Hmmm not sure, both are clearly quite realistic. Not sure who's is more likely tbh, close one.
Edit: I think yours wont work cause you have Gesink on the podium.
Edit: I think yours wont work cause you have Gesink on the podium.
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Re: Re:
- Equally good climbers (perhaps a very small edge to Pinot)
- Majka is perhaps a little better in ITT's
- Majka is also the smarter rider, knowing how to avoid crashes and how to position himself.
- While Pinot may have a higher top level than Majka, there's little doubt that the Pole is the more consistent rider.
He's definitely at Pinot-level.Brullnux said:
- Equally good climbers (perhaps a very small edge to Pinot)
- Majka is perhaps a little better in ITT's
- Majka is also the smarter rider, knowing how to avoid crashes and how to position himself.
- While Pinot may have a higher top level than Majka, there's little doubt that the Pole is the more consistent rider.
Re: Re:
I just don't think Majka is improving that much every year. I think by now Pinot will have overtaken him - I may be wrong. Pinot, in my opinion, has improved a lot in the last 2 years, whereas Majka has just plateaued a bit relatively speaking.Cance > TheRest said:
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I am not sure about JA (there are candidates but would never mention them in this group) but other than that think got them all as well.
And as much as my fanboyism screams to not to mention it, I do not see how the hell do you have Majka ahead of Nibali? In 2014 Tour Nibali absolutely destroyed everyone, took their cookies, ***** their wifes, while laughing them in the face. He won every stage he wanted to win (maybe except for Majka's first victory), attacked from 10km out even with huge lead in GC. Didnt ride defensively and didn't show ANY weakness for entire three weeks. And those opponents did include Majka (who was the 2nd best climber in the race but still 2 levels below Nibali)
LaFlorecita said:Is this "Guess the rider"? I think I got them all...DenisMenchov said:
I am not sure about JA (there are candidates but would never mention them in this group) but other than that think got them all as well.
And as much as my fanboyism screams to not to mention it, I do not see how the hell do you have Majka ahead of Nibali? In 2014 Tour Nibali absolutely destroyed everyone, took their cookies, ***** their wifes, while laughing them in the face. He won every stage he wanted to win (maybe except for Majka's first victory), attacked from 10km out even with huge lead in GC. Didnt ride defensively and didn't show ANY weakness for entire three weeks. And those opponents did include Majka (who was the 2nd best climber in the race but still 2 levels below Nibali)
- May 5, 2009
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Re: Re:
Nah, I'm just lazy
LaFlorecita said:Is this "Guess the rider"? I think I got them all...DenisMenchov said:
Nah, I'm just lazy
- May 17, 2013
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Re: Re:
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You're right that Pinot was the 2nd best climber at last year's TdF. There was even an article in l'Equipe that added last climb times for MTF for the top-6. And I don't understand how someone would say Majka is more consistent than Pinot. Majka would lose time one day, go down in the GC, cease to be a threat, which then gave him a pass the next day. Vinoesque... I also don't get why Nibali is being so overlooked, when last year he was way ahead of the other contenders before Dawg and Bertie abandoned. he showed that he was really prepared, really strong, and we should expect the same in July.
For a surprise, it's a surpriseMr.White said:
.You're right that Pinot was the 2nd best climber at last year's TdF. There was even an article in l'Equipe that added last climb times for MTF for the top-6. And I don't understand how someone would say Majka is more consistent than Pinot. Majka would lose time one day, go down in the GC, cease to be a threat, which then gave him a pass the next day. Vinoesque... I also don't get why Nibali is being so overlooked, when last year he was way ahead of the other contenders before Dawg and Bertie abandoned. he showed that he was really prepared, really strong, and we should expect the same in July.
Boring list:
Froome
Contador
Nibali
Quintana
Valverde
Fun list:
Landa (5 month Astana peak FTW!)
