Angliru said:That is one ugly kit!![]()
‏ said:She forgot to recognize me for my podium patent hahaha!!! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BHY2N6WCcAAo51s.jpg:large …
TomasC said:And when you thought it's all over Peter Sagan comments on Rowney's move on Twitter:
TomasC said:And when you thought it's all over Peter Sagan comments on Rowney's move on Twitter:
So Sagan is a lout, and yet you haven't said anything negative about the women that did a similar action? No offence but that smells of sexism IMO.mewmewmew13 said:there will always be louts
Netserk said:So Sagan is a lout, and yet you haven't said anything negative about the women that did a similar action? No offence but that smells of sexism IMO.
mewmewmew13 said:That sounds like a baiting comment netserk.
I actually didn't say anything about the woman cyclist on the podium...I think it was stupid and pretty immature. It makes light of the whole situation...
not what I would do.
..louts are both male and female btw...or I should have said 'people who do stupid things in public'
Netserk said:So Sagan is a lout, and yet you haven't said anything negative about the women that did a similar action? No offence but that smells of sexism IMO.
Netserk said:So you agree that in your opinion Sagan is a lout.
You also agree that you haven't said a single negative thing towards the women.
And what does it matter that both a male and female can be a lout?I haven't said otherwise.
And yet I'm baiting
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If it had been a male cyclist that mirrored Sagan and linked an image of it on Twitter, my guess would be that a very negative comment would come from you.
northstar said:It's a mockery. A reverse Sagan move.......
https://twitter.com/velociosports/status/320686414272532480
Caruut said:Stop borderline baiting, you're a mod.
It's different for several crucial reasons.
Firstly, it is making fun of the original incident.
Secondly, at the moment it is much more of a violation to do that to a woman than it is to a man. I don't think that's right, but I do think it is very much the case. In general, women mind more. I believe that this is because weird social ideas about the "purity" of women mean that culturally women being treated in such a manner are frowned upon much more than men being treated in such a manner.
Thirdly, there is much less of a culture of such abuses form women on men than there is from men on women.
Fourthly, I think the power relations between the actors are very important. The girl in Sagan's case has very little power. He is the superstar athlete and she is the (until then) largely anonymous face, and is in no position to do anything about it there and then in front of the cameras. The power disparity in the other cases isn't likely to be nearly as large.
So, can we stop pretending it's exactly the same?
EDIT: I also don't think that what the woman did was appropriate. However, I don't think they are equally inappropriate.
Afrank said:Seriously? I think it's even funnier than Sagan doing it.![]()
Afrank said:Seriously? I think it's even funnier than Sagan doing it.![]()
TomasC said:And when you thought it's all over Peter Sagan comments on Rowney's move on Twitter
:Originally Posted by @petosagan
She forgot to recognize me for my podium patent hahaha!!! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BHY2N6WCcAAo51s.jpg:large …
Afrank said:That is nothing more than a sexual assault and harassment that is akin to rape! She must apologize to him immediately for all the pain and hurt she has caused him! This was by far the stupidest thing she could have done and outlines a society where the bodily integrity of men is not taken seriously.![]()
That's my impression of the people making a mountain out of the Sagan incident mole hole.
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mewmewmew13 said:Rape has nothing to do with 'titillation' and 'sexual harassment' ..it is a violent crime.
Unless you have ever been sexually harassed at any level at any point in your (obviously very young) life then, no, you could not possibly 'get' the point that some here are trying to make that it was inappropriate.
Also, by trying to equate disapproval of Sagan's actions with 'crying rape' ..you are pathetically dismissing the validity of why his action was inappropriate in the first place.
I'm sorry that that is your impression. Hopefully you will never be bullied, disrespected or harassed in your life.
Cheers
Afrank said:Sure, it was inappropriate, but not a real big deal. I don't see it as as big a deal as people are making it out to be. Sagan's young, and having fun and goofing around is part of his personality.
ElChingon said:I hope this continues on for the rest of time, if only to make those who were offended (yet not even touched) realized the lout-ity of their remarks of taking things to the wrong-zone when it was never there to begin with.
Just because some people's minds are in the dirt or extremely obtuse does not mean the rest of us have to be dragged down to those measures. Life is fun and so is pinching a bum from time to time, yes there's a valid situation and an in-valid situation but a podium... if you can't realize what that scene is then you are totally off on to some other mental state.
The Principal Sheep said:Wow the behaviour on this thread seems to be going backwards, it's simply amazing that people are trying to defend this, there was no consent, they weren't even talking, no flirting or joking, it really seems to be bordering on "if she didn't like it then that's her problem".
Peter should be seeing her today and he hopes to apologise and gave this quote:
"I'll see her again and I hope I can find a way for her to forgive me,"
"It was a joke. What else do you think it was? The problem is that some people didn’t understand it. But I apologised to her because she didn’t like it."
Disappointingly it seems that he has learned little from this as he is placing the blame on others and not taking responsibility for his actions which may have been meant as a joke but clearly is not acceptable.
Caruut said:Stop borderline baiting, you're a mod.
wiggos sideburn said:No all he said it was meant to be a joke which he feels some have not understood. He's apologising to her as he realised she didn't like it means he is taking responsibility
The Principal Sheep said:It’s very important when giving an apology (especially a public apology) to be clear, now this was a quote from Gazzetta dello Sport so it’s possible that something was lost in translation, however what he should have said was that he meant it as a joke but she took offence and he now realises it was wrong of him and so he apologises, not that it was a joke which people failed to understand.