Porte Penalised 2 minutes for getting Clarkes Wheel -Fair?

[The Hitch]

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Really? Does that include or exclude the time loss for the stage.

That excludes the time loss during the stage. Has this never happened before during a race? I have to assume it has. I think the fact that Porte made mention of it and there is ample photographic evidence to support it, they (UCI) felt compelled to enforce the rule. Puts a mark on this GIRO and I can't imagine any of the GC guys or RCS are happy about this outcome.

Porte's Giro is pretty much over now.

Lets not get dramatic. Half the gts in the last decade have been won by a greater margin than 2 minutes.There's plenty of tremendous opportunities to take massive time. The last time the peloton did that Mortirolo stage, the pink jersey lost 4 minutes. The penultimate time they did that Finnestre stage the pink jersey lost 2 and a half minutes before taking some of that back.

With the tt on Sat, its not out of the question that Porte could be in pink a week from ow.
And besides Contador and Aru could easily still crack or crash or something else.

And its not like a podium would be the end of the world for Porte, who's never been on one.

 

[deValtos]

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Would you retweet evidence to 90k followers of yourself breaking a rule that could cost you your chances in an event that you've trained hard for months for?

What's amusing is that it's actually the official Giro twitter posting it praising how "this is the best sport in the world."
https://twitter.com/giroditalia

Then one hour later, oops sorry dat sportsmanship gonna cost ya.

 

[The Hitch]

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Lol, the race jury just killed the race

Maybe, but if this happened to anyone else your response would have been - tough ***, rules are rules.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

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What I would be interested to know though, is: why is this a rule? What is the reasoning behind it? To prevent several teams "ganging up" and thus creating unfair advantages or maybe even safety concerns (different material on different teams)?

Would Clarke have stopped and given his wheel to Contador or Aru?

That's the reason for it. In a stage like today's it mattered little (but why wasn't there a Sky bike or rider to hand to change?) so 2' penalty seems overkill when he's already lost time by bad luck, but say that situation plays out in a mountain stage when a rider who is losing time receives mechanical assistance from another team, and is then able to limit their losses and defend a GC lead.

 

[infeXio]

Can someone tell me who SkyTears is?

 

[The Hitch]

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And it should be Clarke who gets penalised, not Porte.

Who was penalized on the illegal feed in 2013? The giver (porte) or the receiver (froome)?

Its the person who benefits that gets penalized.

 

[Publicus]

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Really? Does that include or exclude the time loss for the stage.

That excludes the time loss during the stage. Has this never happened before during a race? I have to assume it has. I think the fact that Porte made mention of it and there is ample photographic evidence to support it, they (UCI) felt compelled to enforce the rule. Puts a mark on this GIRO and I can't imagine any of the GC guys or RCS are happy about this outcome.

Porte's Giro is pretty much over now.

Lets not get dramatic. Half the gts in the last decade have been won by a greater margin than 2 minutes.There's plenty of tremendous opportunities to take massive time. The last time the peloton did that Mortirolo stage, the pink jersey lost 4 minutes. The penultimate time they did that Finnestre stage the pink jersey lost 2 and a half minutes before taking some of that back.

With the tt on Sat, its not out of the question that Porte could be in pink a week from ow.
And besides Contador and Aru could easily still crack or crash or something else.

And its not like a podium would be the end of the world for Porte, who's never been on one.

Good point. If he rides a good ITT, he's right back in the mix by Saturday. Sunday will be carnage if that is the case.

 

[SkyTears]

il Giro
the race where GC is decided by a race jury selectively applying rules that fit their protegees

 

[Libertine Seguros]

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And it should be Clarke who gets penalised, not Porte.

Who was penalized on the illegal feed in 2013? The giver (porte) or the receiver (froome)?

Its the person who benefits that gets penalized.

Both Clarke and Porte were penalized. Clarke for acting outside the rules, Porte for benefiting from illegal assistance.

 

[deValtos]

But anyways isn't there some literature/text that says rules are to be applied at the comittees discretion ? e.g they can use their common sense to choose when to enforce rules and when to "overlook" rules.

I can understand if Porte was abusing the rule to gain extra time somehow but this feels like one of those use your brain cases where it's clearly evident he had some bad luck and punctured at an inopportune moment and wasn't trying to game the system.

Also considering that the UCI only bothers to enforce 5% of their rules (might be a tad understating, but they do ignore a lot of *** ), why this one ?

 

[SkyTears]

Also considering that the UCI only bothers to enforce 5% of their rules (might be a tad understating, but they do ignore a lot of **** ), why this one ?

why you ask ? isn't it clear ?

a race jury composed in majority from italian and spanish persons penalize the main threat to Contador and Aru

 

[hrotha]

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il Giro
the race where GC is decided by a race jury selectively applying rules that fit their protegees

Like last year, when they kicked out Quintana for overtaking a red flag.

