Pereiro goes berserk

[Libertine Seguros]

Cause a Frenchman won it?

Nice one. Only Spaniards dope. It is in their genes since 1992

No, because David Moncoutié won it. The nationality is not important. The rider is.

 

[GotDropped]

Pereiro doesn't seem to consider anyone who has taken drugs to be a cheat. He is arguing that it is unfair that cyclists recieve different treatment in regards to other sportsmen. He even uses the frase at the end "I have never tested positive". (sound familiar) Why doesn't he say, "I have never used drugs. I have never cheated. Everyone who has used drugs is a cheat". But he doesn't. He just complains that he football players get away with it. He even says "somos tontos" (we are stupid), but what is he referring to?... if he was clean, he did everything perfectly and beat the cheats! Nothing stupid about that.

 

[The Hitch]

Anything about this in the spanish papers?

Unlikely, the guy with the moustache on Oscars right is what they call a "sports journalist".

Thats the type of person who writes for Marca and gets to provide "expert opinion" on channels like Sky sports.

So of course nothing about foorbtallers doping will ever get out in the media.

 

[hrotha]

Well, there's now an extended article on the As site (dunno about the printed edition), but of course it's not going to be in the headlines because it's just some dude freaking out in a pretty irrelevant TV show. Non-sport newspapers feature the Yannick Noah story quite prominently in their sports sections though.

 

[Albatros]

No, because David Moncoutié won it. The nationality is not important. The rider is.

I see. Surely you must know the person inside out, and more importantly, you have a camera watching over him 24/7.

A pity that he is cyling in an era plagued with doping, cause someone beating the dopers must be a truly special athlete.

 

[The Hitch]

am i right in saying the refereeing decision was bad?

That was a funny one. Spain had like 4 goals disallowed. I think 2 for the ball allegedly crossing the goal line before the cross was made, when it did not.

 

[Albatros]

That was a funny one. Spain had like 4 goals disallowed. I think 2 for the ball allegedly crossing the goal line before the cross was made, when it did not.

The referee was doped.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Pereiro doesn't seem to consider anyone who has taken drugs to be a cheat. He is arguing that it is unfair that cyclists recieve different treatment in regards to other sportsmen. He even uses the frase at the end "I have never tested positive". (sound familiar) Why doesn't he say, "I have never used drugs. I have never cheated. Everyone who has used drugs is a cheat". But he doesn't. He just complains that he football players get away with it. He even says "somos tontos" (we are stupid), but what is he referring to?... if he was clean, he did everything perfectly and beat the cheats! Nothing stupid about that.

That's probably because most people are satisfied that Pereiro was involved with doping at least at some point in his career. He accepted that cycling has a problem, but argues that it is unfair cyclists receive different treatment in regards to other sportsmen.

I don't see why he's supposed to claim he's never doped, or defend cycling. He's pointing out the hypocrisy of the idiots sat around him, and pointing out that if a cyclist did what Zidane, Guardiola or Gurpegui did (and they're just the ones dumb enough to get caught) they may still be heroes to many... but their infractions wouldn't be forgotten footnotes in their careers that nobody cares about. He points out the reputation suffering, and the number of positives being higher, because of continuous testing (mentioning his son's embarrassment at the testers turning up at his house over and over again).

Those sports journalists don't care about drugs in football. They have no idea about the drugs testing or lack thereof, and if they do know they suppress that information, because "people don't care". The guy with the moustache counts Pereiro's examples of footballers who've tested positive as if they are the only ones, but Pereiro is well aware, and points out, that not testing positive does not = clean. He stopped short of implying himself or anything like that, which is why he's being accused of deflection or defensiveness. You've got to bear in mind, however, that he's on a chauvinist football haven, replete with the kind of guys who have no interest in hearing about anything other than how wonderful the Barcelona front line are. Trying to engage in fair, even-handed debate and being able to admit his own failings vs. those of people around him is not even an option.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Well, there's now an extended article on the As site (dunno about the printed edition), but of course it's not going to be in the headlines because it's just some dude freaking out in a pretty irrelevant TV show. Non-sport newspapers feature the Yannick Noah story quite prominently in their sports sections though.

Thank you, i feel obliged to make some comments

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I see. Surely you must know the person inside out, and more importantly, you have a camera watching over him 24/7.

