Porte Penalised 2 minutes for getting Clarkes Wheel -Fair?

[Eshnar]

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And do you have evidence that they didn't push?
I know you're huge Giro fan, but give me a brake.
This has nothing to do with sportsmanship.

The claim is yours, you should have sth to support it.If you don't, you can't really complain if it just seems bs.

 

[Mozart92]

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And we can't accept the decision as a fair one, if that's the case.
Stop playing stupid. You're aware of what has happened.

I'm aware that you, just as 99% of observers, think that the GC battle is basically over. Do you really believe that RCS are happy with it? Stop playing stupid?

They are more than happy. Otherwise they wouldn't push such a stupid decision.
I've already posted that this should open up the race and not necessarily destroy it, but the magnitude of justification and spinning coming from certain fans is disgusting and makes me react.

They didn't push for anything. Or do you have any evidence of that? I have no idea how can you possibly think this will open up the race. Do you really believe Porte will go bonkers tomorrow or sth like that?
To me it seems that the magnitude of spinning you are employing is pretty amazing.
Still wonder why the big ITT though. I mean, in italy they don't even like tts. It'd be a piece of cake to get rid of them. Or make them shorter. But maybe they expect Aru to win it. That explains everything.

And do you have evidence that they didn't push?
I know you're huge Giro fan, but give me a brake.
This has nothing to do with sportsmanship.

And you have evidence they did? Besides the rules are written down. Still they should have let this pass.

 

[rhubroma]

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How about just enjoying the Mediterranean universe. As for the outcome, for me it is independent of the business model, which I couldn't care less about. In fact the "business model" has IMO ruined the Tour.

So, you haven't fully understood the moral of my post.
Never mind.

No I've understood completely. A rule should not be applied in this instance, since the Italians have taken an opportunity to the advantage of their rider? Thus the business model is flawed, because it doesn't respect the rules of "fair play."

Sell that in court.

How often does this happen?
How often is sanctioned?
The rules can be stretched in this sport to the borders of ones interest. We all know that. We've seen it numerous times.
We're not talking about civil laws and courts.

How often is it sanctioned? I don't know, how often does it happen? Look, I don't applaud the fact, however, Sky, the uber detailed squadra, should at the very least know this glaring rule. No? Or is thier business model wrong?

 

[sir fly]

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They are more than happy. Otherwise they wouldn't push such a stupid decision.
I've already posted that this should open up the race and not necessarily destroy it, but the magnitude of justification and spinning coming from certain fans is disgusting and makes me react.

Actually, you being butthurt is becoming more and more obvious, vs people you assume are Contador fans based on their agreement with the decsion. Just so you can put another label on someone, I am unabashedly anti-Sky, not pro-Contador.

That's even worse, I'm sorry.
Haters are always more passionate than fans.

 

[Irondan]

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Clarke did the right thing. Tomorrow they should let Porte alone break away and take back the two minutes. UCI jury BOOOOOOO

I wish it was that easy.

 

[hrotha]

sir fly, why don't you just come out and say the rules shouldn't apply to certain guys.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Re: Porte Penalised 2 minutes for getting Clarkes Wheel -Fai

Than commissaries suggest that fair-play, sportsmanlike behaviour and sportsmanship are all just obsolete features. By saying it doesn't meet the spirit of Law, Brailsford is right this time.

But by opening it up for a piece of sportsmanship, it opens up questions of interpretation where the same leniency could be used less sportingly.

 

[T-Nielsen]

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And we can't accept the decision as a fair one, if that's the case.
Stop playing stupid. You're aware of what has happened.

I'm aware that you, just as 99% of observers, think that the GC battle is basically over. Do you really believe that RCS are happy with it? Stop playing stupid?

They are more than happy. Otherwise they wouldn't push such a stupid decision.
I've already posted that this should open up the race and not necessarily destroy it, but the magnitude of justification and spinning coming from certain fans is disgusting and makes me react.

They didn't push for anything. Or do you have any evidence of that? I have no idea how can you possibly think this will open up the race. Do you really believe Porte will go bonkers tomorrow or sth like that?
To me it seems that the magnitude of spinning you are employing is pretty amazing.
Still wonder why the big ITT though. I mean, in italy they don't even like tts. It'd be a piece of cake to get rid of them. Or make them shorter. But maybe they expect Aru to win it. That explains everything.

And do you have evidence that they didn't push?
I know you're huge Giro fan, but give me a brake.
This has nothing to do with sportsmanship.

That tells you all you need to know right there...

 

[arvc40]

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Clarke did the right thing. Tomorrow they should let Porte alone break away and take back the two minutes. UCI jury BOOOOOOO

Nah, *** that.

 

[del1962]

The head of the race jury is German so he will be a stickler for the rules

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Re: Porte Penalised 2 minutes for getting Clarkes Wheel -Fai

The coalitions between Spanish GC riders have annoyed me for years. Glad to see this is cracked down on, even though it was pretty random it happened to Porte/Clarke.

