Porte Penalised 2 minutes for getting Clarkes Wheel -Fair?

[WheelofGear]

Now Sky is forced in the offensive. I'd even send Nieve or König out in a break as soon as tommorow. It's a hard stage. The 4. cat hill is steeper than most in that category.

 

[SkyTears]

will the race jury enforce the rules if they are hurting thei local riders ? ofc not

this is what sucks, you either enforce all rules, disqualifying 80 riders at once that come OTL or don't

 

[Libertine Seguros]

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When it's in the rules, I don't understand Porte didn't have a team mate ready with a wheel? He had 4 team mates to do the chase, so where were those?

About the jury: they are TOTALLY independent of the Giro, so let the nonsense stop just because you get emotional.

Screw the wheel, it's quicker to just give him the bike, like every good domestique for the last century.

 

[The_Cheech]

Better get a 2-minute penalty than lose 5 waiting for another bicycle.

Not the end of the world.

 

[The Hitch]

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Lol, the race jury just killed the race

Pretty much, aru will get destroyed by contador in the ITT. And uran is nothing in the mountains.

Kinda sad.

lol, don't come crying to me when the Contador brigade blames you for jinxing Berties Giro

 

[Volderke]

Does Porte have a team mate with same sized bikes? I feel he is one of the smaller guys within the team, and 5+ km on a big bike at high speed is hell...

 

[PremierAndrew]

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In my opinion It's a tough call..

And I do feel somewhat sad for Porte and the race...

But who really screwed this up was not the rules, but SKY who totally failed their captain who had a bid for the overall win.

Secondly, if the riders are not aware of the rules they should prolly use some time to learn them..

Remember when Porte went down the car to get supplies for Froome.. That was a calculated risk.. Who knows if this is the same...

If this had happened in the last stage, and Porte had won because if it then what should the verdict be?

I don't know about Richie but if I broke the rules, I wouldn't be tweeting evidence of it to 90k followers

 

[deValtos]

Re: Porte Penalised 2 minutes for getting Clarkes Wheel -Fai

This would make sense if they actually applied their rules regularly, since well it's in the rule book can't complain really (though I wonder actually how many riders knew of this rule).

But 95% of the time they ignore their own rules so I don't know WTF is going on here, absolutely bizzare.

Anyways lol it seems like the last 5 gt's in a row have been ruined because of some stupid issue. Way to kill the best GT in the past 20 years bois ... well done.

 

[Eagle]

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Does Porte have a team mate with same sized bikes? I feel he is one of the smaller guys within the team, and 5+ km on a big bike at high speed is hell...

Henao is about he same size

 

[Libertine Seguros]

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Does Porte have a team mate with same sized bikes? I feel he is one of the smaller guys within the team, and 5+ km on a big bike at high speed is hell...

Nieve won't be bigger than him. Sebastian Henao's bike is probably an OK fit if needed but not sure who was with him in the heat of the moment.

 

[hrotha]

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will the race jury enforce the rules if they are hurting thei local riders ? ofc not

So the problem here is that, in a make-believe scenario in your imagination, the jury is not doing their job. K.

 

[The Barb]

It is unfortunate for the drama of the race but the rule is absolutely a good one and if it is there it should be enforced. Perhaps i am saying that as someone from a small country whose riders would be less likely to get nationalistic assistance themselves. Overt assistance like that has to be punished because, as others have said, teams could easily effectively become 18 in size rather than 9.

Porte and the Sky Team will hopefully accept with good grace that they are responsible for their own downfall. This is the team that prides itself on having greater attention to detail than all others, yet they were either ignorant of this rule or arrogant enough not to care.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

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will the race jury enforce the rules if they are hurting thei local riders ? ofc not

So the problem here is that, in a make-believe scenario in your imagination, the jury is not doing their job. K.

Except for the Sicard example.

 

[SkyTears]

so who are the members of the jury ? who are they?

at least to know who made sure Aru got at least 2nd place

names ?

 

[T-Nielsen]

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wow shitty italians were fast, everything to help Aru
what a joke of a race

This was done by the UCI buddy, not the Giro organizers. Nice job with trying to start a conspiracy though

That said, the giro organisers decided to withdraw the convoy as soon as Porte punctured. Would that have happened if Aru had been in exactly the same situation?

What do you mean, there were cars between Porte and the peloton the whole time and he got a lot of drafting from them

Never mind then, source must have been wrong

Under any circumstance I think it would have been the uci commissaire and not the giro.

 

[SafeBet]

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I mean, it's in the rules, there's a clear precedent, and people are somehow complaining that it's unfair or that the Italians are out to get an Italian winner? Get a grip.