A pity that he is cyling in an era plagued with doping, cause someone beating the dopers must be a truly special athlete.

I trust you are unfamiliar with Moncoutié's history and the stories about him then.

 

[Albatros]

I trust you are unfamiliar with Moncoutié's history and the stories about him then.

I trust you are unfamiliar with the effects doping has on athletic performance.
And yes, no idea who Mouncoutie is and what he preaches.

 

[Benotti69]

I trust you are unfamiliar with the effects doping has on athletic performance.
And yes, no idea who Mouncoutie is and what he preaches.

Do a search on Moncoutie then. He does not take medicine, period, never mind PEDs.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Do a search on Moncoutie then. He does not take medicine, period, never mind PEDs.

Albatros doesnt need to go far http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=13082

 

[Albatros]

Do a search on Moncoutie then. He does not take medicine, period, never mind PEDs.

I rather listen to Manzano and other confesed dopers about the effects doping had on their performance. They are much more likely to be telling the truth. And that is supported by scientific studies.

Doping does help so much that if you beat the dopers you are doping.

 

[Benotti69]

I rather listen to Manzano and other confesed dopers about the effects doping had on their performance. They are much more likely to be telling the truth. And that is supported by scientific studies.

Doping does help so much that if you beat the dopers you are doping.

Confessed dopers have stated that Moncoutie is clean. Go figure.

 

[The Hitch]

I rather listen to Manzano and other confesed dopers about the effects doping had on their performance. They are much more likely to be telling the truth. And that is supported by scientific studies.

Doping does help so much that if you beat the dopers you are doping.

The example Libertine gave though was a stage of the Vuelta.

Not the entire race but just the stgae.

A stage is far more possible for a clean rider to win because often, the top guys are more than willing to mark eachother, or save themselves for another day.

While Moncoutie was a hero that day, as he has been for many years, had the top guys decided they wanted the stage, chances are he would not have won it.

I think your comment would find more sympathy, if you specify that you are talking about major races where the top guys want to win, which perhaps you meant and Libertine was taking the Liberty by mentioning a stage winner.

 

[Cobblestoned]

Thank you, Oscar.
It's all about cojones. Right.

Discussion-style was a little bit overdone, compared to normal "southern people" discussions/conversations, so do less coke next time.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I rather listen to Manzano and other confesed dopers about the effects doping had on their performance. They are much more likely to be telling the truth. And that is supported by scientific studies.

Doping does help so much that if you beat the dopers you are doping.

Would you listen to Philippe Gaumont, one of said confessed dopers?

He stated that only two riders on Cofidis when he was there were clean - Janek Tombak and David Moncoutié.

 

[Albatros]

The example Libertine gave though was a stage of the Vuelta.

Not the entire race but just the stgae.

A stage is far more possible for a clean rider to win because often, the top guys are more than willing to mark eachother, or save themselves for another day.

While Moncoutie was a hero that day, as he has been for many years, had the top guys decided they wanted the stage, chances are he would not have won it.

I think your comment would find more sympathy, if you specify that you are talking about major races where the top guys want to win, which perhaps you meant and Libertine was taking the Liberty by mentioning a stage winner.

I even doubt that a clean rider can win a stage without doping, considering that doping is so widespread. The top guys may be marking each other, but there are plenty of non top guys who are also doped (nobody dopes individually) and finished behind this bloke.

How in the first place did he manage to stay in the race during 10 stages competing with those ambulant farmacies?

Again, how a clean rider can beat a doper. Either they are genetic superfreaks or they are at it too.

I go with the most likely explanation.

 

[hrotha]

I even doubt that a clean rider can win a stage without doping, considering that doping is so widespread. The top guys may be marking each other, but there are plenty of non top guys who are also doped (nobody dopes individually) and finished behind this bloke.

How in the first place did he manage to stay in the race during 10 stages competing with those ambulant farmacies?

Again, how a clean rider can beat a doper. Either they are genetic superfreaks or they are at it too.

I go with the most likely explanation.

It seems to me you're stuck in pre-Festina days. Anyway, you might find that other thread on Moncoutié interesting.

edit: Do you believe Bassons was clean? He got some pro victories around the Festina days.

