Penn St., Sandusky and Joe Paterno

[ChrisE]

I just saw on ESPN some fat pasty college student declaring his support for Paterno and the football program. Right about now is a good time to go take that dump I have been feeling the last hour.

 

[Parera]

The catholic church scandal has resulted in a $2 billion payout up to now. If you consider that the football team makes a yearly profit of about $50 million, and you add it over the 10 years of child rape cover up, I could easily see a multi $100 million payout.

CNBC estimated the civil liability for Penn State could be around $100 million.

 

[Altitude]

Those riots are so pathetic. What a bunch of retards

 

[Libertine Seguros]

didn't you get the memo? football builds character !!!! would any of us be the men we are without it?

Calvin didn't get any benefits out of football that I recall, and he spent lots of time building character. Baseball was his main gripe though.

 

[MarkvW]

CNBC estimated the civil liability for Penn State could be around $100 million.

They will pay and pay and pay. The enduring legacy of Joe Paterno.

 

[Merckx index]

If you want to get an idea of the long-term damage this kind of abuse can cause:

http://www.thepostgame.com/features...sex-abuse-scandal-still-inflicting-pain-today

Slowly, Ogletree says, he's figuring out what love means. He sees it from his mom and his sisters even if he can't return it in full. And he wants to feel it toward his four children, 16-year-old Kadeshia, 15-year-old Leeronnie, 12-year-old Leeroy and 9-year-old Randell, none of whom he knows particularly well. He meets with them once a week. Goes to the mall. Catches a movie. Plays football or basketball.

"He's confused how to be a father," says Crump, his lawyer. "It's one of the saddest experiences possible."

This is a story about a similar perpetrator, an employee of the Boston Red Sox, who also got away with it for many years. I had never heard of this scandal, and i guess most people didn't, so in that sense I guess a little progress has been made. Just the fact that there is enormous public outrage is something new and encouraging. Also, the perp then never did jail time. Sandusky, I am quite sure, will spend the rest of his life in jail, though it's interesting he's out on bail now.

But in many ways, not a lot seems to have changed:

One victim, according to a complaint filed by his lawyer two decades later, told Red Sox home clubhouse manager Vince Orlando that Fitzpatrick had abused him for the previous three seasons. Orlando fired the boy.

This is reminiscent of Sandusky threatening to send a boy home if he didn't "cooperate" with him.

Two sources, who asked not to be identified, said a Red Sox player caught Fitzpatrick sodomizing a boy in the shower, much like then-Penn State graduate assistant Mike McQueary did Sandusky. The player reported the incident to the team but not police. Fitzpatrick kept his job anyway.

 

[ElChingon]

They will pay and pay and pay. The enduring legacy of Joe Paterno.

There's the legal fee's, then there's the new stigma associated with Penn St.. Less applications in 2012 of undergrads, less athlete's accepting scholarships, more bribery by the board/alum-association to get quality players (like other schools), higher chance of getting caught by NCAA, then our forever link of the story in to anyone we meet who is associated with Penn St.

They're going to pay for a long long time.

 

[craig1985]

It would be even funnier if teargas and rubber bullets were sprayed into those idiots. Maybe turn loose a pack of police dogs on them. How somebody could riot for somebody that turned a blind eye to sodomizing a child is something I cannot even begin to imagine.

The actions of these *** and the actions of those in the Penn State football program goes right to the heart of everything in society if you care to look.

TBH, I've never understood why college sport in America is so big, I mean 100,000 people for a college football game, ESPN showing live a intra-college game? Jesus H. Christ.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Priorities

Civil penalties are a low priority. Not to the damaged for life kids, but as a part of the public discussion. If there aren't public and severe penalties, and there might not be this IS football (the U.S. kind) we're talking about, then it will all be for naught.

Keep in mind, the FIRST and last deal to close the controversy was Mr. Paterno retiring. Retiring a storied and much beloved coach and then letting the sands of time sweep over the conditions of his retirement such that another legend would live on was supposed to be the end. That's letting the legend live on explicitly forgiving multiple grave crimes while pretending nothing bad happened. THAT was supposed to be enough.

At this point, it will be hard to know many parts of why nothing was reported for so many awful years. It's the equivalent of cockroaches scurrying when the lights come on. But there were clearly a number of laws broken even after the fact and the full weight of the Rule of Law needs to be exercised not only for now, but for the next time. A civil lawsuit that likely gets settled out of court like 98% of all U.S. cases does not do the job.

craig1985, people love college U.S. football for many reasons. Many people stay in the area they went to college, the sport's rules generate lots of sport drama, and my favorite part is the mistakes that can and do change the game. Football is important for no good reason other than something people rally around and the football program's success/failure somehow a reflection of the overall quality of the school. It doesn't make sense, it just is. College basketball in some regions of the U.S. has similar qualities.

 

[RigelKent]

We don't have the same system of club sports here as much of the rest of the world so we pour all the passion onto college and even high-school sports. And there's a long history of nations keeping the populace quiet with "bread and circuses." It isn't different in substance than all the other sports called football, or cricket, or ice hockey in the north countries, or sumo, or whatever a nation's particular sport of passion (even cycling!). It's just that the US, with more money floating around than any other nation, can televise, advertise, accessorize and idolize more than anyone else.
With football and basketball, college level is essentially a second pro league. It provides hundreds of smaller communities across the nation with a team they can support just like a pro team. And while DirtyWorks is right in bringing up the communities that build up around the colleges the opposite is also true. We're a highly mobile country, and grads from the major schools move all around the country and want to see their team play on Saturdays. That's what makes the nationally televised games happen.