 

[Gigs_98]

Re: Porte Penalised 2 minutes for getting Clarkes Wheel -Fai

Well, this giro had the potential to be the most entertaining gt since a long time. Now it still has the potential but its much more unlikely. I mean, I understand why they have penalize someone who acts outside the rules, but please UCI, not that hard.

 

[Rollthedice]

The motorhome is a nice quiet place to read the rules. He might have invited some Aussie friends to join him.

 

[DirtyWorks]

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Lets not get dramatic. Half the gts in the last decade have been won by a greater margin than 2 minutes.There's plenty of tremendous opportunities to take massive time. The last time the peloton did that Mortirolo stage, the pink jersey lost 4 minutes. The penultimate time they did that Finnestre stage the pink jersey lost 2 and a half minutes before taking some of that back.

With the tt on Sat, its not out of the question that Porte could be in pink a week from ow.
And besides Contador and Aru could easily still crack or crash or something else.

And its not like a podium would be the end of the world for Porte, who's never been on one.

For sure. He's got the TT followed by a MTF stage. That is plenty of opportunity to get him back into podium range.

Rules infractions have impacted podiums before, so, just part of a grand tour.

 

[Miburo]

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Lol, the race jury just killed the race

Pretty much, aru will get destroyed by contador in the ITT. And uran is nothing in the mountains.

Kinda sad.

lol, don't come crying to me when the Contador brigade blames you for jinxing Berties Giro

No worries, they usually come at you for that after all.

 

[Lexman]

the rule is stupid Clarke giving his wheel gets sanctioned, Bling riding with Sky to help reduce the timelimit not...

 

[deValtos]

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What I would be interested to know though, is: why is this a rule? What is the reasoning behind it? To prevent several teams "ganging up" and thus creating unfair advantages or maybe even safety concerns (different material on different teams)?

Would Clarke have stopped and given his wheel to Contador or Aru?

That's the reason for it.

Is that the reason for it ? If it is that is quite frankly a terrible rule. You don't get an advantage from getting a puncture and a free wheel. It's still a net disadvantage. Why you would punish that is beyond me.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Re: Porte Penalised 2 minutes for getting Clarkes Wheel -Fai

Well, this giro had the potential to be the most entertaining gt since a long time. Now it still has the potential but its much more unlikely. I mean, I understand why they have penalize someone who acts outside the rules, but please UCI, not that hard.

This is why I love the Giro though. The Grand Boucle is so formulaic compared to this race. It's the courses chosen seem to be so much more eventful. (in a good way)

 

[deValtos]

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il Giro
the race where GC is decided by a race jury selectively applying rules that fit their protegees

Like last year, when they kicked out Quintana for overtaking a red flag.

As I said earlier the UCI only enforce a very small percentage of their rules. There needs to be some sort of consistency or it looks a bit odd when it screws over some riders but not others.

 

[richwagmn]

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The motorhome is a nice quiet place to read the rules. He might have invited some Aussie friends to join him.

Priceless...

 

[Velolover2]

The Hitch, I know he still can reach the podium, but this penalty must have affected his motivation.

After losing almost three minutes, you become demoralized.

 

[DirtyWorks]

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What I would be interested to know though, is: why is this a rule? What is the reasoning behind it? To prevent several teams "ganging up" and thus creating unfair advantages or maybe even safety concerns (different material on different teams)?

Would Clarke have stopped and given his wheel to Contador or Aru?

That's the reason for it.

Is that the reason for it ? If it is that is quite frankly a terrible rule. You don't get an advantage from getting a puncture and a free wheel. It's still a net disadvantage. Why you would punish that is beyond me.

As mentioned above, teams can double in size by agreeing to support each other. And then what's left? One or two big blocks of riders and maybe a couple of outliers.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Re: Re:

What I would be interested to know though, is: why is this a rule? What is the reasoning behind it? To prevent several teams "ganging up" and thus creating unfair advantages or maybe even safety concerns (different material on different teams)?

Would Clarke have stopped and given his wheel to Contador or Aru?

That's the reason for it.

Is that the reason for it ? If it is that is quite frankly a terrible rule. You don't get an advantage from getting a puncture and a free wheel. It's still a net disadvantage. Why you would punish that is beyond me.

Just ask, why weren't his teammates there? If they were, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

 

[SeriousSam]

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What I would be interested to know though, is: why is this a rule? What is the reasoning behind it? To prevent several teams "ganging up" and thus creating unfair advantages or maybe even safety concerns (different material on different teams)?

Would Clarke have stopped and given his wheel to Contador or Aru?

That's the reason for it.

Is that the reason for it ? If it is that is quite frankly a terrible rule. You don't get an advantage from getting a puncture and a free wheel. It's still a net disadvantage. Why you would punish that is beyond me.

You get an advantage relative to the situation where Clarke doesn't stop and offer you a wheel because you aren't a fellow Aussie mate.