Podium behaviour poll

[Angliru]

That is one ugly kit!

 

[mewmewmew13]

That is one ugly kit!

LOL was just going to post that and then saw your comment!

worst kit I've seen in decades...

 

[TomasC]

And when you thought it's all over Peter Sagan comments on Rowney's move on Twitter:

She forgot to recognize me for my podium patent hahaha!!! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BHY2N6WCcAAo51s.jpg:large …

 

[mewmewmew13]

And when you thought it's all over Peter Sagan comments on Rowney's move on Twitter:

there will always be louts

 

[wiggos sideburn]

And when you thought it's all over Peter Sagan comments on Rowney's move on Twitter:

What recognising that she was taking the **** out of him and going with the joke. I don't see anything wrong with it unless you're parting blame on the girl as well

 

[Netserk]

there will always be louts

So Sagan is a lout, and yet you haven't said anything negative about the women that did a similar action? No offence but that smells of sexism IMO.

 

[wiggos sideburn]

So Sagan is a lout, and yet you haven't said anything negative about the women that did a similar action? No offence but that smells of sexism IMO.

No only men can be sexist haha

 

[mewmewmew13]

That sounds like a baiting comment netserk.

I actually didn't say anything about the woman cyclist on the podium...I think it was stupid and pretty immature. It makes light of the whole situation...
not what I would do.

..louts are both male and female btw...or I should have said 'people who do stupid things in public'

 

[Netserk]

That sounds like a baiting comment netserk.

I actually didn't say anything about the woman cyclist on the podium...I think it was stupid and pretty immature. It makes light of the whole situation...
not what I would do.

..louts are both male and female btw...or I should have said 'people who do stupid things in public'

So you agree that in your opinion Sagan is a lout.

You also agree that you haven't said a single negative thing towards the women.

And what does it matter that both a male and female can be a lout? I haven't said otherwise.

And yet I'm baiting

...

If it had been a male cyclist that mirrored Sagan and linked an image of it on Twitter, my guess would be that a very negative comment would come from you.

 

[Cyivel]

Yes- it was a stupid thing to do and hopefully she will learn from it.

 

[Caruut]

So Sagan is a lout, and yet you haven't said anything negative about the women that did a similar action? No offence but that smells of sexism IMO.

Stop borderline baiting, you're a mod.

It's different for several crucial reasons.

Firstly, it is making fun of the original incident.

Secondly, at the moment it is much more of a violation to do that to a woman than it is to a man. I don't think that's right, but I do think it is very much the case. In general, women mind more. I believe that this is because weird social ideas about the "purity" of women mean that culturally women being treated in such a manner are frowned upon much more than men being treated in such a manner.

Thirdly, there is much less of a culture of such abuses form women on men than there is from men on women.

Fourthly, I think the power relations between the actors are very important. The girl in Sagan's case has very little power. He is the superstar athlete and she is the (until then) largely anonymous face, and is in no position to do anything about it there and then in front of the cameras. The power disparity in the other cases isn't likely to be nearly as large.

So, can we stop pretending it's exactly the same?

EDIT: I also don't think that what the woman did was appropriate. However, I don't think they are equally inappropriate.

 

[mewmewmew13]

So you agree that in your opinion Sagan is a lout.

You also agree that you haven't said a single negative thing towards the women.

And what does it matter that both a male and female can be a lout? I haven't said otherwise.

And yet I'm baiting

...

If it had been a male cyclist that mirrored Sagan and linked an image of it on Twitter, my guess would be that a very negative comment would come from you.

You keep bringing up these passive aggressive accusations directed squarely at me. It seems a very thinly veiled attempt to get a rise and response from me.

You are supposed to keep a high level of reason and intelligence when weighing your comments in your role as an admin...I am not seeing any hint of either in your posts.

Just so you can rest easy, I was actually inferring in my original comment "There will always be louts" that as well as Sagan being a lout the female cyclist on the podium was also being a lout.
Her move was immature and stupid as well as trivializing a more important lesson that obviously Sagan has not learned from this incident.

It is not my problem that you miss subtleties in comments and then keep twisting the intent of my post to satisfy your irritation with me.

From what I see of your short history here as a mod/admin I find you are walking a thin line of power abuse and poor taste.

 

[Afrank]

It's a mockery. A reverse Sagan move.......

https://twitter.com/velociosports/status/320686414272532480

That is nothing more than a sexual assault and harassment that is akin to rape! She must apologize to him immediately for all the pain and hurt she has caused him! This was by far the stupidest thing she could have done and outlines a society where the bodily integrity of men is not taken seriously.

That's my impression of the people making a mountain out of the Sagan incident mole hole.

 

[Afrank]

Stop borderline baiting, you're a mod.

It's different for several crucial reasons.

Firstly, it is making fun of the original incident.

Secondly, at the moment it is much more of a violation to do that to a woman than it is to a man. I don't think that's right, but I do think it is very much the case. In general, women mind more. I believe that this is because weird social ideas about the "purity" of women mean that culturally women being treated in such a manner are frowned upon much more than men being treated in such a manner.

Thirdly, there is much less of a culture of such abuses form women on men than there is from men on women.

Fourthly, I think the power relations between the actors are very important. The girl in Sagan's case has very little power. He is the superstar athlete and she is the (until then) largely anonymous face, and is in no position to do anything about it there and then in front of the cameras. The power disparity in the other cases isn't likely to be nearly as large.

So, can we stop pretending it's exactly the same?

EDIT: I also don't think that what the woman did was appropriate. However, I don't think they are equally inappropriate.

Seriously? I think it's even funnier than Sagan doing it.

 

[Caruut]

Seriously? I think it's even funnier than Sagan doing it.

