PELLIZOTTI Franco
2. MARTINEZ Egoi
3. CONTADOR Alberto
4. SCHLECK Andy
5. FEDRIGO Pierrick

its not as simple as awarding it to Martinez though. Youd have to work back and see who was directly behind Pellizotti on each climb he picked up points on and reallocated points. Could be that any one of the riders 3rd to 5th won it effectively.

They will just award no jersey.

 

[flicker]

Hold on - taking proved dopers off the results "makes a farce of the race result"?

Surely it corrects the race results.



No.
The ban (or suspension) starts with notification of the A sample.
The results are usually only taken away from the date of when the doping is proven.

Pellozotti should have been banned after he won that *** dirt road ski resort climbing TT in the Giro years back. That performance was farcical.
Pellozoti spit in everyones face back then. His polka dot jersey in the Tour should be lifted also.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Pellozotti should have been banned after he won that *** dirt road ski resort climbing TT in the Giro years back. That performance was farcical.
Pellozoti spit in everyones face back then. His polka dot jersey in the Tour should be lifted also.

Always a bit of reason, eh Flikie?

I wait with baited breath to appreciate your next insight...

 

[BroDeal]

Always a bit of reason, eh Flikie?

I await him applying a similar level of outrage to Armstrong's farcical performances.

+1. I would like to see Pelli appeal to some sort of civil court and get some precedents set, since these cases also fall under employment laws.

I think it is only a matter of time before a rider does take it to the civil courts using labor laws. Instead of being proactive and fixing the issue, WADA/CAS/UCI are waiting for the it blow up on them.

 

[D-Queued]

Pellozotti should have been banned after he won that *** dirt road ski resort climbing TT in the Giro years back. That performance was farcical.
Pellozoti spit in everyones face back then. His polka dot jersey in the Tour should be lifted also.

This is two (three?) posts today that I have applauded.

I don't like cyclists who spit in the face of their competitors.

Dave.

 

[Dallas_]

Good news. BP passes muster and is here to stay.

An interview with Ashenden would be icing on the cake.

cheers for cycling

 

[D-Queued]

Good news. BP passes muster and is here to stay.

An interview with Ashenden would be icing on the cake.

cheers for cycling

... as would a look at the data...

Anybody?

Bueller?

Dave.

 

[Benotti69]

I await him applying a similar level of outrage to Armstrong's farcical performances.



I think it is only a matter of time before a rider does take it to the civil courts using labor laws. Instead of being proactive and fixing the issue, WADA/CAS/UCI are waiting for the it blow up on them.

Will Contador be the first

 

[flicker]

I await him applying a similar level of outrage to Armstrong's farcical performances.



I think it is only a matter of time before a rider does take it to the civil courts using labor laws. Instead of being proactive and fixing the issue, WADA/CAS/UCI are waiting for the it blow up on them.

Do you think if Pelozzoti had not made a stink and just went along,(no lawsuit, mouthing off, showing he really means business by getting rid of his perm and French tickler) Pelozzoti would be riding tomarrow?
Getting rid of his Harpo Marx-like locks and the French tickler really provided me with evidence on how serious France was with his lawsuit against the UCI.