 

[DirtyWorks]

... He's pointing out the hypocrisy of the idiots sat around him..

Like a few others, this is what I took away from it. I applaud Mr. Pereiro for at least trying.

Those sports journalists don't care about drugs in football.

Doping as a topic is very resistant to change.

Reason #1
If your goal in life is to be a sports reporter, the reporter gets there because she played along with the federation and the teams discovering how rife with corruption the sports really are knowing full well there are 10 more sports media personalities out there to take your place. The choices are be a pariah in your own industry, or enjoy the job you worked so hard to get into.

Reason #2
Even if one or more media personalities inside the system covered the doping systems, they would get no end of insult heaped upon them for a long, long time because people don't want their favorable association with a sport to be diminished.. Case in point is the years long aggressive defense of the Armstrong myth by casual cycling fans. Yeah, we know there were paid trolls, but many more weren't.

Reason #3
Cycling is the mental waste bucket that sports fans put all of their doping stories into. The UCI earned it for decades of permissive, sometimes deadly doping. Once it's 'common knowledge' it's very hard to replace it with another sport. The buckets concept a common trait among humans. It is the basis of most Marketing science.

 

[Albatros]

It seems to me you're stuck in pre-Festina days. Anyway, you might find that other thread on Moncoutié interesting.

edit: Do you believe Bassons was clean? He got some pro victories around the Festina days.

PreFestina days?

Well, maybe now teams take more care of doing certain things as a team in order to avoid affaires like Festina, but looking at what happened in Operacion Puerto and the sheer number of dopers I would still call it a collective practice.

And I don't believe anyone who wins anything of relevance is clean. The odds are very much stacked against them.

Doping is too good.

 

[Le breton]

PreFestina days?

Well, maybe now teams take more care of doing certain things as a team in order to avoid affaires like Festina, but looking at what happened in Operacion Puerto and the sheer number of dopers I would still call it a collective practice.

And I don't believe anyone who wins anything of relevance is clean. The odds are very much stacked against them.

Doping is too good.

Why don't you just admit you don't know a damn thing about cycling; for heaven's sake, you hadn't even ever heard of Moncoutié before now!

You obviously don't know anything either about doping and its ups and downs through the last 25 years, being 14 isn't an excuse if you step in the discussion.
I can also safely assume that you don't know a thing about physiology and the effects of the various doping products taken in sport.

So, my suggestion for you would be to just shut up, stop making a fool of yourself and polluting this forum.

Maybe someday you'll have something intelligent to say.

PS : your ideas sure don't fly very well, maybe you should forget about calling yourself albatros.

 

[Albatros]

Why don't you just admit you don't know a damn thing about cycling; for heaven's sake, you hadn't even ever heard of Moncoutié before now!

You obviously don't know anything either about doping and its ups and downs through the last 25 years, being 14 isn't an excuse if you step in the discussion.
I can also safely assume that you don't know a thing about physiology and the effects of the various doping products taken in sport.

So, my suggestion for you would be to just shut up, stop making a fool of yourself and polluting this forum.

Maybe someday you'll have something intelligent to say.

PS : your ideas sure don't fly very well, maybe you should forget about calling yourself albatros.

You obviously haven't got a clue about what I know and what I don't know. Not only that, you are been very disrespectful.

And I don't wish I was 14 cause the past is the past, but you even would come up short if you twisted the numbers, little internet warrior.

Stick to what you know which it is not the effects of doping on cyclists.

 

[Cloxxki]

Pereiro tested positive during the 2006 Tour and was allowed to produce an after the fact TUE. His comments to the press when Landis was busted and when Landis told about Pereiro's use of artificial hemoglobin during 2006 make it clear that he was doping as well.

Taking into account Kloden's blood refill in Germany during the Tour, the entire podium of 2006 is known to have doped during that Tour. Depite that, Landis was the strongest and won on the road.

Pereiro bringing up other sports is the dope deflection policy that is currently in vogue amongst riders. They think that if they can point to something like football, it takes the heat off of cycling. It breaks down to, "No other sport is doing as much as cycling to fight doping so please forget that the top tens of our big events are peopled entirely by dopers."

I'm with BroDeal on this.

Just throwing actually popular sports stars in front of the train that's coming after him. He knew he was picking the most tested sport to be doping in.