I also think that it's funnier than what Sagan did. However, as has been established, I found that tragically unfunny, so for me that's not saying much.

 

[ElChingon]

Seriously? I think it's even funnier than Sagan doing it.

I hope this continues on for the rest of time, if only to make those who were offended (yet not even touched) realized the lout-ity of their remarks of taking things to the wrong-zone when it was never there to begin with.

Just because some people's minds are in the dirt or extremely obtuse does not mean the rest of us have to be dragged down to those measures. Life is fun and so is pinching a bum from time to time, yes there's a valid situation and an in-valid situation but a podium... if you can't realize what that scene is then you are totally off on to some other mental state.

 

[ElChingon]

And when you thought it's all over Peter Sagan comments on Rowney's move on Twitter

Originally Posted by ‏@petosagan
She forgot to recognize me for my podium patent hahaha!!! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BHY2N6WCcAAo51s.jpg:large …

:

Dang that's one long arm

 

[mewmewmew13]

That is nothing more than a sexual assault and harassment that is akin to rape! She must apologize to him immediately for all the pain and hurt she has caused him! This was by far the stupidest thing she could have done and outlines a society where the bodily integrity of men is not taken seriously.

That's my impression of the people making a mountain out of the Sagan incident mole hole.

Rape has nothing to do with 'titillation' and 'sexual harassment' ..it is a violent crime.

Unless you have ever been sexually harassed at any level at any point in your (obviously very young) life then, no, you could not possibly 'get' the point that some here are trying to make that it was inappropriate.

Also, by trying to equate disapproval of Sagan's actions with 'crying rape' ..you are pathetically dismissing the validity of why his action was inappropriate in the first place.

I'm sorry that that is your impression. Hopefully you will never be bullied, disrespected or harassed in your life.
Cheers

 

[Afrank]

Rape has nothing to do with 'titillation' and 'sexual harassment' ..it is a violent crime.

Unless you have ever been sexually harassed at any level at any point in your (obviously very young) life then, no, you could not possibly 'get' the point that some here are trying to make that it was inappropriate.

Also, by trying to equate disapproval of Sagan's actions with 'crying rape' ..you are pathetically dismissing the validity of why his action was inappropriate in the first place.

I'm sorry that that is your impression. Hopefully you will never be bullied, disrespected or harassed in your life.
Cheers

Way to completely miss the point of the post.
Just as many here are turning the Sagan incident into something much larger than it actually was I was making a, half joking, post that makes a big deal out of Rowney's doing it.

And before you try to make me look like someone that defends Sagan's actions and says it wasn't inappropriate, take a look at the first post I made in this thread.

Sure, it was inappropriate, but not a real big deal. I don't see it as as big a deal as people are making it out to be. Sagan's young, and having fun and goofing around is part of his personality.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

I hope this continues on for the rest of time, if only to make those who were offended (yet not even touched) realized the lout-ity of their remarks of taking things to the wrong-zone when it was never there to begin with.

Just because some people's minds are in the dirt or extremely obtuse does not mean the rest of us have to be dragged down to those measures. Life is fun and so is pinching a bum from time to time, yes there's a valid situation and an in-valid situation but a podium... if you can't realize what that scene is then you are totally off on to some other mental state.

Yes, it is . What is your score so far this year?

 

[The Principal Sheep]

Wow the behaviour on this thread seems to be going backwards, it's simply amazing that people are trying to defend this, there was no consent, they weren't even talking, no flirting or joking, it really seems to be bordering on "if she didn't like it then that's her problem".

Peter should be seeing her today and he hopes to apologise and gave this quote:

"I'll see her again and I hope I can find a way for her to forgive me,"

"It was a joke. What else do you think it was? The problem is that some people didn’t understand it. But I apologised to her because she didn’t like it."

Disappointingly it seems that he has learned little from this as he is placing the blame on others and not taking responsibility for his actions which may have been meant as a joke but clearly is not acceptable.

 

[wiggos sideburn]

Wow the behaviour on this thread seems to be going backwards, it's simply amazing that people are trying to defend this, there was no consent, they weren't even talking, no flirting or joking, it really seems to be bordering on "if she didn't like it then that's her problem".

Peter should be seeing her today and he hopes to apologise and gave this quote:

"I'll see her again and I hope I can find a way for her to forgive me,"

"It was a joke. What else do you think it was? The problem is that some people didn’t understand it. But I apologised to her because she didn’t like it."

Disappointingly it seems that he has learned little from this as he is placing the blame on others and not taking responsibility for his actions which may have been meant as a joke but clearly is not acceptable.

No all he said it was meant to be a joke which he feels some have not understood. He's apologising to her as he realised she didn't like it means he is taking responsibility

 

[Christian]

Stop borderline baiting, you're a mod.

Moder-baiter rides again!!

PS: What the female rider (sorry don't know her name) did was seriously funny

 

[The Principal Sheep]

No all he said it was meant to be a joke which he feels some have not understood. He's apologising to her as he realised she didn't like it means he is taking responsibility

It’s very important when giving an apology (especially a public apology) to be clear, now this was a quote from Gazzetta dello Sport so it’s possible that something was lost in translation, however what he should have said was that he meant it as a joke but she took offence and he now realises it was wrong of him and so he apologises, not that it was a joke which people failed to understand.

 

[wiggos sideburn]

It’s very important when giving an apology (especially a public apology) to be clear, now this was a quote from Gazzetta dello Sport so it’s possible that something was lost in translation, however what he should have said was that he meant it as a joke but she took offence and he now realises it was wrong of him and so he apologises, not that it was a joke which people failed to understand.

He's also given her flowers and apologised to her in person today