Playing God: Eufemiano Fuentes

[Race Radio]

http://veloclinic.tumblr.com/post/43499401240/synacthen-aint-yer-carmichael-era-extract-of-cortisone

Why was Siaz allowed to have Synacthen?

Disturbing

 

[sniper]

Why was Siaz allowed to have Synacthen?

I'm assuming he wasn't, but that somebody is being paid a lot of pesetas to tell the judge that he was.

if he really was allowed, yes, that'd be quite disturbing.
If the former sub-director of the Spanish govenments’s Medicine and Health Products Agency is lying for Saiz, it's similarly disturbing.

 

[ElChingon]

http://veloclinic.tumblr.com/post/43499401240/synacthen-aint-yer-carmichael-era-extract-of-cortisone

Why was Siaz allowed to have Synacthen?

Disturbing

He's a director of Spanish professional cycling team, don't they all get to carry it

Thinking about a backdated saddle sore cream at present.

 

[D-Queued]

Let me see if I have all of this.

Hamilton comes clean. Again. No surprises.

Clentador and Basso are tranquil. Again. No surprises.

Match fixing and Organized Crime are making all the headlines in Football. Nothing implicated in OP. Again. No surprises.

Tennis isn't even returning a soft lob. Again. No surprises.

Looks like Fuentes will get a wrist slap. Cycling will have further proof of organized doping. No other sport will be tarnished.

Again.

No surprises.

Dave.

 

[jamiephillips]

Impossible for Contador to testify. To say that he never saw any doping going on with Saiz, especially with their special relationship would surely be perjury?

 

[JimmyFingers]

Dertie gets away again

Bears repeating

 

[Duartista]

Vicioso has been found: http://www.heraldo.es/noticias/deportes/mas_deportes/2013/02/19/angel_vicioso_223305_1101034.html

Doesn't seem to have been that difficult...

 

[ElChingon]

Vicioso has been found: http://www.heraldo.es/noticias/deportes/mas_deportes/2013/02/19/angel_vicioso_223305_1101034.html

Doesn't seem to have been that difficult...

Says, "no one has notified me nothing", on the matter and has been in his new home in Andorra for two months now. Besides, he has conveniently not read any Spanish sporting news this month either. Humm... I mean he's under the UCI rider tracking system so they must of known, right? Yet, the Spanish police could not find him.

Smells like another rider pulling a Rasmussen.

 

[hrotha]

Says, "no one has notified me nothing", on the matter and has been in his new home in Andorra for two months now. Besides, he has conveniently not read any Spanish sporting news this month either. Humm... I mean he's under the UCI rider tracking system so they must of known, right? Yet, the Spanish police could not find him.

Smells like another rider pulling a Rasmussen.

Uh, what? Where does he say he hadn't read the news? He explicitly says he knew he's supposed to testify on the 22nd, but he hasn't received an official citation, and you don't just go hang out at a court just in case they need you.

The Spanish police didn't ask the UCI.

 

[ElChingon]

Uh, what? Where does he say he hadn't read the news? He explicitly says he knew he's supposed to testify on the 22nd, but he hasn't received an official citation, and you don't just go hang out at a court just in case they need you.

The Spanish police didn't ask the UCI.

Well if he's a pro cyclist one would imagine he'd be interested in a court case directly involving him and know that they're writing in the news about him as if he's MIA.

This part:

&#8220] Este miércoles trataré de ponerme en contacto con la juez para que me explique la situación y resuelva qué es lo que tengo que hacer”

Clearly reads that he has not been notified of anything.

I took liberty to imply the Rasmussen angle but again if he's directly involved as he knows it would be in his best interest to know what's happening unless he's been scripted what to say already .

 

[hrotha]

He means he wasn't officially notified. Of course he knew about having to testify - he got a postponement with a medical certificate due to lumbago, remember?

 

[ElChingon]

He means he wasn't officially notified. Of course he knew about having to testify - he got a postponement with a medical certificate due to lumbago, remember?

I remember, that's why his seemingly lack of knowledge of anything to come seems a bit off. Had he even opened up the newspaper he'd of known what was up, don't you think?

 

[hrotha]

I remember, that's why his seemingly lack of knowledge of anything to come seems a bit off. Had he even opened up the newspaper he'd of known what was up, don't you think?

He knew he's supposed to testify on the 22nd, but he never got an official notification. The story about his being missing only popped up out of nowhere today.

 

[DirtyWorks]

I've skipped days of this thread, so maybe it was posted already, Captain Bag has another interesting tidbit from the trial:

According to Spanish newspaper El Mundo, Maria de los Angeles Dal-Re, a former sub-director of the Spanish govenments’s Medicine and Health Products Agency, said that she authorized the use of a number of medical products by Liberty Seguros in March 2006, incuding the corticoid Synacthen - not for sale in Spain - which Saiz was carrying when he was arrested. She also said he was authorized to take it with him to the Tour de France.

http://veloclinic.tumblr.com/page/2


Did/Does the Spanish Federal government support dopers???

