Just like Van der poel is a part time rider. The other riders should thank god for that.
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But his focus is on road racing. Pogacar didn't defend his title in Flanders to be in top shape for the Giro-Tour double. Where is MVP missing monuments to prepare XC races? Another good example is Tour de France. MVP rides the Tour to prepare worlds (2023) and Olympics (2024), Pogi races to win the Tour. Of course MVP is preparing a lot better those classics (I still think Pogi would not have a chance of winning in Glasgow even if he was in peak shape).
Yeah Mathieu is better, he showed that at the WC last year and this year in E3, De ronde and Roubaix
Funny thing is that Pogacar is better Grand Tour rider than Vingegaard because he has more GT wins, but somehow he is also better than Van Der Poel in classics races while having less wins.
You're forgetting the memo where he lost because he hurt his wrist last year but this year Vingegaards crash is irrelevant
MVP is almost 4 years older. In the end we will see who he is the better classics rider. I don't mind MVP being better, I am a huge fan of him but you didn't get the point when I spoke Pog doesn't give as much attention as MVP to classics.
Yeah, and also one year Vingagaard had a help of Roglic, which is also used around here as unfair advantage.
Since there have been a lot of talks about the GOAT, happy Birthday to the GOAT, who turns 79 today.
Almost impossible to someone achieve his status.
View: https://x.com/CafeRoubaix/status/1802632697287709106
Almost impossible to someone achieve his status.
View: https://x.com/CafeRoubaix/status/1802632697287709106
Pogacar's greatest virtue was staying away from the infirmary since 2019. The main rivals are going a lot of times to the infirmary when we see the clinical history of Vingegaard, Remco, van der poel, Roglic and Van aert.
When he faces real competition like in the past two editions of the Tour de France and in the past 2 editions of World championships, he wins way less.
Nevertheless, staying on the bike is a virtue, not just "luck". Except for the wrist last year he has been doing a good job staying out of trouble.
"Eddy Merckx was a real professional who largely rode against cigar farmers" - Ex-pro says Tadej Pogacar far more impressive than the legendary 'Cannibal'
Tadej Pogacar was utterly dominant at the first Gran
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haha another one on the day they sure seems to stack up these days
Hes ofc right too, different eras, qualities etc and personally why im not myself the biggest fan of goat debate in itself other than ppl seem to put him there already, goat or no goat he is on the pedestal with merckx already which has up to now been unheard of in cycling. Weve all lost count on ppl with far more knowledge than us (gilbert, contador thomas etcetc) say this on every occasion now, Its just is what it is, just enjoy it were all lucky.
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I'm not subjectively discussing anything. Head to head confrontations in GTs, especially the Tour, count for the title. Win more GTs, but get trounced at the Tour repeatedly, and you aren't the one you say statistically.
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Count monuments, Worlds, and Olympics: Pog 19 and MVDP 22
Just monuments: Pog 14 and MVDP 18
MVDP has also rode the monuments that favor him more than Pogacar.
Both are favored in 2 monuments and share the third.
MVDP is favored in MSR, RVV, and PR and has started 15 of them. Plus his Worlds win was on a very favorable course.
Pog is favored in RVV, LBL, GdL and has started 10 of them.
Pog has rode a monument that’s favored MVDP 6 times, while MVDP has done the opposite 3 times.
I feel really conflicted between wanting to crap on Merckx for riding in a meme era and wanting on the Pogacar cult for anointing him years too early.
Pogacar like only past dudes like Nibali, Contador and Froome as recently as last year or this year depending on how you count.
Pogacar like only past dudes like Nibali, Contador and Froome as recently as last year or this year depending on how you count.
Yes, you are since you are only seemingly wanting count and refer to the last two Tours... to say Vinge is in the "lead". Only wanting to talk about the Tour as well. Nothing else.
That doesnt work for a generational conversation about who is the best GT rider. For that counts wins and other results over a longer period of time in GTs, where Pog RIGHT NOW leads over Vinge. No matter what you want to say.
And if Vinge goes on to win more than Pog, then he will be in the lead and eventually be able to claim to be the best generational GT-rider. We dont know if that will happen yet though. We can only talk about today and make guesses about the future.
Over time they will likely have years were they where the best and where they were not. It is how it all adds up later, overall, that matters for this generational conversation.
Facts today are Pog is in the lead for being the best generational GT-rider, something that you said he would have to be to be able to claim a GOAT-status.
Dont know how many times this has to be repeated. It is the facts TODAY. It might not be in a month, a year or five years.
He will only have a GOAT status if he wins:
5x Tour France
4x Giro d'Italia
La Vuelta
7x Milan San Remo
2x Tour Flandres
3x Paris Roubaix
5x liege bastogne liege
2x Giro di Lombardia.
Until then he can't be the GOAT, and these stats are facts. He is very far from that.
The conversation is only pertaining about him being this generation best GT-rider to be able to reach GOAT-status, which he leads atm, as the poster said he would have to be for them to be able to say he is the GOAT.
However, he is already the GOAT though. Dont care about you and what you say at all. Stop quoting me and follow me around. Weirdo.
What is that definition of "GOAT status"? There is only one GOAT and that it. GOAT is something that doesn't exist.
He can be your GOAT in your heart, like Vingegaard or Van der poel can be the GOAT of my heart. Doesn't mean they are the real GOAT.
well, he would be, if we would completely ignore context.
head-to-head its still 2-1 for Vingegaard, and thats what counts to me.
Not how it works for a generational conversation.
Vinge was the best 2022-2023 as has been said. Might not matter for a generational conversation, which Pog leads atm, where wins and other results has to be accounted for.
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