Pereiro goes berserk

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

You don't consider Floyd the winner but you say things like " We both know Andy Schleck didnt win that Tour " about 2010.

Andy Schleck has said on record that he won't consider it a win. Not sure why Pereiro does, though. How he can live with himself when the title clearly belongs to Landis is beyond me.

 

[luckyboy]

lol, what can he do? It's not his fault he is considered the winner because Landis was caught.

 

[hrotha]

Not getting caught is part of the rules, so in that sense Pereiro won (infinite quotation marks) "fair and square."

It's true that what he did is deflection, but in this case it's justified when the people around him were attacking cycling for being dirty and defending football at the same time. In general my stance on this is that I'm a cycling fan, I want cycling to be clean and I don't really care about what other sports do, that's their problem - but in a situation where ignorant football fans are acting all superior, it's perfectly justified to talk about doping in their sport and about the different treatment cycling gets.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

If the hosts were cycling guys, then yes it's deflection. But they're not. They are people on the outside throwing stones at him, whilst standing in a carefully constructed glass house.

There is doping in cycling, lots of it, and Óscar Pereiro will have seen it first hand, will have been it first hand. But he's also not stupid, and he knows that there is doping in football. And he knows that it is treated very differently which is why nobody talks about it, nobody knows about it. And whether he doped or not, it doesn't change the hypocrisy or the ignorance shown by those around him here. He was well within his rights to focus conversation not on himself, or Alejandro Valverde or Alberto Contador, but on Zinedine Zidane, Carlos Gurpegui and Pep Guardiola.

 

[jamiephillips]

When he talks about European championships, is Pereiro talking about the international football tournament and therefore the Spanish national team, or at least the Real and Barca players that play for the national side??
Interestingly before O.P. at Euro 2004 Spain didn't get past the group stage, however after at Euro 2008 they became champions.

If he means the European club champions then this would have been Barca in 2006, I remember Thierry Henry accused them of cheating after Arsenal were beaten by them in the final! Although Henry was of course talking about diving and play-acting to influence the ref, not illegal blood transfusions.

 

[hrotha]

When he talks about European championships, is Pereiro talking about the international football tournament and therefore the Spanish national team, or at least the Real and Barca players that play for the national side??
Interestingly before O.P. at Euro 2004 Spain didn't get past the group stage, however after at Euro 2008 they became champions.

After Galgo it surfaced that those blood bags and doping programs were for track & field athletes.

As for the Spanish national football team, well, they didn't get past the quarterfinals stage, but then everybody laughed at them for underachieving, didn't they?

I still see most of Spain's progress from 1992 onwards as catching up more than anything else. When you look at the size of Spain and at its results at the Olympic Games, it just didn't add up until after 1992.

 

[ferryman]

Thank you for the link. Is Oscar still playing semi-pro football? I guess that is why he was on the show. I don't have any Spanish but it was pretty powerful viewing regardless. And I think I caught a Contador/Clen reference in there at some point?

Anyway, whatever anyone thinks of Oscar his passion and frustration (which may well stem from guilt) can't be denied on this viewing. Now, his would be a book worth reading if he brought that to words.

It is depressing though to see that football pundits are the same in every country i.e. smug, predictable, overpaid and grey!! The guy did shut up in the end though and without any Spanish my take was he had no come back?

Points win to Oscar I would say.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Anything about this in the spanish papers? btw it could have been epic if he brings up Rafeal nadal.

 

[Le breton]

Thank you for the link. Is Oscar still playing semi-pro football? I guess that is why he was on the show. .

From wikipedia
Football career
In December 2010 Pereiro announced that he signed with Segunda División B club Coruxo FC. He said that it was his childhood dream to become a professional footballer. He made two appearances for the team that season, scoring twice.[9]

 

[jamiephillips]

As for the Spanish national football team, well, they didn't get past the quarterfinals stage, but then everybody laughed at them for underachieving, didn't they?

At Euro 2004 they went out at the group stage. At 2006 world cup they were knocked out by France in the last 16.

 

[hrotha]

At Euro 2004 they went out at the group stage. At 2006 world cup they were knocked out by France in the last 16.

