Peter Sagan discussion thread.

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It seems to me that his form is clearly improving. Lets see tomorrow. If this is the case, he will have couple of chances, including sprint finish in Paris.
 
regarding the battle for green, this is where points can be taken by Bennet / Sagan:
https://www.cyclingnews.com/races/tour-de-france-2020/stage-12/preview/ same chance for the intermediate sprint, but a much better chance for Sagan to get points at the finish
https://www.cyclingnews.com/races/tour-de-france-2020/stage-14/preview/ same chance for the intermediate sprint, but a much better chance for Sagan to get points at the finish
https://www.cyclingnews.com/races/tour-de-france-2020/stage-15/preview/ same chance for the intermediate sprint, mountaintop finish on Grand Colombier so no points at the finish for both
https://www.cyclingnews.com/races/tour-de-france-2020/stage-16/preview/ better chance for Sagan for the intermediate, almost no chance for both at the finish (I expect a breakaway)
https://www.cyclingnews.com/races/tour-de-france-2020/stage-17/preview/ same chance for the intermediate sprint, mountaintop finish on Col de la loze so no points at the finish for both
https://www.cyclingnews.com/races/tour-de-france-2020/stage-18/preview/ There is a very odd little spike in the profile at the beginning, so I can't judge the intermediate. Rest of the stage seems to hard for both
https://www.cyclingnews.com/races/tour-de-france-2020/stage-19/preview/ An excellent stage for Sagan to get maximum points if he is good enough, as this stage will be hard for Bennett, already for getting points at the intermediate.

stage 19 = TT, stage 20 = same chance for both in the intermediate and on the Champs elysees after such a hard final week, it seems.

Before this stage, I would have said Sagan had still the best chance of winning. Now it seems it will be a lost battle, but it could make for some very exciting stages by team Bora.
 
regarding the battle for green, this is where points can be taken by Bennet / Sagan:
https://www.cyclingnews.com/races/tour-de-france-2020/stage-12/preview/ same chance for the intermediate sprint, but a much better chance for Sagan to get points at the finish
https://www.cyclingnews.com/races/tour-de-france-2020/stage-14/preview/ same chance for the intermediate sprint, but a much better chance for Sagan to get points at the finish
https://www.cyclingnews.com/races/tour-de-france-2020/stage-15/preview/ same chance for the intermediate sprint, mountaintop finish on Grand Colombier so no points at the finish for both
https://www.cyclingnews.com/races/tour-de-france-2020/stage-16/preview/ better chance for Sagan for the intermediate, almost no chance for both at the finish (I expect a breakaway)
https://www.cyclingnews.com/races/tour-de-france-2020/stage-17/preview/ same chance for the intermediate sprint, mountaintop finish on Col de la loze so no points at the finish for both
https://www.cyclingnews.com/races/tour-de-france-2020/stage-18/preview/ There is a very odd little spike in the profile at the beginning, so I can't judge the intermediate. Rest of the stage seems to hard for both
https://www.cyclingnews.com/races/tour-de-france-2020/stage-19/preview/ An excellent stage for Sagan to get maximum points if he is good enough, as this stage will be hard for Bennett, already for getting points at the intermediate.

stage 19 = TT, stage 20 = same chance for both in the intermediate and on the Champs elysees after such a hard final week, it seems.

Before this stage, I would have said Sagan had still the best chance of winning. Now it seems it will be a lost battle, but it could make for some very exciting stages by team Bora.
interesting overview. Tomorrow it may be in Bora’s interests to police the break and stop a group of 12 heading off into the distance? It doesn’t seem possible for him to get away from DQS on the early terrain before the intermediate so they will want to keep the stage in play.
 
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Yeah, I'm waving the white flag for Sagan for green now. An amazing rider but disappointed he swore are van Aert after he was approached, it could have been a horror show at the finish with Sagan's manoeuvre.

In terms of his decline using this TdF as evidence only it does seem he has lost more with his climbing than with outright speed. He hasn't really ever been a dominant sprinter and is reliant on markedly uphill finishes and reduced bunch sprints (both of which haven't been common this TdF). He averages 1.5 stage victories per TdF, and might not be far off that come the end of the race.
 
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The fact that Sagan had the nerve to talk smack at Van Aert after what he did shows all you need to know about his character right now.
I think it's highly ironic, that when Sagan got booted from the Tour, everyone went apesh!t, and wanted him thrown out of cycling, because "courageous" Cavendish tried to push through an even smaller gap, and pushed Sagan in the process, who people said "didn't leave enough room for Cavendish and created a dangerous situation".

However when Sagan tries to push though a gap that is noticeably bigger, and pushes Van Aert in the process, he is suddenly "dirty" Sagan who should be thrown out of the race.

:rolleyes:
 
I think it's highly ironic, that when Sagan got booted from the Tour, everyone went apesh!t, and wanted him thrown out of cycling, because "courageous" Cavendish tried to push through an even smaller gap, and pushed Sagan in the process, who people said "didn't leave enough room for Cavendish and created a dangerous situation".

