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I just spit a little coffee! :lol: I remember CAS making a 24 hour decision for an Oly athlete though so they can do it...they just usually don't.RedheadDane said:LaFlorecita said:Yes. Bora filed for a quick trial. They even expected/hoped to get a reply before yesterday's start.RedheadDane said:LaFlorecita said:This is stupid. They want Sagan to be allowed back into the race? That's just not possible - sorry.
But I'm afraid CAS won't realize this and will put ASO in an impossible situation.
You're expecting CAS to reach a decision in this before the Tour finishes?
I think by CAS standards a "quick trial" means "some times before the end of this year."
LaFlorecita said:This is stupid. They want Sagan to be allowed back into the race? That's just not possible - sorry.
But I'm afraid CAS won't realize this and will put ASO in an impossible situation.
The case with CAS was lodged before the start of Stage 5 with a request for an emergency injuction. Unfortunately it was not heard out in time.sir fly said:It's just a way for them to be present at today's stage.
Absurd appeal.
What a shame. I expected they request ASO to repeat yesterday's stage.Pricey_sky said:Reports on twitter that CAS have rejected Sagans appeal.
DanielSong39 said:Moral of the story, don't throw your elbow at another rider (even if it misses).
Not good.Lausanne, 6 July 2017 – The Court of Arbitration of Sport (CAS) issued a decision rejecting an urgent request for provisional measures filed by the Slovak cyclist Peter Sagan and the Denk Pro Cycling team in the afternoon of 5 July 2017. The rider and team appealed the exclusion of the rider by the UCI Commissaires Panel on 4 July 2017 following an incident during the sprint phase at the end of the 4th stage of the 2017 Tour de France (Mondorf-les-Bains to Vittel).
Sagan is reinstated, but he has to ride the whole routes of all the stages he has missed, solo, within the time limit, before Tuesday's stage after the rest day on Monday. If he catches up before then, (is if he gets to Station Les Rousses by Saturday evening) he can rejoin the start line sooner.RedheadDane said:LaFlorecita said:No, really. That's not the case. I know we've mainly seen very long, drawn out CAS cases in cycling but they can deliver a quick decision in urgent cases and upon request.RedheadDane said:I think by CAS standards a "quick trial" means "some times before the end of this year."
In this case it's so urgent CAS would need to invent time-travelling.
Why the jury is wrong on Sagan’s DSQ
Read more at http://www.velonews.com/2017/07/commentary/jury-wrong-sagans-dsq_442744#J0h0lh2zExr2mz38.99
deValtos said:I would suggest that the jury and UCI need to offer an apology to Sagan & Bora due to the impact their mistake has made.
Dream on... Can't afford to admit thy've been fooled by their sponsors.deValtos said:I would suggest that the jury and UCI need to offer an apology to Sagan & Bora due to the impact their mistake has made.
Did you really expect Sagan to compete at the level of Kittel in those flat days?Martin said:Dream on... Can't afford to admit thy've been fooled by their sponsors.deValtos said:I would suggest that the jury and UCI need to offer an apology to Sagan & Bora due to the impact their mistake has made.
But they dont have to. Each day as the Tour will continue, they'll smash their heads against the wall because sprints will be always the same and at the end at Champs Elysees it will be cler to everybody how incompetent and corrupted the jury is. But is that enough punishment?
SKSemtex said:The more I know Sagan (not personally) the more I appreciate him and I again realize how stupid, selfish and egocentric I am.
He Just stopped all this madness with one single twitter to Marc.
I would be angry, bitterish, offended and it would take some time till I start to talk to Cav again.
I would state that I won't come to Tour anymore (I know it is not my decision but teams one who pays the millions ) and other similar ****** and for two more weeks, I would feed this unti DQ madness.
Thanks GOD he is so different than the most people I know. He never whines, complains (without reason) always great to his teammates.
He is much more mature that I will ever be.
Probably I am mistaken but even Libertine probably finally admitted that he is not such a monster as he thought he was. You do not have to like him but you can respect him.
Alexandre B. said:Did you really expect Sagan to compete at the level of Kittel in those flat days?Martin said:Dream on... Can't afford to admit thy've been fooled by their sponsors.deValtos said:I would suggest that the jury and UCI need to offer an apology to Sagan & Bora due to the impact their mistake has made.
But they dont have to. Each day as the Tour will continue, they'll smash their heads against the wall because sprints will be always the same and at the end at Champs Elysees it will be cler to everybody how incompetent and corrupted the jury is. But is that enough punishment?
His personality didn't come into it on this occasion. I was saying there's a strong case against his DQ, but also pointing out that the attempts by fans to absolve him of responsibility are ridiculous; that it's fine to say the penalty was too harsh, but not to pretend he was blameless; and some of the things about how ASO or UCI owe Bora an apology, or even sillier, money (he could just as easily have crashed out the next day, how do you quantify it?), and arguments presented as if, seeing as Sagan has been punished, the obvious conclusion is that cycling is to blame, authorities, conspiracies, Cavendish or in fact anybody but Sagan, are absurd and many such posts have been no less childish than my Richmond outburst against him.SKSemtex said:Probably I am mistaken but even Libertine probably finally admitted that he is not such a monster as he thought he was. You do not have to like him but you can respect him.
Libertine Seguros said:His personality didn't come into it on this occasion. I was saying there's a strong case against his DQ, but also pointing out that the attempts by fans to absolve him of responsibility are ridiculous; that it's fine to say the penalty was too harsh, but not to pretend he was blameless; and some of the things about how ASO or UCI owe Bora an apology, or even sillier, money (he could just as easily have crashed out the next day, how do you quantify it?), and arguments presented as if, seeing as Sagan has been punished, the obvious conclusion is that cycling is to blame, authorities, conspiracies, Cavendish or in fact anybody but Sagan, are absurd and many such posts have been no less childish than my Richmond outburst against him.SKSemtex said:Probably I am mistaken but even Libertine probably finally admitted that he is not such a monster as he thought he was. You do not have to like him but you can respect him.
I would say the same, had it been not for the context:RedheadDane said:Yeah... it's not a matter between:
1: Totally innocent.
2: Disqualification completely fair.
He did play a role in that crash, but maybe the disqualification was overreacting a bit; the original punishment was fine. The time-deduction was maybe a bit pointless, though... sure, he was in top-10 - I think also without the time-bonuses he "lost" by not getting them by not actually getting the position he got in the sprint (did that make sense?) - but, let's be realistic here, would he still have been in top-10 after stage 5 anyway?
However, the attempt to get him back into the race + the fans going the race is ruuuuuuuuuuiiiiiiiiiiiiiined without Sagan! were/are ridiculous. Whether or not it was fair that he got disqualified, it's too late to change now, the Tour goes on.