 

[Steve H.]

Jerry Sandusky is also alleged to have used the second mile to place boys into prostitution. My wife works with two recent PSU grads who say they were told they had to donate money and time to the second mile and did indeed do this. The state AG at the time and when the DA investigating went missing and is presumed dead, was Tom Corbett, current gov. of PA. I wonder why two highly placed and paid individuals would lie to the GJ knowing they would be caught and what they don't want to talk about.

 

[ElChingon]

Jerry Sandusky is also alleged to have used the second mile to place boys into prostitution. My wife works with two recent PSU grads who say they were told they had to donate money and time to the second mile and did indeed do this. The state AG at the time and when the DA investigating went missing and is presumed dead, was Tom Corbett, current gov. of PA. I wonder why two highly placed and paid individuals would lie to the GJ knowing they would be caught and what they don't want to talk about.

What? You sure about that?

 

[MarkvW]

Jerry Sandusky is also alleged to have used the second mile to place boys into prostitution. My wife works with two recent PSU grads who say they were told they had to donate money and time to the second mile and did indeed do this. The state AG at the time and when the DA investigating went missing and is presumed dead, was Tom Corbett, current gov. of PA. I wonder why two highly placed and paid individuals would lie to the GJ knowing they would be caught and what they don't want to talk about.

The more PSU is wrapped up with the Second Mile, the more PSU will pay to the victims.

 

[Cobblestones]

The more PSU is wrapped up with the Second Mile, the more PSU will pay to the victims.

The judge who released Sandusky on bail, also volunteered for the Second Mile.

It's time for the Feds to have a hard look at this under the RICO act.

 

[Steve H.]

The judge who released Sandusky on bail, also volunteered for the Second Mile.

There are a lot of prominent individuals connected to the Second Mile. Upon his retirement, Sandusky got about $450,000 and was still receiving around $25,000 per month from PSU.

 

[Steve H.]

The more PSU is wrapped up with the Second Mile, the more PSU will pay to the victims.

Oh, I understand the first civil suits have now been filed.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Jerry Sandusky is also alleged to have used the second mile to place boys into prostitution. My wife works with two recent PSU grads who say they were told they had to donate money and time to the second mile and did indeed do this. The state AG at the time and when the DA investigating went missing and is presumed dead, was Tom Corbett, current gov. of PA. I wonder why two highly placed and paid individuals would lie to the GJ knowing they would be caught and what they don't want to talk about.

If it's true, I wonder if this will make it into the mainstream media. The football program has lots of friends to protect what's left. There's quite a bit left to protect.

 

[Steve H.]

If it's true, I wonder if this will make it into the mainstream media. The football program has lots of friends to protect what's left. There's quite a bit left to protect.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...horror-story-continues-to-get-more-disturbing

 

[Steve H.]

If it's true, I wonder if this will make it into the mainstream media. The football program has lots of friends to protect what's left. There's quite a bit left to protect.

http://vaticproject.blogspot.com/2011/11/is-there-tie-in-to-franklin-scandel.html

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2806884/posts?page=1


To: OutSpot
Evidently the President who was recently fired by the board has a reputation for enthusiastically pushing “gay rights.”

“Those who knew former Penn State President Graham Spanier during his four years as chancellor of the University of Nebraska-Lincoln described him Wednesday as a champion of gay and minority students who wasn’t afraid to fight for what he believed to be right.”

Rest of that article is here:

http://journalstar.com/news/local/education/article_3b139234-2902-5efe-a462-0ee05a5d5e31.html

Now that may be perfectly OK, at least as far as such stuff is ever OK, since just about every university President in the country has been pushing gay rights, conservative religious schools excepted. But I am a bit curious about this, and wonder if there are any odd connections between Spanier and Frazier, or what role Frazier may have played in hiring Spanier to be President a few years ago.

 

[DirtyWorks]

http://vaticproject.blogspot.com/2011/11/is-there-tie-in-to-franklin-scandel.html

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2806884/posts?page=1

The CBS Sports link was especially telling. How many accused pedophiles get to plead their case on national TV with Bob Costas? It goes to show the college, the NCAA and college Football in general is absolutely willing to forgive awful things.

The vaticproject blog is a mess. I can't tell the difference between conspiracy and fact.

The freerepublic.com link is much better. But, hardly mainstream media. The University's board is not worried about a sitle like freerepublic.com. If ESPN published those facts with the same ominous spin, then the college would be very worried.

The inference of accepting a diverse student body by promoting gay attendance somehow being linked to the pedophilia and allegations thereof is just plain wrong. The two are not related in healthy people that may be homosexual.

 

[Boeing]

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[ElChingon]

Fixed that for ya!

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

Sad thing is, that's prolly not Photoshoped.

 

[Boeing]

Thank for the fix ElChi I couldn't quote and see that pic twice

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

As I said a few days ago, the board needed to fire everyone, and that includes Tom Bradley and Mike McQueary, and when they are finished they should all resign. But they're not going to do that. I think the fact that the board of trustees named one of their own, David Joyner, as acting AD shows that this is going to be a CYA attempt to control things, more than to institute overall change. The school is too much of a money making institution, and for some a cash cow of easy money and privileged access, to assert the real change needed.

Disgusting that NBC would not only have Costas interview Sandusky, but hardly press him at all, and then widely promote the interview. Costs and NBC are nearly as culpable as the PSU board and should be highly criticized for this publicity stunt.