Phil Liggert claims Federal investigators paid people to lie about Armstrong

[BotanyBay]

“I believe these ten witnesses, who have all admitted apparently to seeing Lance take drugs or selling drugs or passing them on, and they themselves taking drugs…the reason they are witnesses is that they have either been paid or they have been given a deal that they will never be touched as far as suspensions go,”

Damn, I hate it when liggett has an actual good point...

So, WILL there be some suspensions handed down among the 10+ riders who offered to be USADA witnesses? If none are to come, then USADA pretty much makes Liggett's case.

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...tion-witnesses-were-bribed.aspx#ixzz254TkqAqu

 

[Anonymous]

So Phil has inside information about someone that was asked by an agency to lie about armstrong, and get paid for it. Seems just as credible as the unseen evidence that has all of these people saying that they saw LA doing stuff. At least Phil came out with it.

No evidence of the USADA has even been seen by anyone,(esp. on this little messge board), but the USADA. The "Evidence" thread is a joke, just journalist opinions..thats not evidence.

Gah how soon I hope this comes to an end. When he is stripped of his Tour wins for real, then you goofs will have nothing to debate. The longer the UCI lets this hang its worse for everyone. At least the USADA was quick, and did their job, and got to a final decision.

Carry on for another 8000 threads and posts please!!

Gosh. All you have to do is not read nor respond.

It's hard, I know.

 

[slowspoke]

Have not given myself the opportunity to listen to the broadcast until now.

I believe Phil thought this was only going to be a local chat in provincial South Africa and not be pod cast outside of South Africa or at all.

He speaks in Rands (local SA currency) and states about the alleged corruption incident "And I could prove it in SA (meaning South Africa)."

He is inventing the story as he goes along as he creates very different recent dates about the corruption disclosure.

He firstly refers to the person who worked with LA conversing with him on "Saturday" (ie 25 August - stage finished in Boulder) and then later refers to that communication as "last Thursday" (ie 23 August - Aspen to Beaver Creek stage).

Extremely damaging to the LA strategy of attempting to win in the court of public opinion when the "voice of cycling" is caught out fabricating to support his pal LA.

Its not the first time he has been on this show. Time before he was defending Lance as well. BTW the is no such thing as "local" radio anymore!

 

[DominicDecoco]

Regarding that letter and Ashenden's explanations about the useless tests.. Just out of curiosity and it has probably been discussed many times. But is blood from Armstrong still stored from some of his tests from back then? I mean, surely technology will catch up with him anyway then, eh?..

 

[Darryl Webster]

Bloody great open letter from Ashenden . Nails every relevant point and exposes the liger Liggett for the complicit crook he is.

Is it to much to hope this finishes Liggett,s commentary days of?..him and his ilk are every bit as much a part of the doping issue as the rides omarta .

 

[usedtobefast]

Gosh. All you have to do is not read nor respond.

It's hard, I know.

this thread is just an echo chamber, that much i read.

i read every post btw.

as was stated. no one has seen the evidence yet

 

[Velodude]

Its not the first time he has been on this show. Time before he was defending Lance as well. BTW the is no such thing as "local" radio anymore!

Someone should have given PL a heads up on podcasts being internet accessible before he agreed to the broadcast. I am certain if he knew the statements would have been more subdued without him bringing in absurd "news flashes".

Remember, Phil would be of a generation that has difficulty coming to grips with modern everyday technology.

Also, when Phil refers to "home" it is South Africa.

 

[luckyboy]

So, WILL there be some suspensions handed down among the 10+ riders who offered to be USADA witnesses? If none are to come, then USADA pretty much makes Liggett's case.

We don't know what will happen yet but six months has been the rumoured amount. The longest sentences any of the witnesses can anyway get is two years so providing evidence = reduced sentences, as we have seen numerous times before.

So Phil has inside information about someone that was asked by an agency to lie about armstrong, and get paid for it. Seems just as credible as the unseen evidence that has all of these people saying that they saw LA doing stuff. At least Phil came out with it.

No evidence of the USADA has even been seen by anyone,(esp. on this little messge board), but the USADA. The "Evidence" thread is a joke, just journalist opinions..thats not evidence.