Thomas (all Sky pursuiters eventually find their climbing legs)
Purito (at some point, you just say f**k it and go all Chris Horner on everyone)
ten dam (I just rolled dice with random Dutch guys who can all climb now, and his name came up)
Voeckler (Here's hoping for another 30 minute breakaway!)
Froome
Contador
Nibali
Quintana
Valverde
Fun list:
Landa (5 month Astana peak FTW!)
Thomas (all Sky pursuiters eventually find their climbing legs)
Purito (at some point, you just say f**k it and go all Chris Horner on everyone)
ten dam (I just rolled dice with random Dutch guys who can all climb now, and his name came up)
Voeckler (Here's hoping for another 30 minute breakaway!)
- Sep 1, 2012
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At the Tour crashes inevitably play their part and it is almost certain that at least one podium place goes to someone outside of the circle of favourites.
Out of the big four Froome has so far been the weakest mentally, but if everything goes right for him he can be an unbeatable terminator again. His below par spring campaign however rises questions whether he is able to reach the heights of 2013 or even Dauphine 2014 again. He looked like a different rider this spring, apart from one stage in Andalucia. However, he was the strongest rider in Tour 2012 after a non-existent spring campaign so one cannot draw too many conclusions from this years one.
Quintana has had the best and most consistent spring campaign out of the big four. He seemed to peak for Tirreno and was really impressive there, though less so in Pais Vasco and Romandie. I'm not sure his climbing is that much better compared to two years ago, but he has undoubtedly made a huge leap mentality-wise. He has now a self-confidence and assuredness of a champion, in a way that most reminds me of Contador. However, he looks to be much more cagey, calculating and conservative rider than Alberto. The big unknown factor is how he good/bad he is on the cobbles compared to his GC rivals. Also, the presence of Valverde in his team can be a double-edged sword.
Nibali is following his last years model of one superpeak, but the question is, is this superpeak high enough to beat his rivals when they are all there and in form. He is probably the most complete racer of the big four, and has a stage with cobbles to shine on again. However he has previously been somewhat weaker climber than other three and the fact that none of them where last year when Tour reached big mountains leaves us with a lot of questions and no answers. For me though, it very much looked like he cracked at end of the stage 8 hill climb, even if the gap was measly 3 seconds. Also if the cobbled stage is raced in dry conditions, Nibali's advantage over the others and specially Contador should be significantly lesser than in last years rain-soaked epic.
And last but not least Contador. Big question is how much his by now almost certain victory of the Giro influences his Tour form. For me it seems he is planning his main peak for the Tour as he is definetely not at his best at the Giro (at least climbing-wise, the long TT was really impressive). It is impossible that the Giro won't have any influence on his Tour form, but the thing with Contador and Grand Tours is that if none of his rivals are head and shoulders stronger than him (like Froome in 2013), then Contador wins. If he isn't crushed, he always finds the way to win. At this point it is absolutely impossible to predict if someone is able to crush him or not.
Of the other, Pinot has impressed me the most thus far. He seems to have stepped up a bit this year. How significant it is, remains to be seen. Also given the mountainious nature of this years Tour, he is likely to shine and reach the podium again, though victory is without his reach.
I won't make a specified prediction about final placings before the Dauphine and Suisse are over, but hope for an open and unpredictable Tour as there have been far too many processions in last years.
Out of the big four Froome has so far been the weakest mentally, but if everything goes right for him he can be an unbeatable terminator again. His below par spring campaign however rises questions whether he is able to reach the heights of 2013 or even Dauphine 2014 again. He looked like a different rider this spring, apart from one stage in Andalucia. However, he was the strongest rider in Tour 2012 after a non-existent spring campaign so one cannot draw too many conclusions from this years one.
Quintana has had the best and most consistent spring campaign out of the big four. He seemed to peak for Tirreno and was really impressive there, though less so in Pais Vasco and Romandie. I'm not sure his climbing is that much better compared to two years ago, but he has undoubtedly made a huge leap mentality-wise. He has now a self-confidence and assuredness of a champion, in a way that most reminds me of Contador. However, he looks to be much more cagey, calculating and conservative rider than Alberto. The big unknown factor is how he good/bad he is on the cobbles compared to his GC rivals. Also, the presence of Valverde in his team can be a double-edged sword.
