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King Boonen said:But the support the good sprinters get is generally worse than they get on their trade teams.Gigs_98 said:Indeed, trade teams are not equal to national teams but that doesn't really change anything imo. After all the support he got at the WC's was without a doubt not better than the support of the other good sprintersKing Boonen said:Gigs_98 said:Sagan's sprint is massively underrated. The last two times he participated in a bunch sprint at the end of a really big one day race he won the world championship. Considering his record in reduced sprints after big efforts I think he is more likely to win if he rides passively.
National teams are not equal to trade teams, squad sizes are different etc. etc. While he's obviously good, there are a good few you would put above him in that situation.
tomorrow said:King Boonen said:But the support the good sprinters get is generally worse than they get on their trade teams.Gigs_98 said:Indeed, trade teams are not equal to national teams but that doesn't really change anything imo. After all the support he got at the WC's was without a doubt not better than the support of the other good sprintersKing Boonen said:Gigs_98 said:Sagan's sprint is massively underrated. The last two times he participated in a bunch sprint at the end of a really big one day race he won the world championship. Considering his record in reduced sprints after big efforts I think he is more likely to win if he rides passively.
National teams are not equal to trade teams, squad sizes are different etc. etc. While he's obviously good, there are a good few you would put above him in that situation.
yup, and also Sagan doesn't have Oss type domestic in his national squad either. With Oss now in Bora, if he's in any shape near last years, Sagan should reevaluate at every race he races. E.g. in MSR, Bora should place hell pace on cipressa and bottom of poggio, they do have the power, and Sagan should wait for the sprint with Oss covering the attack, or even better, Oss should attack himself. Sagan then should just cover every counter attack and he's in last year scenario with a team mate in the front group. Oss. e.g. can also be crucial if somebody daring enough will attack on cipressa and will hold to the top of the poggio, because nobody will help Bora in bringing back such attacks.
SKSemtex said:tomorrow said:King Boonen said:Gigs_98 said:King Boonen said:You are talking like you can get minutes on sprinters on Cipresa and Pogio. They can get few seconds on assumption Sagan (Kwiatko, Alaphillipe, Moscon...Gilbert) will go all in. Nobody from the group who can hold his wheel will bring him free to the finish and no way Oss can be in that group. He cannot sit a control.
As somebody said before, the wind on Pogio will be the most decisive factor.
Keep telling yourself that. Its really the go-to argument for Sagan fans and pretty annoying in the long run. Will be interesting when they finally square off again.KGB said:Sagan got phone call from GVA how much he missed his wheel today.
Valv.Piti said:Keep telling yourself that. Its really the go-to argument for Sagan fans and pretty annoying in the long run. Will be interesting when they finally square off again.KGB said:Sagan got phone call from GVA how much he missed his wheel today.
He has plenty of time. I think he looked decently strong today - you also need to consider he attacked before the Muur. Had he not, he would have looked better there.SKSemtex said:He was out of the saddle way too early today on the Muur. Unless he find some magical form next month he has no chance on Paterberg when Sagan launch his attack.
Valv.Piti said:He has plenty of time. I think he looked decently strong today - you also need to consider he attacked before the Muur. Had he not, he would have looked better there.SKSemtex said:He was out of the saddle way too early today on the Muur. Unless he find some magical form next month he has no chance on Paterberg when Sagan launch his attack.
toby: Sure, Sagan's presence may have altered the race. But KGBs comment was more focused on pointing out just how big of a wheel sucker GVA is when racing Sagan. Which isn't true IMO.
You've been repeating the same line all over the place. We all agree that Sagan is the strongest rider in the world at present. He is a once in a lifetime kind of cyclist so it's only natural everyone would gravitate towards His wheel when the going gets tough.KGB said:Sagan got phone call from GVA how much he missed his wheel today.
Everyone follow Sagans wheel even GVA boy. If that wheel is not in the race and all boys follow GVA well then he will not win many races.Cancellara was only one.GVA needs Sagan more then his BMC teammates.Valv.Piti said:Keep telling yourself that. Its really the go-to argument for Sagan fans and pretty annoying in the long run. Will be interesting when they finally square off again.KGB said:Sagan got phone call from GVA how much he missed his wheel today.
If Sagan will have the same form as had last year not chance GVA could follow.He just love to show off how strong he is and vast so much energy but you don't want to see in finish line only:Sagan,Sagan,SaganSKSemtex said:He was out of the saddle way too early today on the Muur. Unless he find some magical form next month he has no chance on Paterberg when Sagan launch his attack.
KGB said:Everyone follow Sagans wheel even GVA boy. If that wheel is not in the race and all boys follow GVA well then he will not win many races.Cancellara was only one.GVA needs Sagan more then his BMC teammates.Valv.Piti said:Keep telling yourself that. Its really the go-to argument for Sagan fans and pretty annoying in the long run. Will be interesting when they finally square off again.KGB said:Sagan got phone call from GVA how much he missed his wheel today.
By far the two biggest wins in GVA's career came when Sagan either got dropped early on (Roubaix) or didn't even enter because he was doing a marketing stunt instead (Olympics). So the theory doesn't hold up.KGB said:Everyone follow Sagans wheel even GVA boy. If that wheel is not in the race and all boys follow GVA well then he will not win many races.Cancellara was only one.GVA needs Sagan more then his BMC teammates.Valv.Piti said:Keep telling yourself that. Its really the go-to argument for Sagan fans and pretty annoying in the long run. Will be interesting when they finally square off again.KGB said:Sagan got phone call from GVA how much he missed his wheel today.
I guess he had bad legs.Netserk said:How on earth was Sagan dropped "early on" in Roubaix???
little bit stronger was Oss.Netserk said:Really, of all of your most moronic statements, that one takes the cake. Sagan was probably the strongest rider in the race, having dropped Greg several times, and was only passed by him in the end because of a mechanical, which ended his race.
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