Yes but the stage they could never get past was the quarterfinals. 2004 was a flop.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

At Euro 2004 they went out at the group stage. At 2006 world cup they were knocked out by France in the last 16.

world cup
1994 knock out by the azzuri in the quarter-finals
1998 didnt make it out of the group stages
2002 knoc out be korea n the quarter-finals

 

[hrotha]

world cup
1994 knock out by the azzuri in the quarter-finals
1998 didnt make it out of the group stages
2002 knoc out be korea n the quarter-finals

Euro
1996 knocked out by England in the quarter-finals
2000 knocked out by France in the quarter-finals
2004 didn't make it out of the group stage

No wonder the cursed stage was considered to be the quarter-finals. We wouldn't make it past that stage even when everything suggested we would (see 2002 vs South Korea).

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Euro
1996 knocked out by England in the quarter-finals
2000 knocked out by France in the quarter-finals
2004 didn't make it out of the group stage

No wonder the cursed stage was considered to be the quarter-finals. We wouldn't make it past that stage even when everything suggested we would (see 2002 vs South Korea).

am i right in saying the refereeing decision was bad?

 

[Michielveedeebee]

Pereiro tested positive during the 2006 Tour and was allowed to produce an after the fact TUE. His comments to the press when Landis was busted and when Landis told about Pereiro's use of artificial hemoglobin during 2006 make it clear that he was doping as well.

Taking into account Kloden's blood refill in Germany during the Tour, the entire podium of 2006 is known to have doped during that Tour. Depite that, Landis was the strongest and won on the road.

Pereiro bringing up other sports is the dope deflection policy that is currently in vogue amongst riders. They think that if they can point to something like football, it takes the heat off of cycling. It breaks down to, "No other sport is doing as much as cycling to fight doping so please forget that the top tens of our big events are peopled entirely by dopers."

You got any sources on this ? just want to read into it

 

[Libertine Seguros]

am i right in saying the refereeing decision was bad?

Let's just say that the South Korea fairytale in the 2002 World Cup was just that.

 

[Ferminal]

You got any sources on this ? just want to read into it

There is a link to the Pereiro positive up a bit on the first page.

Klöden was part of T-Mobile who all went to Freiburg Uni for transfusions. Klöden/Gonchar/Sinkewitz/Rogers were great that year.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/kloden-to-pay-fine-in-freiburg-clinic-doping-case

 

[Michielveedeebee]

There is a link to the Pereiro positive up a bit on the first page.

Klöden was part of T-Mobile who all went to Freiburg Uni for transfusions. Klöden/Gonchar/Sinkewitz/Rogers were great that year.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/kloden-to-pay-fine-in-freiburg-clinic-doping-case

Just saw that, thx for the link

 

[jamiephillips]

Yes but the stage they could never get past was the quarterfinals. 2004 was a flop.

Ah, I'm with you now!

 

[L'arriviste]

You got any sources on this ? just want to read into it

There is a link to the Pereiro positive up a bit on the first page.

Here's the Dopeology page for Pereiro too:
http://www.dopeology.org/people/Oscar_Pereiro/

 

[maltiv]

Pereiro just earned my respect. Way to go, destroying the life-lie of those ignorant gorillas.

 

[Albatros]

Pereiro has just gained my respect after watching this video clip. Cycling is indeed fvcked up in many aspects, but in the doping battle compared to football-at least our sport is doing something about it. He well knows the dirty tricks & what went on while on the road, but he also happens to have friends in football too, so he gets a broader picture & the capacity to criticize them -the problem -as always- comes down to money-and the Liga is a multi-billion Euro industry that won't allow doping scandals to emerge, no matter what.....

The Liga, the Premier League, the Champions League, the FIFA World Cup. You name it.

Doping in football is as frequent as it is in cycling.

I'd go even further. When was the last time a professional sportman/woman has won something of note without the help of doping.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

The Liga, the Premier League, the Champions League, the FIFA World Cup. You name it.

Doping in football is as frequent as it is in cycling.

I'd go even further. When was the last time a professional sportman/woman has won something of note without the help of doping.

Stage 11 of the 2011 Vuelta a España?

 

[Race Radio]

I do not see Pereiro's comments as defending cycling, or deflection, at all. In fact he says cycling is a mess and they were a bunch of idiots.

He is talking to a bunch of football guys who deny there is an issue in football and want to pretend that doping is only a cycling issue. His response is very valid given the venue it is delivered.

 

[Albatros]

Stage 11 of the 2011 Vuelta a España?

Cause a Frenchman won it?

Nice one. Only Spaniards dope. It is in their genes since 1992