Nibali is following his last years model of one superpeak, but the question is, is this superpeak high enough to beat his rivals when they are all there and in form. He is probably the most complete racer of the big four, and has a stage with cobbles to shine on again. However he has previously been somewhat weaker climber than other three and the fact that none of them where last year when Tour reached big mountains leaves us with a lot of questions and no answers. For me though, it very much looked like he cracked at end of the stage 8 hill climb, even if the gap was measly 3 seconds. Also if the cobbled stage is raced in dry conditions, Nibali's advantage over the others and specially Contador should be significantly lesser than in last years rain-soaked epic.
And last but not least Contador. Big question is how much his by now almost certain victory of the Giro influences his Tour form. For me it seems he is planning his main peak for the Tour as he is definetely not at his best at the Giro (at least climbing-wise, the long TT was really impressive). It is impossible that the Giro won't have any influence on his Tour form, but the thing with Contador and Grand Tours is that if none of his rivals are head and shoulders stronger than him (like Froome in 2013), then Contador wins. If he isn't crushed, he always finds the way to win. At this point it is absolutely impossible to predict if someone is able to crush him or not.
Of the other, Pinot has impressed me the most thus far. He seems to have stepped up a bit this year. How significant it is, remains to be seen. Also given the mountainious nature of this years Tour, he is likely to shine and reach the podium again, though victory is without his reach.
I won't make a specified prediction about final placings before the Dauphine and Suisse are over, but hope for an open and unpredictable Tour as there have been far too many processions in last years.
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Re:
1. Contador = AC
2. Froome = CF
3. Quintana = NQ
4. Majka = RM
5. Nibali = VN
Honorable mentions:
Valverde = AV
van Garderen = TvG
Pinot = TP
Bardet = RB
? = PR
? = BM
? = JA
Rodriguez = JR
What are the others?
Is itDenisMenchov said:
1. Contador = AC
2. Froome = CF
3. Quintana = NQ
4. Majka = RM
5. Nibali = VN
Honorable mentions:
Valverde = AV
van Garderen = TvG
Pinot = TP
Bardet = RB
? = PR
? = BM
? = JA
Rodriguez = JR
What are the others?
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Re: Re:
I am sure is not Contador.jmdirt said:Escarabajo said:
So your prediction is that you aren't sure?
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Re: Re:
BM=Bauke Mollema
JA= Julian Alaphilippe
JR= Joaquin Rodriguez
PR= Pierre Rollandlemon cheese cake said:
BM=Bauke Mollema
JA= Julian Alaphilippe
JR= Joaquin Rodriguez
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Re: Re:
I said this months ago I cannot see anyone else winning (stupid I know, I know it's a possibility but I cannot see it)
Froome is too vulnerable and has not been super since TDF 2013. He will lose time in the first week.
Quintana is not yet on Fwoome and Berto's climbing level and will probably lose time in the first week.
Nibali I cannot see him pull it off again, he won't be so lucky this time.
That leaves Berto or a complete surprise
But I should say in 2011 I also "could not see" anyone but Berto winning
Gut feeling.... Contador will win.Escarabajo said:I am sure is not Contador.jmdirt said:Escarabajo said:
So your prediction is that you aren't sure?
I said this months ago I cannot see anyone else winning (stupid I know, I know it's a possibility but I cannot see it)
Froome is too vulnerable and has not been super since TDF 2013. He will lose time in the first week.
Quintana is not yet on Fwoome and Berto's climbing level and will probably lose time in the first week.
Nibali I cannot see him pull it off again, he won't be so lucky this time.
That leaves Berto or a complete surprise
But I should say in 2011 I also "could not see" anyone but Berto winning
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