Very sensible post, but I'd like to know if this rule is enforced consistently.

 

[Wallenquist]

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i'm curious who is in the race jury, names exactly

GIURIA
Presidente Ingo REES (Ger)

Componenti
Vicente TORTAJADA VILLAROJA (Esp)
Eduardo MARGIOTTA
Wayne POMARIO (Can)

Giudice d’arrivo
Chiara MONTAGNIN


Giudici su moto
Antonio Giovanni DI CELLO
Stefania Francesca MUGGIOLU
Gabriele DAINELLI
Matteo BRUSATIN

Ispettore antidoping
Enrique GONZALES
MARTINEZ (Esp)
Sergio MEZZINI
Ingo LINKE (Ger)
Claude DESCHASEAUZ (Fra)
José DIEZ LORENZANA (Esp)
Germano CASAROTTI

Delegato tecnico
UCI WorldTour
Laurent SERVAES

 

[Christian]

I wonder if the riders involved knew this rule existed? It seems to be a rather odd and obscure one, but still, not knowing about a rule cannot be an excuse... in that sense I kinda feel like this is on the riders or on the teams for not making sure the riders know the rules... on the other hand there are so many rules set by the UCI that it becomes almost impossible to remember them all, especially when you have a puncture with 7k to go in the Giro and your adrenaline starts pumping... the last thing you'll be thinking about at that moment is article 12.6, subsection 4, paragrapg 2 "wheel changes from other teams"...

What I would be interested to know though, is: why is this a rule? What is the reasoning behind it? To prevent several teams "ganging up" and thus creating unfair advantages or maybe even safety concerns (different material on different teams)?

 

[mb2612]

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I mean, it's in the rules, there's a clear precedent, and people are somehow complaining that it's unfair or that the Italians are out to get an Italian winner? Get a grip.

Very sensible post, but I'd like to know if this rule is enforced consistently.

I don't remember it not being enforced.

 

[T-Nielsen]

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so who are the members of the jury ? who are they?

at least to know who made sure Aru got at least 2nd place

names ?

This is far out I know, but have you considered looking it up on the google machine?

 

[SkyTears]

so jury is mostly italians and spaniards

makes sense, nice race il Giro

joking

 

[PremierAndrew]

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I wonder if the riders involved knew this rule existed? It seems to be a rather odd and obscure one, but still, not knowing about a rule cannot be an excuse... in that sense I kinda feel like this is on the riders or on the teams for not making sure the riders know the rules... on the other hand there are so many rules set by the UCI that it becomes almost impossible to remember them all, especially when you have a puncture with 7k to go in the Giro and your adrenaline starts pumping... the last thing you'll be thinking about at that moment is article 12.6, subsection 4, paragrapg 2 "wheel changes from other teams"...

What I would be interested to know though, is: why is this a rule? What is the reasoning behind it? To prevent several teams "ganging up" and thus creating unfair advantages or maybe even safety concerns (different material on different teams)?

Would you retweet evidence to 90k followers of yourself breaking a rule that could cost you your chances in an event that you've trained hard for months for?

 

[LeindersGains]

I'd rather have him penalized for wheelsucking the entire first week.

What's the chance that he was faking the puncture? He has not looked that good so far. It's the perfect excuse when you are about to get your ass kicked by Astana and Alberto.

 

[DirtyWorks]

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It is unfortunate for the drama of the race but the rule is absolutely a good one and if it is there it should be enforced. Perhaps i am saying that as someone from a small country whose riders would be less likely to get nationalistic assistance themselves. Overt assistance like that has to be punished because, as others have said, teams could easily effectively become 18 in size rather than 9.

Porte and the Sky Team will hopefully accept with good grace that they are responsible for their own downfall. This is the team that prides itself on having greater attention to detail than all others, yet they were either ignorant of this rule or arrogant enough not to care.

On the road with the race at a really high pace, rules is something that gets forgotten sometimes. Without a doubt, the race rules of the UCI are lengthy and complex.

Tough breaks. It will be interesting to see if he's gifted time.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

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It is unfortunate for the drama of the race but the rule is absolutely a good one and if it is there it should be enforced. Perhaps i am saying that as someone from a small country whose riders would be less likely to get nationalistic assistance themselves. Overt assistance like that has to be punished because, as others have said, teams could easily effectively become 18 in size rather than 9.

It's much more likely to be help from a mate than anything particularly nationalistic. Oss did a giant lead out for his former teammate Sagan at the final intermediate sprint in California the other day. There was no benefit for Oss, BMC or the nation of Italy involved, he was just doing a favour for a friend. It's always been part of the sport.