Only because it was specifically mechanical. Because of all the ridiculous interpretation based justifications for pulling in in-race situations, clamping down on mechanical assistance is one of the few anti-collusion measures the UCI has that the race juries can actually act on, which is why they got caught out and penalized.

 

[Irondan]

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The head of the race jury is German so he will be a stickler for the rules

What a ridiculous comment!

 

[sir fly]

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And do you have evidence that they didn't push?
I know you're huge Giro fan, but give me a brake.
This has nothing to do with sportsmanship.

The claim is yours, you should have sth to support it.If you don't, you can't really complain if it just seems bs.

That's your classic spin... asking for evidence. How can a fan have any evidences?
Even police can't find the evidence in this case.
I can suspect based on interest. Who will profit and who will lose from this situation.
Stop wasting my time.

 

[arvc40]

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Clarke did the right thing. Tomorrow they should let Porte alone break away and take back the two minutes. UCI jury BOOOOOOO

No, Clarke is a twit for helping riders on another Team.

 

[plooton]

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Clarke did the right thing. Tomorrow they should let Porte alone break away and take back the two minutes. UCI jury BOOOOOOO

Think so too, but don't believe it's gonna happen.

 

[T-Nielsen]

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The head of the race jury is German so he will be a stickler for the rules

Stickler funny enough is a british term. But apparently only in certain cases.

 

[Eshnar]

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The head of the race jury is German so he will be a stickler for the rules

thanks for the useful insight. We were just missing another nationality to tell the usual bs of.

 

[sir fly]

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That tells you all you need to know right there...

Why don't you post from your original account?
You want to be consistent in ignoring me?
Keep copying my posts. Makes you look more clever.

 

[Eshnar]

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And do you have evidence that they didn't push?
I know you're huge Giro fan, but give me a brake.
This has nothing to do with sportsmanship.

The claim is yours, you should have sth to support it.If you don't, you can't really complain if it just seems bs.

That's your classic spin... asking for evidence. How can a fan have any evidences?
Even police can't find the evidence in this case.
I can suspect based on interest. Who will profit and who will lose from this situation.
Stop wasting my time.

I'm sure you convinced everybody with this.

 

[MacRoadie]

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What's baffling for me is that reading Twitter is pretty clear most pros have no idea of what the rules of their sport say.

No pro is familiar with all of the UCIs regulations. Not most pros aren't. No pro is. For that matter, the UCI's in house lawyers won't be familiar with all of them, without going to the written rules to check.

This.

Pros are paid to ride their bikes - not be lawyers. The team have people who know rules. Its the same in most professional sports.

"Gee Mr. Umpire, I didn't know the Vaseline in my glove, and the file in my pocket were illegal, I just didn't like my grip on the ball. You should probably go talk to my manager, I'm just paid to pitch."

 

[T-Nielsen]

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That tells you all you need to know right there...

Why don't you post from your original account?
You want to be consistent in ignoring me?
Keep copying my posts. Makes you look more clever.

My original account?

Have you just taken a sniff from something terrible?

 

[Poursuivant]

For all the debate, no-one has mentioned how harsh it seems for the penalty to be two minutes. Regardless of who it is being penalised, surely something like 20 seconds would be more appropriate, for a rule not many seem to actually know about, two minutes has dropped Porte's small chance of an overall win to miniscule. I think regardless of who it was, the 'crime' would be more fitting of a 10 or 20 second penalty . In my opinion obviously.

 

[carton]

I understand now why cyclingnews disabled comments. They can really cloud your judgement. Initially I thought the punishment was way too harsh, but after reading the lunacy of the "absolutely impartial" in-no-way-Porte-fans I kind of wished they had enforced this rule:

2.3.012
All riders may render each other such minor services as lending or exchanging food,
drink, spanners or accessories.
The lending or exchanging of tubular tyres or bicycles and waiting for a rider who has
been dropped or involved in an accident shall be permitted only amongst riders of the
same team. The pushing of one rider by another shall in all cases be forbidden, on pain of disqualification.

 

[Eyeballs Out]

It must be hugely embarrassing for a team that sells the story of their great attention to detail to not know the rules / have their riders know the rules. I can see them having another internal inquiry to find out who was responsible - like the one they had when they hired Leinders.

I'm always happy to see the rules enforced - if only it was done consistently. We can all think of occasions when they've been deliberately ignored

 

[sir fly]

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And do you have evidence that they didn't push?
I know you're huge Giro fan, but give me a brake.
This has nothing to do with sportsmanship.

The claim is yours, you should have sth to support it.If you don't, you can't really complain if it just seems bs.

That's your classic spin... asking for evidence. How can a fan have any evidences?
Even police can't find the evidence in this case.
I can suspect based on interest. Who will profit and who will lose from this situation.
Stop wasting my time.

I'm sure you convinced everybody with this.

Is that the best response you can make?
The goal isn't to convince anybody.
Just to stand up against injustice and point out the hypocrisy.