 

[airstream]

So you think he will risk it in order to win the Tour?

Does he have a choice? Riis found the sponsor not that his guy would finish outside of the podium. What do you think on that?

 

[sniper]

I've skipped days of this thread, so maybe it was posted already, ...

if you click one page back

 

[rata de sentina]

Did/Does the Spanish Federal government support dopers???

I presume this is a rhetorical question.

It is absolutely mind boggling that Saiz had approval to have Synacthen. Even just on medical grounds irrespective of any doping implications. I have no expectation that anything will come of this, but it should, this Medicine and Health Products Agency person has some serious questions to answer. It has red flags all over it, but my expectation is that an under carpet sweeping exercise is on the way.

 

[GJB123]

waiting for GBJ123 to explain this away as harmless, empty threats.
no reason whatsoever to assume anybody involved in puerto is going to get hurt in anyway.

If Fuentes indeed received death threats that proves exactly that. I never stated it was unlikely per say but it doesn't even begin to make a case that that a 52-year old dying of a heart attack really died of more nefarious causes. Which is exactly what you implied. You implied the 52-year old male must have have been killed and that the same applies to Xavier Tondo and that the Fuentes's aid was not suffering from Alzheimer's disease.

All I did was apply Occam's razor and then the most logical explanation is still that a 52-year old male dying of a heart attack is hardly unheard off (rather the opposite really).

 

[sniper]

If Fuentes indeed received death threats that proves exactly that. I never stated it was unlikely per say but it doesn't even begin to make a case that that a 52-year old dying of a heart attack really died of more nefarious causes.

All I did was apply Occam's razor and then the most logical explanation is still that a 52-year old male dying of a heart attack is hardly unheard off (rather the opposite really).

fair enough.

You implied the 52-rear old male must have have been killed and that the same applies to Xavier Tondo and that the Fuentes's aid was not suffering from Alzheimer's disease.

You still seem to be in the dark as to how speculations differ from assumptions and claims. I never assumed or claimed anything wrt any of those guys. (If you continue to say I did, please provide some links.) What I did is speculate. We're just having a small chat in the Sky thread about the value of speculation. Check it out.

btw, I don't recall "implying", assuming, or claiming anything wrt Tondo.
I did encourage discussion of the circumstances under which he died. I would again encourage it.

 

[GJB123]

As I said before and I will say it again. As far as I am concerned you can speculate all you like, to your hart's content, whatever floats your boat. Just don't start crying "foul" when someone points out that your speculation is built on quick sand rather than solid facts.

Also you fail to comprehend the difference between the words imply on the one hand and assume and claim on the other hand. You indeed stopped short of claiming or assuming foul play, but only because you need plausible deniability. Your implication however were crystal clear for anyone taking the time to pay attention.

 

[del1962]

Tyler Hamilton Testifies

Blood transfusion done without Doctor present (only Albert Leon)

 

[sniper]

As I said before and I will say it again. As far as I am concerned you can speculate all you like, to your hart's content, whatever floats your boat. Just don't start crying "foul" when someone points out that your speculation is built on quick sand rather than solid facts.

The most interesting facts are:

- serious and multiple death threaths for Fuentes and his family.
- three witnesses with evidence cancelling testimony due to medical circumstances.
- one heart attack of a 52 year old doctor with potentially damning evidence, two days before he was supposed to testify.
- WADA reiterating that the importance of maffia-like structures in pro-sport is being seriously underestimated and is rapidly growing out of hand.

To me it seems quite clear (and I assume you won't object) that maffia-like structures are involved in the background of Puerto. The fact that three witnesses are not being called on the stand due to medical issues (two deaths, one altzheimer) is a suspicious coincidence. Whether the heartattack was not really a heartattack, but premeditated murder, is of course sheer speculation. But Sherlock Holmes built cases on lesser evidence.

Would you welcome the Spanish justice department to dismiss all this as quick sand, or would you encourage them to look into the circumstances under which each of the three witnesses cancelled testimony?

 

[hrotha]

- one heart attack of a 52 year old doctor with potentially damning evidence, two days before he was supposed to testify.

I already refuted this. His evidence was or is going to be presented to the judge anyway.

 

[sniper]

I already refuted this. His evidence was or is going to be presented to the judge anyway.

thanks, had missed that. any idea when that will be?

anyway, goes to show: if we don't speculate, we don't get all the facts on the table.

 

[GJB123]

thanks, had missed that. any idea when that will be?

anyway, goes to show: if we don't speculate, we don't get all the facts on the table.

Keep on speculating but don't start being a cry baby when someone points out that your speculation is ill-founded.