Right on Sister.....they don't understand what it is like, unfortunately it is that simplemewmewmew13 said:Rape has nothing to do with 'titillation' and 'sexual harassment' ..it is a violent crime.
Unless you have ever been sexually harassed at any level at any point in your (obviously very young) life then, no, you could not possibly 'get' the point that some here are trying to make that it was inappropriate.
Also, by trying to equate disapproval of Sagan's actions with 'crying rape' ..you are pathetically dismissing the validity of why his action was inappropriate in the first place.
I'm sorry that that is your impression. Hopefully you will never be bullied, disrespected or harassed in your life.
I'm a poster like everyone else. What I did was *not* baiting nor 'borderline'. As a mod I will try my hardest to follow the rules, but that doesn't mean I have to be holier than thou. When I post I post as a poster. Just as I did before being a mod. If you have a problem with how I am as a mod, then take it to the moderators thread.Caruut said:Stop borderline baiting, you're a mod.
Which isn't a difference really, since the action by Sagan also was a joke.Caruut said:It's different for several crucial reasons.
Firstly, it is making fun of the original incident.
This is utter sexism. It doesn't effing matter whether it was done by or to a woman or man.Caruut said:Secondly, at the moment it is much more of a violation to do that to a woman than it is to a man. I don't think that's right, but I do think it is very much the case. In general, women mind more. I believe that this is because weird social ideas about the "purity" of women mean that culturally women being treated in such a manner are frowned upon much more than men being treated in such a manner.
So??? That doesn't change the action.Caruut said:Thirdly, there is much less of a culture of such abuses form women on men than there is from men on women.
Doesn't make it one bit worse or better.Caruut said:Fourthly, I think the power relations between the actors are very important. The girl in Sagan's case has very little power. He is the superstar athlete and she is the (until then) largely anonymous face, and is in no position to do anything about it there and then in front of the cameras. The power disparity in the other cases isn't likely to be nearly as large.
It is the same except for one thing and one thing only (and it isn't because of the genders). Sagan's action was a joke, and the woman's action was a meta-joke.Caruut said:So, can we stop pretending it's exactly the same?
IMO they are equally appropriate. I don't think that either was inappropriate.Caruut said:EDIT: I also don't think that what the woman did was appropriate. However, I don't think they are equally inappropriate.
So you wouldn't have commentated it in a negatively way if a male cyclist did the same thing?mewmewmew13 said:You keep bringing up these passive aggressive accusations directed squarely at me. It seems a very thinly veiled attempt to get a rise and response from me.
See my answer to Caruut.mewmewmew13 said:You are supposed to keep a high level of reason and intelligence when weighing your comments in your role as an admin...I am not seeing any hint of either in your posts.
Funny how it was only posted as a response to Sagan's comment then.mewmewmew13 said:Just so you can rest easy, I was actually inferring in my original comment "There will always be louts" that as well as Sagan being a lout the female cyclist on the podium was also being a lout.
Her move was immature and stupid as well as trivializing a more important lesson that obviously Sagan has not learned from this incident.
I agree. You word yourself to perfection and yet I try to twist every word written by you to satisfy my irritation with you.mewmewmew13 said:It is not my problem that you miss subtleties in comments and then keep twisting the intent of my post to satisfy your irritation with me.
Sorry for not having *your* taste. Which mod power is it that I have abused?mewmewmew13 said:From what I see of your short history here as a mod/admin I find you are walking a thin line of power abuse and poor taste.
Explain what 'not understanding the joke' means with regard to pinching a girl's ***. are there some other levels to it that I haven't considered?wiggos sideburn said:No all he said it was meant to be a joke which he feels some have not understood. He's apologising to her as he realised she didn't like it means he is taking responsibility
I'm presuming by what I have read on what he said earlier, he feels the fans want him to do something everytime, he brought up the wheelie after the win the week before. So I'm guessing he just thought it would be a bit silly and people would have a quick laugh but the reaction didn't turn out the way he expectedThe Hitch said:Explain what 'not understanding the joke' means with regard to pinching a girl's ***. are there some other levels to it that I haven't considered?
C'mon Netserk, you don't honestly believe this stuff deep down in your heart do you? As much as you or I might like for things to equal between the sexes, we just aren't there yet.Netserk said:This is utter sexism. It doesn't effing matter whether it was done by or to a woman or man.
So??? That doesn't change the action.
Doesn't make it one bit worse or better.
It is the same except for one thing and one thing only (and it isn't because of the genders). Sagan's action was a joke, and the woman's action was a meta-joke.
IMO they are equally appropriate. I don't think that either was inappropriate.
I know things aren't equal between the sexes.jaylew said:C'mon Netserk, you don't honestly believe this stuff deep down in your heart do you? As much as you or I might like for things to equal between the sexes, we just aren't there yet.
Nice gesture by Peter today.
No! Don't shut it down.hfer07 said:OK. so now that SAGAN has repaired his conduct/behavior with good deeds & apologized properly to the Podium hostess...
Can the Mods shut down this Thread?
Why?hfer07 said:OK. so now that SAGAN has repaired his conduct/behavior with good deeds & apologized properly to the Podium hostess...
Can the Mods shut down this Thread?