USADA hasn't yet released the evidence because cases for which a lot of the same evidence will be used have yet to go to arbitration.

Evidence by credible witnesses who were known to be involved with the conspiracy is not the same as some guy telling a known long-time friend and associate of Lance that he was asked for evidence in exchange for money.

 

[thehog]

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/08/news/usada-responds-to-liggetts-armstrong-comments_237006

 

[happytramp]

I wonder... Do you think Phil honestly believes Lance is as clean as a whistle or is he just toeing the party line?

 

[mewmewmew13]

phil is about to drink a glass of shut the hell up......this is going to be fun

does he have receipt for that latte?

lmao!!!!

 

[BroDeal]

I want to let these mysterious investigators out there with piles of cash know that I am willing to sell out Lance. My price is cheap. One Pegoretti Responsorium frame, ciavete paint job. I promise to deliver the goodz. You canz trust me.

Looking forward to my new frame. C'ya.

P.S. Throw in Campy EPS and I can provide several totally not Photoshopped pictures that will prove the case.

 

[KingsMountain]

We don't know what will happen yet but six months has been the rumoured amount. The longest sentences any of the witnesses can anyway get is two years so providing evidence = reduced sentences, as we have seen numerous times before.

Seems to me that, in principle, the longest sentence one of the witnesses could receive is the same as Armstrong received. Not that we should expect that, however.

 

[The Hitch]

lol at ligget saying Ullrich believes in Armstrong. lolololololol.

After saying that ullrich is not credible in the first place.

 

[The Hitch]

who is the idiot who did the interview?

 

[Racelap]

That tired old dog is still barking at the moon?

 

[131313]

Seems to me that, in principle, the longest sentence one of the witnesses could receive is the same as Armstrong received. Not that we should expect that, however.

why? Since the beginning of recorded time and common law, consideration has generally been given to those who testify truthfully versus those who don't. Are you seriously suggesting that we simply ignore all of recorded history on behalf of Lance Armstrong?

 

[MarkvW]

why? Since the beginning of recorded time and common law, consideration has generally been given to those who testify truthfully versus those who don't. Are you seriously suggesting that we simply ignore all of recorded history on behalf of Lance Armstrong?

Kings Mountain wrote something goofy. He said that the highest penalty that anyone could receive was the penalty Armstrong received. Since Armstrong received a lifetime ban, nobody could logically receive a higher penalty under any circumstances.

I don't understand what you were criticizing.

 

[131313]

Kings Mountain wrote something goofy. He said that the highest penalty that anyone could receive was the penalty Armstrong received. Since Armstrong received a lifetime ban, nobody could logically receive a higher penalty under any circumstances.

I don't understand what you were criticizing.

Gotcha...I read that that incorrectly (as in, it should be expected that the witnesses should received that same penalty). My bad.

 

[Microchip]

http://www.ballz.co.za/sport/ballz-...bout-lance-armstrong-being-stripped-of-ti/649

Looks like Hein isn't the only person Armstrong "owns."

 

[thehog]

Looks like Hein isn't the only person Armstrong "owns."

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/usa...&ns_source=cyclingnews&ns_linkname=0&ns_fee=0



CyclingNews shoots and scores!

 

[Microchip]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/usa...&ns_source=cyclingnews&ns_linkname=0&ns_fee=0

CyclingNews shoots and scores!

I found that Liggett sounded desperate. If that's a correct conclusion, I can see why - the CN article noted that he has business interests with Lance. He must be pacing the floor every single night worrying to death about what's going to happen.

 

[D-Queued]

Maybe when the dust settles, folks will look back at how stupid Lance's supporters were and this will only serve to help convince folks of the outright conspiracy.

Ligget's bitumen has melted.

Dave.

 

[Fowsto Cope-E]

I love it how Phil first calls the USADA investigation to not be credible because the evidence has already been dismissed by the Feds and then calls the Federal investigation crooked...

 

[wirral]

What a shame.

The great commentator who turned hundreds of thousands of people onto cycling with his presenting in the eighties becomes a whacko, alky geriatric totally owned by the Armstrong-Livestrong pseudo-religious business nexus.

A common tragedy in sport is the fading star who does not know when to call it a day. That includes commentators.