However when Sagan tries to push though a gap that is noticeably bigger, and pushes Van Aert in the process, he is suddenly "dirty" Sagan who should be thrown out of the race.

:rolleyes:
Everyone? I think you got that wrong. There was widespread consensus that Sagan should definitely not have been disqualified back then, maybe not even relegated.
 
Sagan‘s best chance of winning a stage is to attack, which is also what he has to do to have any hope of Green
Yup. If he wants green, he has to win stages. There aren't many avenues to that left, but he has to find them.

First off would be getting maximum points from the bonus sprint tomorrow, and then making sure there's a 40-50 rider bunch arriving in Sarran with no more than a 3 or 4-man break up the road. There's no way Bennett will finish with the bunch after a cat 3 and cat 2 in the final 40km, but Bora have to maximise the amount of points available from the bunch sprint at the end. Or get Sagan into the break himself.

Then win the sprint (with no Bennett present) in the Puy Mary stage on Friday.

Then drop Bennett out of the points on the Lyon stage.

There's a lot of potential points to make up on Bennett there, but it'll take a lot of work, where Bennett will be sitting in grupettos, and other Quickstep riders like Jungels and Alaphilippe will be trying to disrupt any Bora plans as best they can (launch small groups off ahead of Sagan, tie Sagan up in sprints, etc).
 
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I think it's highly ironic, that when Sagan got booted from the Tour, everyone went apesh!t, and wanted him thrown out of cycling, because "courageous" Cavendish tried to push through an even smaller gap, and pushed Sagan in the process, who people said "didn't leave enough room for Cavendish and created a dangerous situation".

However when Sagan tries to push though a gap that is noticeably bigger, and pushes Van Aert in the process, he is suddenly "dirty" Sagan who should be thrown out of the race.

:rolleyes:
Yeah becuase when you almost make someone crash you get in their face about it. Normal behavior
 
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Are you surprised by elite athletes being high strung, in high-adrenaline situations?

And no, there is nothing "normal" about it, since it is an abnormal situation.
Im mostly on the other side of today’s discussion from you, but on this part I’m in complete agreement. i dont think many sprinters who had just been in a four way photo finish and had just been involved in some high speed shoving would react calmly and appropriately to being confronted and sworn at in that moment. Regardless of whether they deserved it.
 
Sam Bennett said:
Bennett was cautious when asked to pass judgement on the events involving between Peter Sagan (Bora-hansgrohe) and Wout Van Aert (Jumbo-Visma) in the finale of stage 11, saying he would have to see on TV first before making a definitive statement.

But he did point out that “A big part of sprinting is bumping shoulders and rubbing shoulders,” before adding, jokingly, "I really don’t know what happened but since when did sprinting get soft?”
lol
 
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The fact that Sagan had the nerve to talk smack at Van Aert after what he did shows all you need to know about his character right now.
I think anything any rider says immediately after a hotly contested finish should be taken with a grain of salt. Sagan's perspective is likely that WVA was closing him at the barriers. To those that want to right off Sagan's speed IMO he has be getting faster.
Do I agree with the move? No. As noted by other riders in the mix a crash at that point could have hurt many guys. Sagan paid a heavy price for the move and should get on with the rest of the Tour.
 
. . .But it was certainly right decision . . .
Right decision for someone who has never mixed it up in a sprint before. Sagan did everything by the book. He had a lane, WVA moved into it, he used his shoulder and forehead to push WVA back into his lane, never took his hands off the bars, and regained his lane to compete for the sprint. It was aggressive, but he simply did what he needed to keep his lane and not get pushed in the barriers. Total BS relegation, but it’s the best option to prevent Sagan from getting his 8th green.
 
I think it's highly ironic, that when Sagan got booted from the Tour, everyone went apesh!t, and wanted him thrown out of cycling, because "courageous" Cavendish tried to push through an even smaller gap, and pushed Sagan in the process, who people said "didn't leave enough room for Cavendish and created a dangerous situation".

However when Sagan tries to push though a gap that is noticeably bigger, and pushes Van Aert in the process, he is suddenly "dirty" Sagan who should be thrown out of the race.

:rolleyes:
I don't recall anyone other than teeth-gnashing Manx sprinter lovers expecting Sagan to be thrown out. The reality is Cav dove for the barriers which is always a suicide in the making. Sagan knows what can happen and shouldn't have been willing to push WVA for the few points he'd gain. I'm saying this fully aware that the participants are head down, out of the saddle at 65km with pulse rates near an aneurism. WVA was equally at risk and blame but he didn't "initiate" the contact. This activity went on for the last Km of the race. Everyone is bumped and bumping but usually not into the barriers which don't allow anyone a bailout. I said in the earlier response that I didn't agree with the move; not because I thought Sagan had done something illegal. He did something that wasn't going to pay off and should know better, particularly with one of his fellow sprinters still getting his face re-built.
You want to see questionable bike movement watch Cav and Calebs rear wheel. It's traveling all over and it's purposeful. Also not illegal.
 

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